Mockingjay (The Hunger Games, #3) Mockingjay discussion


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anyone find the last book disappointing? a little rushed?

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Bjorn-The Last Viking I wanted to strangle the author. I thought the last book was horrible...


Madeline i didn't think it was horrible but i defiantly liked the first two way way way way better


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yeah!!


Juliet worst of the trilogy, but still amazing. I didn't love Katniss all that much though, she became kind of whiny toward the end, where in all the other books she was amazingly awesome at kicking some serious butt


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Patti I also thought it was horrible. Too many unnecessary deaths! There was no need for Finnick to die or for Gale to suddenly become a jerk!


Juliet yeah, it's one thing if it adds something to the story, but they had to many major deaths instead of killing off only the minor characters.


Shivani Not dissapointing but too rushed!


Sonia Jarmula Lisa wrote: "I strongly disagree with most of the opinions on here. I loved Mockingjay and the reason I liked this series was because it wasn't your typical happy ending. How can it be? After all Katniss has be..."

I absolutely agree. After such a war that is essentially pitting a malignant, selfish rule against rebels who really don't have much hope, I think this was perfect. Yes, I was sad that Prim died, and Finnick and others, but not everyone survives a war, now do they? No, a lot of them end up dying, and the book stays true to that. Given the setting of the book with bombs everywhere and danger at every turn, someone is going to die, and you can bet it's going to be a favourite character. It's just what happens. And though I'm Team Peeta, I was sad that Gale and Katniss weren't as good friends in the end, and even if he didn't accidentally kill Prim, it would have been completely unreasonable if they remained friends. He was part of her past life, and being friends with him, seeing him even, would have brought back all the hurt from losing Prim, because even if it was proven that he had not killed Prim, there would always still be that niggling thought that he might have. The thought of Gale would become the thought of Prim.


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Jazz Patti wrote: "for Gale to suddenly become a jerk!"

Gale was always a jerk-character. Only we didn't get to see that until he was given a larger role. But, you could see how much of a jealous jerk he was in Catching Fire.


Sonia Jarmula Dani wrote: "Patti wrote: "for Gale to suddenly become a jerk!"

Gale was always a jerk-character. Only we didn't get to see that until he was given a larger role. But, you could see how much of a jealous jer..."


Agreed. I don't understand why people want him to be with Katniss, other than the fact that they were best friends.


-hainekhen- My favorite in the series is Catching Fire. The first book was OK, but the third was kind of disappointing. I felt it was kind of deus ex machina that the author has to kill Prim so that Gale and Katniss will fell apart. I mean, until the last moment Katniss can't pick one of them. It was sad that she had to end up with Peeta only because Gale was gone (it wasn't even explained what he's doing is district 2, just said it was something important) and that she can't stand that he's indirectly involve in killing Prim, and not because she had really chosen him over Gale.


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Sara I also thought the epilogue was such an afterthought. I wanted more books and more about the end. I ended up over on fanfiction. There's a TON of crap on there but there are some good versions of fourth books if you really look.


Mackenzie I kind of have to agree. I really loved the first book and half of the second but I felt like the whole series just went down hill from there. I did like the epilogue though.


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Tabi Macmillan i agree that the ending wasnt as good as the other books ( although i still love them!). i just dont think the series finished with a big bang like I was hoping... :/


Charlotte Waller The last book just did not hold my interest as much as the other 2.


message 66: by maddie (last edited Jun 28, 2011 05:30PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

maddie I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH EVERYONE WHO CHOSE GALE!!! okay let me explain. IT HAS TO BE LOVE!! in the last book, he would have stayed with katniss in district 12 at the end if he loved her and katniss would have been even more devestated since he wasnt if she loved him. peeta was with her throughtout everything in the arena and was there to help her with all the nightmares. they were alays truthfull with eachother....i know,' what about when she was lying that she loved him in their first hunger games together?' well, in my mind she never really was lying, she probably thought she was, but first she was doing it to save his and her life. and last SHE HAS ALWAYS LOVED HIM EVEN WHEN SHE HERSELF DIDNT KNOW IT!!!! :)


Sonia Jarmula maddie wrote: "I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH EVERYONE WHO CHOSE GALE!!! okay let me explain. IT HAS TO BE LOVE!! in the last book, he would have stayed with katniss in district 12 at the end if he loved her and katniss..."

COMPLETELY AGREE. And many other reasons why it's good she chose Peeta.


Sonia Jarmula maddie wrote: "I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH EVERYONE WHO CHOSE GALE!!! okay let me explain. IT HAS TO BE LOVE!! in the last book, he would have stayed with katniss in district 12 at the end if he loved her and katniss..."

COMPLETELY AGREE. And many other reasons why it's good she chose Peeta.


maddie one of them being that he actually showed he loved her more then once. i mean gale did love her, but usually only hsowed her in thatb friendly way. peeta when he got the chance showed her as much as he could.


maddie Sonia wrote: "Dani wrote: "Patti wrote: "for Gale to suddenly become a jerk!"

Gale was always a jerk-character. Only we didn't get to see that until he was given a larger role. But, you could see how much of a ..."


just because they were friends doesnt necessarily mean that love has to guaranteed to be with it. friends are friends. you always love them but iits just weird how people would just assume so


Juliet maddie wrote: "I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH EVERYONE WHO CHOSE GALE!!! okay let me explain. IT HAS TO BE LOVE!! in the last book, he would have stayed with katniss in district 12 at the end if he loved her and katniss..."
EXACTLY!


maddie how people dont see that.... it just doesnt make sense


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Alys I really wish people would stop trying to turn this in to a "Twilight" kind of thing. I hate Katniss almost as much as I hate Bella.
BUT,
Yes, I thought this book was just to hurried. By the end of it, I didn't even know who was dead or who wasn't. I had to read the part about Finnick about four times before I understood what happened to him. I thought it was really going somewhere but then she just got burned and blah blah blah. I read the first two books in a day each. It took me three days to read Mockingjay.
She should rewrite it. Not satisfactory.


Rachel I felt the last book was rushed, too. And I also felt like it wasn't written in the same style as the rest of the story was...I was disappointed.


Tegan It wasn't rushed, I think it was just made to read that way stylistically, especially towards the end.

As for the Gale/Peeta comments: the whole relationship issue I'm in two minds about. On one, it was necessary to create all the conflict regarding Peeta, on the other it was there to draw in a wider audience. We'll call this audience The Twilight Audience.

Gale just seemed a bit useless. I remember reading through the first book and thinking, "she'll get with Peeta in the end. She isn't interested in Gale romantically and he seems too friend-zoned." The whole relationship with Gale seemed stupid in my mind. Gale was really too much of a secondary character to be a serious romantic interest in my mind. He was just there as a way to make the Peeta issue more serious.


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TOTALLY! I mean, I felt like I had missed something because all my friends were all, Yay! Team Peeta!, and I was like, uh Gale is way hotter :)


message 77: by Lisa (last edited Jul 06, 2011 09:27AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Lisa I felt like it was very rushed. It seemed like they were running from the Capital one minute and the next minute it was over. I think if the author had even broken it into two books it would have been so much better. Heck, even just add another 100 or so pages, just to help explain and not rush through the story. So glad I am not the only one who didn't like the way it was rushed to an end.


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Lisa Alison wrote: "Well, not to completely put the book down (because the series is by far my favorite series!) but it seemed that Katniss was kind of...depressed the whole book. She just lost her spirit, I guess you..."

I completely agree with this entire comment. What we loved about Katniss is her determined spirit and perserverance. My husband continually complained through Mockingjay that Katniss had turned into a whiney pain in the butt. I have to agree.


message 79: by Jazz (new) - rated it 4 stars

Jazz Lisa wrote: "I completely agree with this entire comment. What we loved about Katniss is her determined spirit and perserverance. My husband continually complained through Mockingjay that Katniss had turned into a whiney pain in the butt. I have to agree."

A lot of people have been complaining about Katniss’s depression in Mockingjay, and personally, I don’t get why. It’s sort of like how a lot of people complain about Prim and many of the other deaths, saying they were unnecessary, when the truth is that it’s all realistic.

First and foremost, you have to remember that Katniss is only seventeen-years old. Yet, she has nearly an entire country of people to her to lead them in a war against an enemy who has oppressed them for almost 76 years, and is willing to keep it that way through any means necessary.

But before that, she volunteered in place of her younger sister to participate in a brutal fight to the death. And before she was even place, she had to put up with people she despised. While the experience was very eye-opening, allowing her to see that not all these people are as despicable as she assumed. Still, many of them are super excited to watch as she is killed. She came through it all, but only to find out that she was basically still in the games and that she must still watch her every move. Of course, right here she is only 16.

Afterwards, she ahs to go on the Victory Tour, another reminder of the nightmare she lived through six-month before. Over the past six-months, she hasn’t gotten a decent night’s sleep, because she has had varying degrees of nightmares. The life she knew was completely gone. Her best friends all but hates her, and her fellow tribute is not better. She learns that her final actions in the games have given birth to an uprising and that she has become the very face of that uprising. When in honesty, she just wants to live out the rest of her life in peace (however far the word goes in The Hunger Games universe). But she can’t, because she is once against forced into the arena. Only this time, things are even worse, because she is killing people who she has come to like on a certain level, and the arena itself a player in the games. Not only that, but she is being somewhat manipulated, being used as means a means to kick off a rebellion, but has no clue about it. She is knocked out and wakes up to discover that Peeta has been captured and that her home has been completely obliterated.

By the time we reached Katniss in Mockingjay, she is tired and completely strung out, physically and emotionally. In a short span of about 18 months, she’s witnessed several horrific deaths, a couple of them were loved ones, and she has been forced to kill herself. Her entire life has been capsized, and she’s even had one or two beliefs thrown in her face. And again, she is only seventeen-years old, just a kid. So, after going through all of that (and having more to look forward to in the very near future), when before your life consisted of hunting and going to school, falling into a mini depression is very understanable.

But, you have to commend her as well, because she came time to fight, she got the job done....mostly.


Juliet Lisa wrote: "Alison wrote: "Well, not to completely put the book down (because the series is by far my favorite series!) but it seemed that Katniss was kind of...depressed the whole book. She just lost her spir..."

I completely agree, she was so independent and confident the first two books, and then she just seemed to whine and complain a lot in the last one.


Nickolina I didn't think that the ending was diappointing but I do agree that it was rushed. It sorta just stopped and you sat there waiting for more. I think that a 4th book should be written to talk aboiut their life and maybe add in some other troubles and about what happens to Gale or Katniss's family. We did n't get to learn anything about that. Aside from all of this the book as a whole was pretty good; but was my least favorite!


Katie Lower thank you! golly it was rushed. i died when it was over. i mean common! that epilogue was like 1 paragraph and hasty. i was SOO dissapointed!


Madeline Nickolina wrote: "I didn't think that the ending was diappointing but I do agree that it was rushed. It sorta just stopped and you sat there waiting for more. I think that a 4th book should be written to talk aboi..."

i agree completely


message 84: by Janet (last edited Jul 12, 2011 10:07PM) (new) - rated it 1 star

Janet Jin Jeff wrote: "I think that those with military experience, particularly those who have deployed, can probably better relate with Katniss in this third book. She is essentially going through her THIRD Hunger Gam..."

This also happens to be young adult sci-fi. If I want realism I'll go read a biography.


Taylor Simons I love the whole series but I do have a feeling that the last book was a little rushed. One thing that really was kind of sad was that Katniss was depressed the whole time. I was kind of hoping for a happy Katniss where she didn't have to be forced to anything anymore. Now the ending of the book was a little shocked. It would have been a little nice to know what Gale was up too. I knew Katniss and Gale didn't have a future together. But Peeta and Katniss are great together. But I kind of wish that there was a fourth book because the last book seemed a bit rushed at the end and it really didn't explain what happen to Peeta and how he finally realize that Katniss was his love and all that other fun stuff. Either way I love the series.


message 86: by Ashlyn (last edited Jul 13, 2011 11:02AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ashlyn Wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Peeta is better for katniss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gale is just not for katniss because gale is already a fighter. She's needs a healer. She doesn't need him like she needs peeta who will balance her like fire and water. He's kind and caring but he can fight too, just like gale and he's been through soo much more then gale. Team peeta all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And I licked the book to.


Christina mockingjay was a little disappointing. katniss just was depressing. i liked peeta but i think she should have ended up with gale. she i guess felt obligated to marry peeta which disappointed me. this book was a bit of a let down.


Mutated Reviewer ...Yupp.

I mean, the beginning and the middle were good. I liked it. Its just the end that bothered me.
I thought it was pretty rushed, and I wish she would have done something different for the ending... D :


Taylor Simons Ashlyn wrote: "Wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Peeta is better for katniss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gale is just not for katniss because gale is already a fighter. She's needs a healer. She doesn't need him like she needs p..."


I agree. Peeta is just right for her. They needed each other and he could make things work. With Katniss being with Gale it was pretty much putting fire with fire. They argued a lot in Book 2 and 3. Peeta is a more stable and relax guy for Katniss than Gale will ever be. I mean Gale would be nice for Katniss but Gale is way to strong of a fighter and Peeta is always soothing and understands Katniss a little more than Gale would ever know.


Mutated Reviewer Taylor wrote: "Ashlyn wrote: "Wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Peeta is better for katniss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gale is just not for katniss because gale is already a fighter. She's needs a healer. She doesn't need him l..."


Yeeah But I thought Katniss wasn't happy with him... I dunno why its just how the book ended..


Danielle Dani wrote: "Lisa wrote: "I completely agree with this entire comment. What we loved about Katniss is her determined spirit and perserverance. My husband continually complained through Mockingjay that Katniss h..."

I totally agree. You suceeded in getting my thoughts on the book exactly. When I was reading I could see why Katniss was depressed and not her usual kick-butt self, but I could also see why people would say see was whiny and complained if the book was read without keeping in mind the effect the events in the last two books had on her.


✿Sandra I just finished this series. I read all three books in a row, and was definitely disappointed in the last book. I loved the first and second book, and I felt let down with the third book. The ending felt very rushed to me. If the author was trying to stick to a certain amount of pages, there was a lot of detail in the beginning of the book that could have been left out so more could go into the ending. I felt like there was a big build-up, and then the book just fizzled out in the last little bit and was over. I am glad I read the series, but I was expecting more from the last book.


Amanda I feel like the author abandoned the katniss character that we all loved, she was moody and self obsessed & seemed like a girl who needed to be saved rather than the one who saves everyone.
The end was beyond rushed, the author might as well have just skipped the little details & ended it with no one knows where anyone else is but katniss & peta have kids the end


✿Sandra Amanda wrote: "I feel like the author abandoned the katniss character that we all loved, she was moody and self obsessed & seemed like a girl who needed to be saved rather than the one who saves everyone.
The e..."


Your last sentence made me laugh but is so true!!


message 95: by Jazz (last edited Jul 16, 2011 10:02PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Jazz Amanda wrote: "I feel like the author abandoned the katniss character that we all loved, she was moody and self obsessed & seemed like a girl who needed to be saved rather than the one who saves everyone.
The e..."


It wasn't so much as Suzanne Collins abandoning Katniss's character as her staying true the overall story, which is survivial and the effects of war and all that jazz. I believe we nowadays call what Katniss was enduring throughtout Mockingjay PTSD. After all the traumatic events that happened to/was witnessed by Katniss leading up to Mockingjay, it very plausible, very realistic for her to be worn-out.

But, you are right about the ending being rushed. Though I did like the epilogue. Short, subtle, with tinge of hope. That's how I saw it.


Tammy Koeppen I agree with the first posting......totally feel the ending was rushed! So much detail and build in the first 2 books and then feeling like the author said "oops....gotta end!" The books were good, just a little disappointed in the last book.


message 97: by Jazz (last edited Jul 18, 2011 03:08PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Jazz Joellen wrote: "A little rushed???? The keyword I have for Mockingjay is POOF. Half of the characters and plot lines just get poofed into thin air. For example the two characters we meet in catching fire who wer..."

If you look in the discussion "Something about Prim.." you'll see a view on the arguement of Prim's death. But, Katniss volunteering for Prim wasn't the point of the trilogy. The point of the trilogy was survivial and what is it one is willing to do to survive, among other things. Prim's death is quite realistic and given the whole point of the story, it would have been mighty cheesy if Katniss had the typical happy ending.


Steve Chaput I enjoyed the book, but not as much as the first two in the trilogy. Not sure about rushed, but Collins did seem to do away with (in one fashion or another) a number of characters pretty quickly.


message 99: by Jazz (last edited Jul 20, 2011 05:43AM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Jazz JoEllen wrote: "Dani wrote: "Joellen wrote: "A little rushed???? The keyword I have for Mockingjay is POOF. Half of the characters and plot lines just get poofed into thin air. For example the two characters we ..."

It was more of Katniss moving on in life. She didn't forget about her sister or those that were lost in the war against Capitol. Remembering the book that they drew and put pictures of those that lost in at the end of the book. That's is an example of those prized possession in memory of a lost loved one, say for example, like a lock of hair a parent would keep of their child's hair after they've died. So, once her, Peeta, and Haymitch were able to get that out of their system, they were able to return to their normal selves and lives. But, of course, after going through what they went through they are still quite scarred.


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Lacey Amanda wrote: "I feel like the author abandoned the katniss character that we all loved, she was moody and self obsessed & seemed like a girl who needed to be saved rather than the one who saves everyone.
The e..."

Romance is just a subplot..and not a totally convincing one at that I think...The ending was ONLY SLIGHLY realistic, in that I think it was absolutely believable that she would want to withdraw from her world, but that was about it..the rest was boarderline insulting. Since Romance was a sublot, I think more should have been said about what happened after the rebellion.


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