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What are U reading these days? (PART SEVEN) (2011) (ONGOING THREAD for 2011)
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Mar 25, 2011 06:21AM
A very good -and cautionary-- treatment of the idea of wiring access to the Internet directly into people's brains, and the horrific Pandora's box that would open up, is provided by David St. John in Sisters of Glass. I don't doubt for one minute that modern technology can and will come up with a technique for doing exactly that --or that the results will be any different from what's depicted there. Personally, when they do announce that "wonderful breakthrough," as I'm sure the media flacks will call it, they'd better not count on me as a customer; I'd about as soon cut off my arm as have Internet access implanted in my brain!
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Werner, have you read that discussion between Eisler & Konrath, yet? If not, you should. There's a lot of links in the article to others of theirs on the whole self-publishing thing. I think you'd find it of interest.------
As far as new technology goes, I find myself becoming more reactionary about it & have to keep reminding myself to keep an open mind. Some of it just scares & angers me, though. Smart phones, for instance. They can be very useful, cool & fun, but they can also ruin your life by breaking down the walls between work & home. Many people are expected to check emails & take business calls while on vacation now. That defeats the whole idea of a vacation for me.
I was on 24/7 call for over 10 years. It's wearing. The only break I ever got was when I took a vacation. Only one time in all those years did I take 2 weeks of vacation & then, only because the owner of the company went to bat for me & insisted that I do so. She had just done it a year or two before & said it was incredible. She was right. When you work long, stressful hours, the first week is needed just to unwind & get fully into the idea of life without work. The second week was incredibly relaxing, removing stress that I hadn't realized I was carrying.
Many folks are constantly connected now & the connections are just getting better & more pervasive. I think stress levels are soaring & people seem scatter-brained. They don't seem to think as deeply any more, but jump from one headline to the next, simply reacting because time is lacking with a glut of information.
Of course, there are a lot of perks that come out of it & that's what we hear about the most. I find I can live without most of them. My mobile devices are very limited. I have just a cell phone with all Internet & texting services turned off & I do NOT carry it around the farm. I use a company laptop when I must have one, otherwise use the desktops that are at home & work. That limits communications to when I want to communicate. I think that's important. I can actually think without distractions.
I don't think the technology is as far away as we think. I read an few articles about thought-controlled prosthetics last summer, it was going through human trials. Using implantable micro-arrays used to record brain signals and stimulate the brain, it's real and it's here. Once that tech is perfected, it's not much of jump to internet wired brains. Imagine what hackers could do then. It'd be a scifi nightmare turned reality. I shudder to think of it.
Jim, I heartily agree with your thoughts on the invasiveness of technology! I don't own a cell phone and don't want to; Barb got one about a year or two ago, but only so our daughter could contact us away from home in case of emergency --she doesn't use it for casual calls or texting. And having to check my work e-mail account on vacation can be a nuisance; I usually have limited Internet access away from home, but if I don't take time (and spend money) to check it, it piles up to unmanageable proportions by the time I get back. :-(No, I haven't had a chance to read the article yet, though I plan to. (I don't have a functioning home computer right now; ours is in the shop for some maintenance. I came in to the office here on my day off to use this computer --it's official; despite my own reactionary tendencies, I'm a Goodreads addict.) I have a few thoughts off the top of my head, as an author and a reader, though. Personally, I don't look for e-books to come to dominate the book market (though they might), or for self-publishing to become the new norm.
Not everybody likes to read long blocs of text electronically (I don't, for instance). College students are generally thought to be the harbinger of the wired future; but it's interesting that here at BC, though the library offers thousands of e-books through our NetLibrary database, the students almost universally don't like them, and invariably opt for borrowing a print copy by interlibrary loan if they have that choice. My novel Lifeblood was always available in both print and electronic formats, both when Silver Lake had it and when I self-published it on Lulu, but the print format far outsold the e-books in both cases. There's also the cost factor: reading is a pleasure that can be enjoyed for free through libraries, or for very little money if you buy used books, and even new ones are cheap compared to the hardware required for technology like Kindle. With e-readers, that benefit is completely lost; and I'd guess that the economic trends of this century, as the working class is more and more pushed down into poverty and the affluent increasingly find themselves no longer affluent, won't be a kind environment for these technologies.
Publishers, IMO, are still needed and valuable as gatekeepers, vetters of quality for books. For every self-published e-book that made it big, there are thousands that didn't, because most self-published books in either format are garbage, and readers know it. They're written by people who have no clue what storytelling, characterization, or even grammar and syntax, are all about, but who think they've become the next Hemingway because they can sit down to a keyboard and regurgitrate their drivel to the whole world. That's where publishers come in; they can give a guarantee of quality, and they can perform editing services that new writers often desperately need. Of course, that's presupposing that publishers actually do their job decently, which Big Publishing increasingly doesn't! So I think the future does belong to small presses who actually care about book quality, and who can use POD technology (which I think is revolutionary, in a good way!) and e-books effectively. (E-books are a great way to introduce books that will later be in print form, and there will always be some readers who will prefer them.) And, as you said, the advertising and marketing role of a publisher is invaluable, to keep a book from being drowned in the sea of what's now available. (From an author's standpoint, that's another advantage to print books, which can show up in the necessarily much more limited physical collections of a bookstore and library, and actually be browsed by the readers who might like them.)
Another revolutionary effect of e-publishing, though, that no one I know of has suggested, might be in the realm of short-story publishing. A lot of the mass market for the latter had been destroyed by the late 60s, with the demise of general circulation magazines, and never recreated until now. But individual short stories can now be published and marketed directly to the reader as e-stories, and they don't suffer the disadvantages that longer e-texts do; even if you don't like to read online, at sites like Smashwords, it's possible to run print copies of stories you purchase, and they're no more expensive to copy or hard to store than printed articles. For instance, Trestle Press, which is going to reprint Lifeblood soon --first as an e-book, and then in a print version-- has also accepted my short vampire story "The Gift," as an e-story, and may actually have it up today on Amazon (I haven't checked yet). Eventually, this development, as it takes hold and becomes more known, might actually revitalize the dying short fiction tradition!
Okay, didn't mean to write (another) book. I'll shut up now. :-)
Werner, I agree with you about publisher's vetting books. I mentioned to someone else that a free book on Baen or Tor warrants a look, but one on Smashswords quite often doesn't.I think we'll see etext become the norm, though. Eisler or Konrath compared it to candles & electric lighting. An apt comparison, IMO. Devices for reading are getting less expensive all the time & epaper is just as good as real paper, IMO. The pages don't turn fast enough & it's not as easy to leaf through, but that's minor & will be fixed, IMO. There are also multifunction devices that can read ebooks & they are pervasive. Don't forget the instant gratification factor inherent in ebooks. That's huge. It's human nature to want what we want when we want & when is NOW!
I agree on the short stories - all of it. I've read several like that now. It would be nice to see that market open up again. Unfortunately, most Internet based short story sites haven't managed to keep my attention. They either send me so much info that I get rid of them or they don't send me any & I forget about them. A monthly magazine to my ereader might be just the ticket, though.
The story of the pulps demise is appropriate to repeat. They were printed by one company that had printing houses at the big railroad hubs. Magazines would send out their monthly content, the printing houses would print them & off they'd go along the rail lines, all over the country, very inexpensively & quickly.
In the 60's, the trains were starting to strain as Interstate trucking became a cheaper, faster alternative to the entrenched monopoly. The trains didn't react to the changing market correctly & raised rates, so the printing company sold out. The publisher that bought them out ran them for a while longer & then decided they weren't economically feasible & shut them all down. Pulp magazines pretty much died that day. At least, that's the way I heard it told.
Anyway, that's kind of appropriate. The train companies' loss to trucking due to the Interstates is similar to what is happening with the publishers. Big, entrenched companies with new roads opening around them that are making their business model obsolete.
Jim, good comments, as usual! That part about the role of rail transportation in the demise of the pulps is fascinating; I didn't know anything about that history. (I did know that popular tastes were changing in the postwar period, as rising affluence made people less comfortable with the cheap-quality look of the pulps, and the rise of paperback books took away some of their market. But I can see where that debacle with the railroad rates would have been the coup de grace in the head.)Interestingly, though, genre fiction magazines did manage to survive, even though the pulps didn't; the latter were just replaced by more glossy publications like Anthony Boucher's Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction, which had already supplanted Campbell's Astounding Stories as the leading SF publication by the end of the 50s, and is still going strong. That's why quality accessible, plotted short fiction still gets written in the "genre" categories --just not in general fiction, where it used to thrive!
Good point on the genre magazines. They're a different class than the pulps were, but similar in a lot of ways.I think less mainstream genres & subjects will have more availability with ebooks, too. A big publisher might be wary of publishing a book that is only of interest to a tiny percentage of the population in paper, but could likely make a tidy profit with ebooks & POD.
Werner wrote: "... Publishers, IMO, are still needed and valuable as gatekeepers, vetters of quality for books. For every self-published e-book that made it big, there are thousands that didn't, because most self-published books in either format are garbage, and readers know it. They're written by people who have no clue what storytelling, characterization, or even grammar and syntax, are all about, but who think they've become the next Hemingway because they can sit down to a keyboard and regurgitrate their drivel to the whole world. That's where publishers come in; they can give a guarantee of quality, and they can perform editing services that new writers often desperately need. Of course, that's presupposing that publishers actually do their job decently, which Big Publishing increasingly doesn't! So I think the future does belong to small presses who actually care about book quality, and who can use POD technology (which I think is revolutionary, in a good way!) and e-books effectively. ..."I think Werner has made some good points.
Nina has asked me to post the following link which may be of interest to readers:http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/databl...
A similar article can be found at:
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firs...
At the above link, it says:
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HEADLINE: "A “Consensus Cloud” of Novels Everyone Should Read"
Wednesday, March 16, 2011 by Joe Carter
"Do Top 100 Books polls and charts agree on a set of classics? To find out, David McCandless scraped the results of more than a dozen notable book polls, readers surveys, and top 100 lists. He then used a simple frequency analysis on the gathered titles to create a ‘consensus cloud’ visualisation of the most mentioned books titles across the polls.
"Click on the image below to see the results."
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See the "cloud" image at the links above.
About the "cloud" image referred to above, when I saw the book, One Hundred Years of Solitude, loom large in that cloud, I lost all respect for what the cloud had to say. See my review of the book (and also the comments) at the link below: http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/...
Many of the readers who made comments at the links above (in my Message #309) seem to feel the way I do.
That's a pretty cool compilation, Joy. I went to the data he based it onhttps://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...
& found that one column was "Goodreads.com - Books that everyone should read once (Top 100)". I think it's pretty cool that GR made his data.
I'll agree with you about some of those classics. I liked your review of "100 Years of Solitude". That's sort of character naming has me tossing books, too. Putting Twilight & the DaVinci Code on the list kind of makes me gag. I've read both & wouldn't consider them 'must reads' by any stretch of the imagination. If I had a shelf called 'currently popular crap', they'd be on it.
I've read quite a few of the books on that list, but have no desire to read others. I liked Atlas Shrugged better than The Fountainhead. I read Ada, or Ardor: A Family Chronicle & had no desire to read Lolita. I think if you've read one book by that sort of author, you can probably scratch others off the list. You've got the idea of what they're saying & their style. Reading a good synopsis will fill you in on the rest. Life is too short & some of those books are punishing, IMO.
Moby-Dick or, The Whale is a great story if it is condensed, but the center 1/3 was boring & pretty horrible, as I recall. It was a long, dragging, blow-by-blow account of butchering a whale. I'm not sure it would get published in today's market because of that. I believe some writer & editor actually said that, which is what got me to thinking about it.
I think it's neat that so many SF books made it on the list; 1984, Stranger in a Strange Land, Dune, A Clockwork Orange & A Brave New World, to name some. They truly are classics, although 'Stranger' hasn't aged all that well according to a recent group read.
Jim, I didn't look that close at the cloud, but you've done a good critique. The more familiar I get with books, the less I trust the polls, the lists, and the prizes. In the end, we all have to go with what pleases us. As Nina said somewhere, we all bring our own backgrounds with us, reading and otherwise. Our levels of appreciation depends largely on those backgrounds.Fortunately, nowadays, with the Internet, we have lots of help in searching for books which we'll enjoy. We also have more of a chance to develop our reading tastes.
The bottom line is: "Let the buyer beware!" :)
PS-Nina's exact words of wisdom were:"We all bring our own background to our reading likes and dislikes."*
I liked that. It explains so much.
*See Message #31 at:
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/4...
From my review of Major Pettigrew's Last Stand (2010) by Helen Simonson:----------------------------------------------
I finished reading this book today. Major Pettigrew, an Englishman, is a memorable character with a droll, dry sense of humor. At times I laughed out loud at the things he said. In this story he is drawn to Mrs. Ali, a Pakistani shopkeeper, born in the UK. She is memorable too. They have both lost their spouses and are widower and widow. The problem is the cultural divide.
The plot moves slowly but the good writing kept me interested. The story has both humor and poignancy. There are funny moments and suspenseful moments. At times I felt there was too much detail in the descriptions, but most of the time I stayed interested. Helen Simonson writes with wisdom, wit, and sophistication. This is her first novel. I'm giving it 4 stars.
I read a short story by Werner called, "The Gift" available here:http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/...
One of the things that's so cool about ebooks is that size doesn't matter. An author can write their story without any physical publishing constraints. It used to be that writers had to fit a story to a certain number of words, often to the detriment of the story. They'd chop out too much or pad them out.
Glory Road by Robert A. Heinlein is one example. I loved the first 2/3 of the book. The last 1/3 seemed to be tacked on & served little purpose. I'm not sure that was done to make it a full novel, but it certainly wasn't worth it, IMO. While I've re-read the book several times, I rarely read the last part.
Jim, that's a good point about size not mattering with ebooks.Thanks for the link to Werner's short story. I'm interested in reading it, having enjoyed his book, Lifeblood.
PS-I hope this direct link (to a sample of Werner's short story) works:http://www.smashwords.com/extreader/r...
(It works for me.)
Jim and Joy, thanks for your interest! And Joy, I've just confirmed that the above link works.Like Lifeblood, "The Gift" is vampire fiction, but it doesn't share the same setting or characters nor have any other plot similarity to the novel; and it's somewhat grittier in tone. Those who liked the book might not like the story (but some might!).
Werner, I started reading your short story, _The Gift_ at Smashwords today. Your writing has a certain clarity which provides the reader with crisp, vivid pictures. Even in the first few pages you've created a delicious mood of suspense. I don't usually read vampire stories, but knowing your style I think I will like this one. I feel safe with you. (g)
Thanks, Joy; you're sweet (and you know how to win a writer's heart!). I keep forgetting to post the link to the Goodreads record for the story (especially for the benefit of readers who might not know otherwise that it has one); so here it is, finally: The Gift. Now readers who want to do so can rate or review it (especially if you liked it! :-) ).
Werner, I didn't realize that Goodreads carried short stories. Thanks for telling us that Goodreads has it. I enjoyed your digital short story and will put it on my "read" shelf with a 5 star review.PS-Here my review:
http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/...
Thanks, Joy! (Writers are always delighted to hear that someone liked something they wrote; it makes the effort worthwhile.)Goodreads only has records for short stories if they're marketed and sold as a unit, a "book" in print or electronic form. Before the days of e-publishing, there weren't many sold that way; but now, Goodreads actually lists quite a few, both newer stories originally published that way, and older ones that are in the public domain. I'm thinking that's likely to become a trend.
Werner, I notice that one has to read the review to find out it's a short story. Shouldn't there be some something in the heading which indicates that something is a short story and not a full length book?It would be nice if GR had a short story section.
PS-I've added a short story shelf to my My Books section.
Joy, good question! Goodreads' book descriptions template has various kinds of format choices, but they don't have one for short stories, nor any other way that I know of designating them as such in the headings. (That might be a point to raise in the Goodreads Feedback group.) The description on this one does identify it as a "digital short story," though. I'd say any short story description should make that clear, but I don't know if all of them do.
True, Werner, but that means I would have to read every word of every 
I've added Werner's novel and short story to my "to read" list. Still waiting for the day when I'll return to reading.
Hi Linda! How nice to hear from you!Glad you're still keeping in touch!
I've got The Gift on my To Read List.Hi Linda!
Linda and Jackie, thanks for your interest! Hope you like the story.Joy, by "description" (in message 324) I didn't mean the descriptions in people's individual reviews; I meant the descriptive matter that comes with most Goodreads book entries (along with data like author, date, publisher, number of pages, etc.), when you click on the link for the book itself. Short stories should be identified as such there (so that you don't have to hunt through a bunch of individual reviews to get that information!). But again, I don't know whether all of them actually ARE identified there.
Werner, I mistyped. I should have used the word "descriptions" instead of the word "reviews" in my message #325. I'll go back and fix it.Yes, but case in point, your short story is identified as a short story in the GR description, but that can be missed by a reader in a hurry. IMO, it should be noted in a banner at the top.
Thanks for the correction, Joy. That's a good suggestion, and I'll try to bring it up in the Goodreads Feedback group soon. (I need to raise another issue there anyway, but I've been holding off until I get my home computer back and can get online oftener. :-) )
Werner, wouldn't that issue be a suggestion for the GR Librarians Group instead?
Jim wrote in Message #231: "Two of my friends read this free, very short story & gave it glowing reviews. I highly suggest it to everyone. It's pretty incredible how much was packed into this short story about kids & peer pressure. Tears your heart right out.Free from Tor at http://www.tor.com/stories/2010/11/po... "
Jim, I read the sad story (entitled "Ponies") and then searched for a quotation which I thought came close to the meaning of the story. I came up with the following quote:
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"One day, my teacher said to me, ‘Your very trying to change yourself is actually taking you away from what you are.’ " -Richard Miller
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Joy, good question above (I belong to both groups). Goodreads librarians work with maintaining the database, within the parameters of the template that the Goodreads management has set up: adding missing information, eliminating duplicate entries, correcting errors, etc. (For instance, as a Goodreads librarian, I could add the fact that a "book" is really a short story to the description, if it didn't mention that.) But changing the template itself, such as adding a blank at the top. along with the other constant data fields, for identifying short stories as such, is something only the Goodreads management can do; so that would be an issue to raise in the Feedback group.
Werner, thanks for explaining the difference between the Feedback group and the Librarian's group. Now I understand. I'm in awe of all the data there is to control and manage at a website like Goodreads. It's mind-boggling.
Yesterday we picked up from our library the audio version of:Spencer Quinn's Dog on It (A Chet and Bernie Mystery #1).
I started listening to it last night. I'm finding it very enjoyable. I put in a library request for the hard copy for Eddie to read.
Jim, thank you for the recommendation!
I originally discovered it while reading your review of another "Chet and Bernie" mystery by Spencer Quinn.
Jim's review: http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/...
See my comments there as well.
PS-I just discovered that Spencer Quinn is aka as Peter Abrahams. See his GR page here:
http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/...
I hadn't realized Spencer Quinn was a pseudonym, Joy. Thanks for letting me know. He really has Chet, the dog, down pat, IMO. Keeps me chuckling. Chet is an excellent narrator. He tells it as he sees it, no punches pulled - he just doesn't always get it - which can make for a good joke. His evaluations of whether a person is good or bad are often dependent on whether they pet him or share food, for instance.
Yes, Jim, Chet likes to be petted..."thump thump". :) His "smell" reports are very interesting. :)BTW, it seems that Spencer Quinn (pseudonym) writes serious mysteries as Peter Abrahams. For example, there are Oblivion and Lights Out, which I see shelved variously as mystery, suspense, and/or thriller. Abrahams' GR bio says that Lights Out, was nominated for an Edgar* best novel award. It says that he "also writes the best-selling Echo Falls series for younger readers".
* PS - "The Edgar Allan Poe Awards (popularly called the Edgars), named after Edgar Allan Poe, are presented every year by the Mystery Writers of America."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_award
In the second book, I recall Chet was sometimes startled by the sudden breeze - his tail wagging. In both, he sometimes suddenly realizes that the barking is his. Funny.
Jim, the dog's "tail breeze" is in the first book too. And sometimes the dog doesn't realize he's growling.The dog, Chet, narrates the story but sometimes on the audio, when Chet quotes his master, Bernie, the voices are hard to tell apart because same man is doing the reading. I think that somehow the reader should have affected differences in the two voices. But if you pay strict attention the words are explanatory enough.
Joy, the reader doing different voices can be good or bad for me. If they're monotone, it bores me, but some of the attempts at other voices are just annoying. I know I love the way Jim Dale read the Harry Potter books, but others found him annoying. I just finished the first Sookie book in audio, Dead until Dark (Sookie Stackhouse / Southern Vampire Series #1). Johanna Parker is the narrator. Her man voice was a bit annoying at first, but I got over it because she captures the women's voices so perfectly.
The best narration/reading I've ever heard on an audio was the voice of Elizabeth McGovern reading Margaret Atwood's Alias Grace. She made it so dramatic and she has a beautiful voice.The voice on the audio I have of Dog on It is that of Jim Frangione.
That's what I listened to, as well. I think Frangione did a fine job. Since the book is told entirely from Chet's POV, I kind of liked him not doing voices. I thought it worked better & kept me more in touch with Chet. It is important to remember that the narrator is a dog, after all.One thing I notice about audio books far more than reading is the "I said, he said, she said" thing in a conversation between 2 people. I can skip that easily on a page, the paragraph breaks & quotes let me know when a speaker changes. (One reason I don't like some writers who jam conversations together in a paragraph.) In audio books, those 'saids' can get annoying, especially if the narrator is using different voices. It really interrupts the flow. That's a bit of abridgment I wouldn't mind.
Jim, so far I haven't been bothered by the "he saids". Frangione handles them well, going over them quickly in a lowered tone of voice.As I listen to audios it occurs to me that, before the days of TV, our parents spent quite a bit of time listening to radio dramatizations. I remember those days, sitting around the radio.
An advantage to listening to books is that we can do other things at the same time. We can get things done around the house. Of course drivers can "read" a lot a books on the way to work. Another thing I think about is how many people there must be nowadays who earn money reading books for the audio CD industry.
I've been following topics at the GR Audiobooks group. They have a topic called "Annoying Narrators" at: http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/4...
Reminds me of a VERY annoying narrator whom I mentioned in my review of Leap of Faith: Memoirs of an Unexpected Life. I said:
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"I am listening to the audio version of this book, _Leap of Faith_. It's being narrated by Suzanne Toren whose delivery I cannot stand. Queen Noor should have recorded the book herself. Queen Noor speaks in the introduction and has a beautiful voice and delivery. She sounds gentle and serene. To me, Toren sounds haughty, pompous, and pretentious. Queen Noor, on the other hand sounds very appealing and likable."
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Re one of the comments above, having read a lot of fiction out loud over the years, I'd have to say that it's really hard for a reader of one gender to do the voices of characters of the other gender very well, because of the differences in pitch. I try to soften my voice when reading dialogue by women characters; but Barb says that all the female characters in books I've read to her have had deeper voices than females generally do. :-) (I told her my theory is that it's something in the water they're drinking....)
LOL - Werner, that's a perfect theory and a great retort. :)
Thanks, Joy! (Barb actually likes the way I do voices, so I'm not bothered by some good-natured ribbing. :-) )
Werner, are you ever tempted to record audio books professionally?I once knew a lady on a newsgroup who was a volunteer as a reader of books for the blind.
I was actually thinking of the Sookie book I just listened to when I made the 'said' comment, Joy. I can't say it bothered me in the Chet book. Maybe it is a combination of 'I said' & the voice staging that makes it feel redundant or it could be the tone/speed/volume. I don't know. I'll try to listen closer in the future.Werner, you're dead on with the voices of the opposite gender.
Libervox is all volunteer audio recordings & are free. I've listened to a couple, but most I just can't stand after some time. The untrained voices get very annoying. It really is an art.
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