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Reminder about series creation
Hi fellow librarians,I'm rather new at creating series. I've made a typical mistake but corrected it. Still I'm facing a problem creating a series and I have an idea why that may be. I created this series: Aus Wald und Flur with a book by Walter Nöldner as book 1. Now I want to add this book Aus Wald und Flur - Tiere unserer Heimat to the series as book 3 but it's not working. Book 3 has a different author (Ludwig Zukowsky) - could that be the reason why? Thanks for any help!!
Lioba
Just tried it, Lioba, it works for me without problem.
Gerd wrote: "Just tried it, Lioba, it works for me without problem."Thanks a lot :)!
Lioba wrote: "Hi fellow librarians,I'm rather new at creating series. I've made a typical mistake but corrected it. Still I'm facing a problem creating a series and I have an idea why that may be. I created ..."
I know this one's already been fixed, but I thought I would mention that if you're having a problem finding a book through the add books on a series, you can enter the ISBN to get a particular book to show up.
HiI started to add my Wilbur Smith books and this book http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12... is part of the Ballantyne series. Officially the series is called The Ballantyne Novels see http://www.wilbursmithbooks.com/novel...
My question is; is it worth changing the name of the series and if so is it possible?
tagesmann wrote: "HiI started to add my Wilbur Smith books and this book http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12... is part of the Ballantyne series. Officially the series is called The Ballantyne ..."
It looks like someone saw your post and changed it to The Ballantyne Novels. I think it's always best to have the most accurate information possible, so updating series titles to reflect their official names is never a bad idea!
In the future you can edit the properties of a series by clicking the "edit" link under the series description.
I would like to set up a series for the John Putnam Thatcher Mysteries by Emma Lathen. A few of the books have the series name in the form "Title: A John Putnam Thatcher Mystery", but most don't even have that, and none has a series number. I'm wondering what's the best way to proceed. Should I put the series name and number in all the titles (and all the editions), then go back and set up the series as described at the top of this thread? Or does the series name even have to be in the titles?
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It does not have to -- once you create the series, it will show up on all book pages. However, if you want the search to find it, and for it to show up on lists and such, then it would need to be there.
Vicki wrote: "Or does the series name even have to be in the titles?"rivka wrote: "It does not have to -- once you create the series, it will show up on all book pages. However, if you want the search to find it, and for it to show up on lists and such, then it would need to be there."
I don't know if this has been discussed along with all the older banter about how the "series" info works, but here's my thought on this (until the powers that be manage to include series names in the search capabilities):
It seems to me that IF a series exists or is created for a particular book, then only one book in the series should NEED series info contained in the title field - perhaps the first book in a numbered series, or the most popular book of an unnumbered series. Once a series is created and any books are added to it, then the grey, clickable, series info appears in the displayed title of each and every book in the series. A note not to remove series info from the title field on that book that marks it as a "series search key" SHOULD keep librarians from deleting the series info from the title.
So, if someone was looking for books in a series but didn't know the individual titles in the series, he/she could search for the series, it would find the book in the series; once that book page was displayed, one click on the series name would display all the books included in that particular series.
I dunno... just seems it would be much easier (at this stage) to handle things in this manner.
If GR did adopt this, then GR's programmers could develop a program that would search for and identify the books contained in any series, sort and flag one in each series (first or most popular) as the series key, and then "automagically" parse out and remove redundant series info contained in the title field(s) of the non-key books, saving a few bytes of storage space. If a book has not been added to a series, but has series info in its title field, that info will remain in place since the program should look only at books that are in GR's defined series list. This program could then be executed periodically (maybe once a week? month?) to keep stray series stuff from showing up in the title fields of books that are included in a series.
*shrug* Sorry... just my old computer programmer logic circuits kicking in and saying that a little background programming magic can make things appear so much simpler in the foreground of the average user/librarian...
Sorry I don't agree. Search is not the only series issue at this time. The new series field doesn't show on all lists yet. I would much rather the developers work on that first. There is even a bug in the shelf displays that only shows the new series field if the title includes parenthesis.
And what if a translation of a series exists, should those books be attached to the original series, or gathered in a separate one?
Judyta wrote: "And what if a translation of a series exists, should those books be attached to the original series, or gathered in a separate one?"Translations of books should be combined with those books as other editions. Any other books can be added to the series without the primary work box checked. You can't create a series for a particular translation, because the most popular edition is the one that will show.
Oh, right, of course - once a translation of a book is combined, it will be automatically attached to the series, is that so? Thanks :-)
Judyta wrote: "Oh, right, of course - once a translation of a book is combined, it will be automatically attached to the series, is that so? Thanks :-)"Yes. You're welcome
Ok, the page tells me not to add a boxed set as a primary work, How do I add a collection-book as a non-primary work?
After you've added the boxed set to the series, un-check the box to the right that says "primary work".
Sandra wrote: "Nile daughter, I got the arrows to arrange them. You need to drag and drop NOT click."I can not seem to get drag and drop to work on the arrows. My selection simply expands.
Hi there guys,the most popular edition is shown while adding books to series, creates a lot of trouble.
for instance take Maid Sama! series
: http://www.goodreads.com/series/53312...
*some of the books are added and edited by me
Here book (1 to 4) and (9 to 11) are English Edition as they should be because they come under Maid Sama! series
but,
book (5-8) are Indonesian edition which belongs to "My Sweet Kaicho" series (only series title is different)
now As the Maid Sama is English Series i wanted to add English edition of book (5-8) but i simply couldn't
is there any way around it?
Hi Soul. The rule for series is that something can only be a series if it counts for all editions of a book.So if the Indonesian books belong to the same series that has only a different name, you have to edit the description of the series and write a note there how the series is called in Indonesian.
I know that the series page can look dirty when the editions are from different languages, but alas, these are the rules.
hey Jan,yeah i do get what u r saying. but still don't u think there should have been some provision as to What is the primary edition and what r the other edition of primary edition.
or for now, More control over the series one is creating.
Thanks though. ^ ^
Hi. I have a problem with a series I created. The numeration (#2;3 etc.) is correct, but the book order is completely wrong.http://www.goodreads.com/series/77515
As you can see, number 14 is first and then comes number four. I would like to reorder the books and it states "drag and drop", but this just doesn't work. I don't know if I'm just too stupid, but everytime I try to drag book one to the top, it doesn't budge.
Can you help me?
Thank you!
Caro, I've reordered them; the drag and drop was working for me. Maybe there's a problem with your browser?(Also, it looks like book 21 is missing. I took a look but couldn't find it in search.)
Thanks, Cait! Book 21 was in the database already, but I forgot to add it to the series. I added it now.I still can't drag anything, though. I don't know if my browser's the problem because everything else works just fine.
Are you "grabbing" the book by the little green up/down arrows at the far left of the row?
Yes, that's exactly what I have been doing but somehow the green button doesn't react. It's strange, really.
Caro wrote: "Yes, that's exactly what I have been doing but somehow the green button doesn't react. It's strange, really."I found the same problem when using Internet Explorer just over the last two weeks or so; the problem is resolved in Chrome or Firefox. Are you using IE?
Oh, so that's the problem. Thank you! I'll just use Firefox from now on :)
This thread seems to be muchly about duplicate series, so I think my query fits here well. I was at the author page of Valerie Tripp (creating Hopscotch Hill School series) and noticed that there are two series for American Girl Molly: http://www.goodreads.com/series/82181... and http://www.goodreads.com/series/53824....
If there's a fairly quick *and/or* straightforward way to fix that, to combine them, please explain and I'll do it. If there's a fair chance my fuzzy brain will mess things up, I'd be thrilled if someone else can take on the task.
Thanks!
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Cheryl in CC NV wrote: "This thread seems to be muchly about duplicate series, so I think my query fits here well. I was at the author page of Valerie Tripp (creating Hopscotch Hill School series) and noticed that ther..."
I'll work on it; all of the American girl series listings could use some cleaning up anyway.
Hey,how can editions with differend language be combined if original series has 3 books and translation has seperated into 12 books?
first original part of serie:
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/91...
translated to three books:
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12...
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12...
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12...
shoud all three parts be combined to same original edition?
Pirita wrote: "Hey,how can editions with differend language be combined if original series has 3 books and translation has seperated into 12 books?
first original part of serie:
http://www.goodreads.com/book/s..."
No don't combine them into the same book, but you can put them all on the same series page.
Actually, because they're renumbered in the translated volumes it would be better to create a new series with the renumbered volumes and link the two series together by notes in their descriptions.
Cait wrote: "Actually, because they're renumbered in the translated volumes it would be better to create a new series with the renumbered volumes and link the two series together by notes in their descriptions."Thanks,
I have created new series and added descriptions.
Oh. Ok, thank you very much Amara, because I would have to be starting from scratch anyway as I'm not familiar with the American Girl stuff.
Cheryl in CC NV wrote: "Oh. Ok, thank you very much Amara, because I would have to be starting from scratch anyway as I'm not familiar with the American Girl stuff."Quite welcome! ;)
An easy question for one of the professionals/volunteers. Back in 2010, in the thread Tips for working with series, message 46, Lauren aka John Matthew's Girl asked:I have a question. Is it still necessary to put the series name in parentheses in the title box? I.E. Born Of Fire (The League #2) Or because of the series feature can that be taken out of the book titles?
So... if we are currently editing a book, should we remove the series information there?
Thanks again.
Andy wrote: "So... if we are currently editing a book, should we remove the series information there?"No. For series information to appear in certain places (such as "My Books"), it still has to be in the title field.
Andy wrote: "An easy question for one of the professionals/volunteers. Back in 2010, in the thread Tips for working with series, message 46, Lauren aka John Matthew's Girl asked:I have a question. Is it still..."
No, do not remove it. The new series information still does not show everywhere and is not searchable unless it's in the title field.
I'm sorry, but I need help! ;)I'm trying to set up a series called "Outsider". Book #1 is "Third Watch" and only in that series. Book #1.5 is a short story which is both the second "book" of "Outsider" and also belongs willy-nilly into "Love Is Always Write" as it was written for that challenge. Eventually there will be a full novel again which will be #2.
Somehow I can't get the format right. I sometimes end up with two instances of e.g. (Outsider, #1), or it lacks from the title, and I also can't seem to coax the system to displey the series as a series under the single items booklist on my author page.
Please advise! I'm stumped by now :)
Links are:
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15...
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15...
As I may have to do something similar again, I'd be very happy to hear where I went wrong! Thanks :)
I have a quick question and I don't really wanna search through a lot of posts to find it, but what qualifies as a series? For example, I have seen series pages for companion books of a series or just the extras and short stories (instead of them being on the main series page). I have also seen omnibus series instead of them being at the bottom of a series.Also is there a way to see all series alphabetically so we can find series that have duplicates? Like when someone makes each book a series instead on accident.
Krystal109 wrote: "I have a quick question and I don't really wanna search through a lot of posts to find it, but what qualifies as a series? For example, I have seen series pages for companion books of a series or j..."Related works should almost always be included in the main series listing.
So, if I see these should i put them in the main series and delete the extra series?
Krystal109 wrote: "So, if I see these should i put them in the main series and delete the extra series?"Almost certainly, yes. You could post an example if you want a double-check.
Okay, when I first started correcting information for books this was the first series I saw like this.http://www.goodreads.com/series/62549...
It links to the main series where even the companion book is its own series.
Krystal109 wrote: "Okay, when I first started correcting information for books this was the first series I saw like this.http://www.goodreads.com/series/62549...
It links to the main ser..."
Huh! At first glance I'd say yeah, the Extras should be part of the main series, but looking closer these seem to be mostly deleted scenes instead of short stories. It could be argued that they'd therefore be considered tie-ins (like the The Dark Artifacts series) instead of stories which are part of the main series. I haven't read this series so I don't have a strong opinion on whether these extras are tie-ins or part of the main series. You could try messaging the librarians who've worked on the extras series and asking what their reasoning is.
(The companion book isn't its own series there, by the way; if you click on the link, it's actually a direct pointer to the singular companion book. I'm not a big fan of that, mostly because it doesn't expand well if a second companion book is added, but there's nothing really wrong with it as it stands.)
Steelwhisper wrote: "Please?"Steelwhisper it is usually best to start a new topic as that is more likely to get noticed faster.
Both books are part of their respective series. Also the title text has been added.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I could have sworn that on the edition page the title was supposed to show all the series that the book belongs to in the title. Am I imagining things?
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Usually about 48 hours. If they have enough series to have a more series link, new series will show on that series only page immediately.