So, er...some questions.

[Lindis]

That is true! : ) So I guess you could say that his life came full circle! Poor Voldy : )

[Meggi Lou]

moldy old sad voldy

[Lindis]

LOL Moldywort! : )

[Meggi Lou]

molywort. HMMM, sounds like mugwort, that stuff u put on stinging nettele

[Brittany]

about the time traveling thing, i do believe that all of the time-turners got destroyed in Order of Pheonix, just like a bunch of the prophecies got busted

[Brown]

Just found this bad boy aswell

My favorite actual plot hole (not just missing or gaping logic) is how the ownership of wands can change. According to the seventh book, Harry disarmed Malfoy. Malfoy was the true owner of the Elder Wand, and so Harry became the true owner.

If disarming was a suitable method for gaining ownership of a wand, then everyone in the DA would own each other's wands, and none of their wands should work as well for them anymore, because it's not actually theirs. It would WORK, but not well. If this is the case, then why do wands choose the wizard? Following that, I don't know what the individual wand materials do off-hand, but there is probably one that is especially skilled at the magic that involves disarming (just as some wands are better for Transfiguration, etcetetra) would automatically become the most valuable wands in the world, because they would be the best at getting other people's wand.

Really, if disarming is all it takes... What Scrimgeour said at the beginning of the sixth book, about how "the other side can do magic too," and how that was the main problem with Voldemort and his followers... It shouldn't really be a problem. Disarm them, summon your new wand, and voila. The other side can no longer do magic. (Though of course, this could work both ways. It would probably depend on who reacted faster.)

thoughts?

also i thought this was quite funny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWCYDa...

[Meeeriams]

VOLDEMORT DOESNT WANT TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD. HE WANTS PURE BLOOD WIZARDS TO RULE OVER MUDBLOODS. IN FACT HE DOESNT WANT MUDBLOODS IN EXISTENCE AT ALL. SECONDLY, VOLDEMORT WANTS PUREBLOOD WIZARDS ABOVE ALL HUMANS, MUGGLE PR MUDBLOOD. WHY?
WELL, ITS SIMPLY BECAUSE HE TOTALLY THINKS THEY ARE SUPERIOR. THIS SOUNDS LIKE HITLER. AND I SOUND LIKE IM SHOUTING, EVEN THO IM NOT. BASICALLY, THO, THIS IS A BOOK, AND QUITE A WELL LOVED BOOK, AND THEREFORE IT IS TO BE ENJOYED. SAVVY?

[Brown]

He never says he wants pureblood wizards to rule over mudbloods anywhere in the text.

try again.

also
"it is to be enjoyed"
so that excuses it from plot holes?
oh lawdy.

[Juliet]

Brown wrote: "Why did Voldermort want to take over the wizarding world again?
why couldn't they just, you know, give some wizards a gun? i doubt Voldermort and his buddies are faster than bullets.
Remember tha..."
Voldemort was not finished nor with his satisfied with his reign and decided he wanted to take over the world again. He's just that kind of guy.
Wizards don't use muggle objects. By asking why they didn't use guns could be the same as asking why they didn't use telephones or computers. And anyway, even if they did get guns, Voldemort and the Death Eaters would do the same thing.
It very clearly states in the sixth and possibly fifth book that the entire stock of time turners were destroyed after the battle at the Department of Mysteries.
You only find out Ron's birthday in the sixth book and Harry was kind of busy saving Ron's life to go shopping.Also, Hermione's birthday was never mentioned, probably because neither Ron nor Hermione are the main character and JK Rowling didn't think it was necessary to include the birthday of everyone in the entire series.

[Lindis]

Trueinsanity wrote: "VOLDEMORT DOESNT WANT TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD. HE WANTS PURE BLOOD WIZARDS TO RULE OVER MUDBLOODS. IN FACT HE DOESNT WANT MUDBLOODS IN EXISTENCE AT ALL. SECONDLY, VOLDEMORT WANTS PUREBLOOD WIZARDS A..."

Dang! Well, you just said that Voldemord didn't want to take over the world, and then you said that he wants pureblood wizards to be above all humans. Isn't that kinda the same thing. Voldemort would be the one to rule over all the pureblood wizards, therefore, he would be ruler of the world. Right?

[Lindis]

Well brown, you are right, he dosen't want purebloods to rule over mudbloods. He dosen't want mudbloods to exhist at all! Voldemort want's to rule over the wizarding world.

And yes, being purely for enjoyment does excuse plot holes. I still don't see any plot holes. Why are you so obsessed with these "plot holes" I still don't get it?

[Juliette]

Voldemort was insane, and he was afraid of death.

Guns? When you got wands?

They didnt use the time traveling thing because, as you may have forgot, it said that they destroyed ALL of them in the Ministry of Magic. This was in the 3rd or 5th book.

Well, I bet Harry was a bit preoccupied to get Hermione and Ron birthday presents, with Voldemort trying to take over the wizarding world and kill Harry.....

[Brown]

oh yeah thanks for reminding me, because you know, it's not like there was a massive gap of Voldermort killing people BEFORE they were destroyed.

[Katrina]

Mainly on the small things like presents authors don't put that in unless it is important, think about it how many times have you read a book and in the middle it says they went to the bathroom or wen't to sleep or ate lunch? Never unless it will help the story!

[Michele]

If disarming was a suitable method for gaining ownership of a wand, then everyone in the DA would own each other's wands, and none of their wands should work as well for them anymore, because it's not actually theirs.

I think the reason the wands did not switch allegiance during the DA has to do with intention. The spell being cast was not truly trying to disarm the other in the same intent as during "battle." You need to "believe" in the magic for it to work, right? So, the spells cast by the DA members were not strong enough to strip each other of their wands allegiance.

Somewhere way back in this discussion some people tried to brush off potential "plot holes" as being expected because it's "a children's book." Puhleeese. It seems that people making these comments have not read many children's books. I'm a school librarian and some kids' books are poorly written and others good--just like books for adults. Harry Potter is not one of the poorly written ones.

[Maryam]

I think Voldemort wanted to rule the world for the need to have the power and control over everyone. Since he hated muggles and mudbloods, he wants to make sure that only his royal servants are allowed to live.

Other reason might be because of his upbringing and how he had no choice in choosing to have a wizard father or even had the choice to be with him. It's all about being deprived of choices in the past that he wants to make sure he's the one making them this time round and for all the world.

[David]

Paula wrote: "Voldermort was insane, thus he wanted to rule the world. His history really pointed him in this direction. The wizard and muggle world treated him with neglect and abuse as a child. Mental illnes..."

They broke all the time turners in Order of the Phoenix.

[Lindis]

Michele wrote: "If disarming was a suitable method for gaining ownership of a wand, then everyone in the DA would own each other's wands, and none of their wands should work as well for them anymore, because it's ..."

That is exactly what I was going to say about the wands. They were practicing or learning in the DA. I'ts only in serious battle, that you can claim the wand of another by defeating them.

And Thanks Michelle for sticking up for Harry Potter with us. : )

[Lindis]

Brown wrote: "oh yeah thanks for reminding me, because you know, it's not like there was a massive gap of Voldermort killing people BEFORE they were destroyed."

Get over the time turner thing. They are a highly monitored and restricted item. You just can't use them at the drop of a hat. Didn't you learn anything from Back to the Future? Whenever you go back and change a major event in time, it messes up the future. Good witches and wizards don't play with time, it's too dangerous. Hermione just used one to attend a couple of extra classes. Like I've said before, it was hard for her to get one. She used it at the end to save Buckbeak and Sirius with Dumbledore's permission. He's very wise, and would know when it's safe to use it.

"Being me, has it's privileges." Albus Dumbledore

[Maggi]

i <3 Dumbledore!

[Jenifer]

Voledmort wanted to take over the wizarding world because of his childhood. He had a bad childhood and was angry at the wizards for all that had happened to him. He was also part of a wizarding family that was pure until his mother fell for his muggle father and had him. I think he was looking for some revenge for that whole scenario.

They don't use guns because, while it would have made everything easier hypothetically, we have no way of knowing how Voldemort and his Deatheaters would have reacted to guns. They may have known as spell or two that would slow bullets down or shoot them back at you.

The time traveling is both messy and complicated. It can cause major paradoxes if not done properly. In fact in book 3 Hermione states that she had to get special permission from the Ministry to do so and promise not to tell anyone about it. Besides, if it was easy to obtain and use for the side of good, the same could be of evil as well and then there would be no story at all because Voldemort would have gone back and killed either Lily and/or James before Harry was even born.

It is probably never mentioned that he got Hermione or Ron any gifts because it wasn't important to the storyline.

[Brown]

Lindis wrote: "Brown wrote: "oh yeah thanks for reminding me, because you know, it's not like there was a massive gap of Voldermort killing people BEFORE they were destroyed."

Get over the time turner thing. T..."
they're a highly monitored and restricted item?
monitored by the government.
who could then use to turn back time and stop Voldermort.
But no that's too difficult they don't wanna just play with time travel! Instead they give it to a teenager so she can work a little harder.

[Lindis]

Brown wrote: "Lindis wrote: "Brown wrote: "oh yeah thanks for reminding me, because you know, it's not like there was a massive gap of Voldermort killing people BEFORE they were destroyed."

Get over the time tu..."

Restricted by the Ministry of Magic, yes the Magical world's government.

(sigh) I don't see why you don't understand this. I think you should just let it go. If you don't get it, we can't help you anymore. Playing with time, for something as big as killing someone, even someone as evil as Voldemort, is not allowed.

And yes, they gave one to a teenager so she could work harder. That's a small thing. If she had used it for evil, or misused it, she would have been sent to Azkaban. (the wizard's prison, incase you didn't know) And I wouldn't doubt it if they would have sent McGonagall there too, since she's the one that let Hermione use it. They didn't just give it to her, "Here you go kid, have fun!" There were strict rules she needed to follow. She had to keep it secret. Harry didn't know about it unitl the end of that year (three) and I don't think Ron really ever knew what was going on! : )

Several people have tried to explain it to you.

[Summer]

At this point, I think this is turning into argument for argument's sake. The comments are more like attacks and nothing is really getting solved at all, is it? Every time one question is answered, another is brought up. Right now, what's really the point?

[Maggi]

u make a good point :)

[Mr.]

ATAK

[Lindis]

Daisy wrote: "At this point, I think this is turning into argument for argument's sake. The comments are more like attacks and nothing is really getting solved at all, is it? Every time one question is answered,..."

I haven't been attacking. If it sounds like I have been, I'm sorry and I don't mean to. I just don't understand Brown, he asks the same questions over and over again and he dosen't except anyone's answers. Maybe he's just trying to get us Potter Geeks all wound up. He doesn't make me angry, just frustrated. I like to answer questions about Harry Potter! : )

[EDantes]

Wow. Even on Goodreads, Harry Potter moves the meter like none other.

[Maggi]

he truly does, my friend.

[Michele]

I really don't see why this Time Turner thing is relevant at all. I agree with everyone's comments that they didn't use the Time Turners because they were just too difficult, but I really think there is a bigger question regarding this Time Turner question: Even if "someone" could go back in time to "take care of" Voldy before he got big and bad, what precisely would anyone imagine someone is going to do to him? Kill him? That is not going to work for any of our hero wizards. Harry is only able to defeat Voldy through a weird confluence of events. That couldn't happen by going back in time....