Young Adult Fiction for Adults discussion
Ugh! I'm so annoyed ...
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Sep 05, 2010 06:03PM
I don't mind follow-ups if the story called for it. However, I dislike what it does to series when they get additional books on a contract. For example, Sookie Stackhouse and Chicagoland Vampires. The story suffered by the unplanned way lay in events to accomodate (cha ching!) new books.
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Adrian wrote: Ha, it's like a soap opera plot, it's amusing. Too bad I don't like him too, then everything would work out like a polyamourous fairy tale i>aha made me laugh/snort, there are not enough polyamourous fairy tales in the world, also people don't say polyamourous enough!
Emily wrote: "aha made me laugh/snort, there are not enough polyamourous fairy tales in the world, also people don't say polyamourous enough! "Oh trust me, people say the word polyamorous enough times in my life, in fact sometimes a bit too much ("Hey Adrian, polyamorous relationship, just thought I'd remind you. You deserve her more than I do COUGH also remember I'm into guys too, especially androgynous guys like you COUGH"). And I'll write a polyamorous fairy tale, just for you.
Adrian wrote: "Emily wrote: "aha made me laugh/snort, there are not enough polyamourous fairy tales in the world, also people don't say polyamourous enough! "Oh trust me, people say the word polyamorous enoug..."
Ah my own fairy tale, how could i ever want for more!
Grow a moustache you'll look less androgynous more distinguishing :) or a beard ... definately grow a beard!
Part of this androgyny: I CAN'T grow facial hair. HA HA HA! Not that I want too; I'm fine with how I look.
Jana wrote: "Becca - looks like THE WAY OF KINGS will be out Aug 31, 2010. So not very far away at all."The Way of Kings is not a Wheel of Time book at all. Brandon Sanderson is writing the last 3 and the first of the 3 he's writing is "The Gathering Storm". At 766 pages for the hardback it's a full-length 12th book in the series.
Adrian wrote: "Part of this androgyny: I CAN'T grow facial hair. HA HA HA! Not that I want too; I'm fine with how I look."See thats all that matters :)
Adrian wrote: "Emily wrote: "aha made me laugh/snort, there are not enough polyamourous fairy tales in the world, also people don't say polyamourous enough! "Oh trust me, people say the word polyamorous enoug..."
I'm going to show my ignorance and ask what's the difference between polyamourous and bisexual? They seem like the same thing to me...
Wow. This has certainly turned into an interesting thread. Topic schmopic I say!
Lani wrote: "I'm going to show my ignorance and ask what's the difference between polyamourous and bisexual? They seem like the same thing to me... .."Someone who is bisexual might engage in relationships with people of either sex, but genrally only commit to one at a time. Much like a heterosexual relationship.
Polyamory is a multiple relationship where there are 3 or more people engaged in the relationship by mutual consent. Intimacy would be shared amoung all partners but, does not necessarily mean mixed genders as in bisexual.
You could be a bisexual engaged in a polyamourous relationship, but not all bisexuals are polyamourous.
It is also distinct from Polygamy whereupon one person has multiple spouses who would not have an intimate relationship with each other.
Hey what can I say...I took a class. LOL
Leslie wrote: "Lani wrote: "I'm going to show my ignorance and ask what's the difference between polyamourous and bisexual? They seem like the same thing to me... .."Someone who is bisexual might engage in re..."
Thanks, saved me from having to think up some smart words to explain that. lol
Oh my! That would be like the girl on the show Parks & Rec who has a boyfriend and her boyfriend has a boyfriend.
Heidi I wrote: "Oh my! That would be like the girl on the show Parks & Rec who has a boyfriend and her boyfriend has a boyfriend."If she also has a relationship with her boyfriends boyfriend then I would call that polyamory, if she doesn't, then I would call it polygamous. Think about the sister-wife concept of traditional Mormans...but with a dude.
I knew that Women's Studies minor would come in handy one day. LOL.
I've never seen that show but I love me some Amy Poehler!
ummm...So I can have a boyfriend with a boyfriend who is also my boyfriend and we are polyamory but if i have a boyfriend and a girlfriend but they are not each others boyfriend/girlfriend as well then I am polygamous?
Yes. Unless they don't know about and give mutual consent about each other, in which case you'd simply be cheating on your boyfriend or girlfriend. I should think (but I don't know for sure) that it also implies some level of commitment as a group. i.e. setting up a household. Usually polygamy is patriarchal with one man and multiple wives, but there have been documented cultures that were matriarchal with one wife and multiple husbands. Mixing the sexes/genders of your partners should fit...but there may well be an additional term for that that I haven't heard. Could be an interesting research project. (oh sure...now that I'm out of school I can come up with research topics! grumble)Sounds like a party! :)
Wow. I think I'll stick with being a heterosexual who is married (to one person). Too confusing!
Heidi I wrote: "Wow. I think I'll stick with being a heterosexual who is married (to one person). Too confusing!"LOL That's one option. I can hardly afford to keep up with gift events for one person. I can't imagine being married to additional people (even if I do sometimes wish we had a third person to do the dishes)
lol, I'm with you Heidi I. Simple is best for me too.
Leslie I highly recommend Parks & Rec if you love Amy. The first few episodes were just ok, but last year (season 2) it really took off and I am addicted.
Heidi I wrote: "Wow. I think I'll stick with being a heterosexual who is married (to one person). Too confusing!"Yeah I confused myself on that one! Plus it would seem to be just too much work - I shudder to think how a person gets through holidays and celebrations when they are so tangled up.
Jackie wrote: "Actually I do like reading series. The only problem with them is, that you often need to wait for the sequels. Lots of the series I've done this year (Twilight / Sookie / Succubus / Wicked Lovely /..."I would highly suggest the House of Night series by Kristin and P.C. Cast (daughter/mother duo). Really good YA vampire series with several books already out. Contains some romance but mostly some great mythology (even linking into Native American).
Michael wrote: "THE FOURTH BOOK IN THE ERAGON SERIES,HOW LONG DO THEY EXPECT US TO HANG ON THE RELEASE OF THIS BOOK WHEN IT TAKES FOUR YEARS TO RELEASE EACH BOOK :( LIKED THE FIRST THREE BUT LOSING INTEREST FAST"I KNOW! Really enjoyed the first three books but "discovered" the series after the first two were already out and the third was soon to be released. Will definitely need to go back and re-read before the fourth to refresh my memory. Four years is way too long, I like a book a year and can wait maybe two.
I don't have to re-read books, even if it takes eight-years for the sequel to come out, I have photographic memory :)
Julie wrote: "^Lucky. I don't..."I forget details in books about 5 minutes after I am done, so me neither!
lol! did you notice the author who wrote Water for Elephants has a new book out? I haven't read the first book and I don't know if it's a series or not, but it was in my B&N newsletter yesterday. It's called Ape House.
Leslie wrote: "Lani wrote: "I'm going to show my ignorance and ask what's the difference between polyamourous and bisexual? They seem like the same thing to me... .."Someone who is bisexual might engage in re..."
Thanks Leslie! You learn something new everyday. I too will stick with one-on-one relationships. I have a hard enough time finding one person to be with much less several, lol.
Leslie wrote: The Way of Kings is not a Wheel of Time book at all. Brandon Sanderson is writing the last..."Thanks for the clarification. I didn't realize Sanderson had his own series on top of the WoT one.
Demonic wrote: "I don't have to re-read books, even if it takes eight-years for the sequel to come out, I have photographic memory :)"Wish I did. I have to reread my OWN books to remember all the little details so I don't trip over my own pen while writing the latest story.
Demonic wrote: "I don't have to re-read books, even if it takes eight-years for the sequel to come out, I have photographic memory :)"Your so lucky, i only remember usless information. Hopefully one day it'll come in handy, maybe i'll be able to save the world :) ... you never know
Jana wrote: "Demonic wrote: "I don't have to re-read books, even if it takes eight-years for the sequel to come out, I have photographic memory :)"Wish I did. I have to reread my OWN books to remember all the..."
Ha! p.s. Emily we can save the world together with all the useless info stored in our heads. On a positive note, I am good at trivia games.
Well, good to know my life has prompted such discussion, ha ha! For the record, for the going out with someone who is also going out with someone else situation, that is generally considered polyamory from what I hear; polygamy definitely implies a marriage-like situation. People I know in that situation generally refer to it as polyamory.
Heidi I wrote: "Wow. I think I'll stick with being a heterosexual who is married (to one person). Too confusing!"Becca wrote: "lol, I'm with you Heidi I. Simple is best for me too."
I've long ago given up on simple and unconfusing; even when I'm single (i.e. always), my life tends to confuse everyone. Simple hasn't been an option for a long time. Not that I want it anyway; life is less interesting and more limited that way.
I am old and boring Adrian! That is ok with me. My motto is to each his own and I wish more people would live by it :)
The potential a series has, over a single book, is to spread the character development over a longer, richer period of time. The trick though, is not to be so slow it's boring, or, as some complained about Mockingjay with Katniss, lack meaningful character development. In a series we get a different perspective of life through time, and we hope to see and understand how to meet challenges, to develop strengths and understandings and rise above the 'enemy.' Harry Potter case in point. There's a special kind of drama seeing the young man grow up and finally face his life's 'demons.' Can a single book do that? How many remember the protracted years waiting for the next Potter book to come out and while waiting, contemplating life's maturing process?
Thee is one more point to be made about series. Done right, the challenges, the problems, but also the rewards should reach greater depths as the series progresses. Who doesn;t feel that way about Potter. I'm a Sword of Truth fan and see that progression worked beautifully there too.
Haha Lord of the rings, only three books? Lol that could have been 12? Quite the progression.
I don't mind a series, providing each book has a satisfactory ending. You should be able to read each book out of sequence without feeling as if you've missed something, IMHO. Has anyone read THE KNIFE OF NEVER LETTING GO? I was really digging this story, waiting for the climax then the resolution at the end... AND IT LEFT ME HANGING!! I was so ticked off! It's a cheap trick to "guarantee" that readers will want the next book. I did read the successive book (can't remember the title) but I'm done. Probably. I would rather choose to read the next book because I enjoyed the characters and want to know more about them, not that I got sucked in and have to to find out what happened to them. I love when I finish a book that has a totally fulfilling ending and I can't stop thinking about the characters, whether a series book or a stand-alone. I don't always need to read another story about them. I think we're becoming so conditioned to expect at least a sequel to everything, we're losing the ability to appreciate a book on its own merit, without needing more.
R. I agree about cliff hanger endings. I am not into them. That is what made Harry Potter such a great series because at least at the end of each book there was some type of resolution.
Oh me too! Cliffhangers annoy the crap out of me. I'm all for series that finish each story, but you love the characters so much you would love to find out anything more that happens to them.
I like series because when I enjoyed a story and the characters, I happy to read more about them. But I prefer by far when there is a definite number of books, like Harry Potter or Vampire Academy because otherwise I get bored after a while, it just feels like the author doesn't have any idea of where the story is going.And I HATE cliffhangers! I don't want to feel like I have to read the next book just because I curious and not because I enjoyed the first one.
Heidi I wrote: Ha! p.s. Emily we can save the world together with all the useless info stored in our heads. On a positive note, I am good at trivia games HA me too :)
Becca wrote: "Oh me too! Cliffhangers annoy the crap out of me. I'm all for series that finish each story, but you love the characters so much you would love to find out anything more that happens to them."Yes, I also find it frustrating when a book ends mid-story arc. There's no conclusion and then you have to wait forever for the next book! I don't mind if there's still a few loose ends that will explained later on in the series (especially if this is hinted at), but I like the main plot of the book I'm reading to be complete. Otherwise sometimes I'm left feeling like, "Why did I read this exactly?"
Yes, books in a series need to fit together to form a big picture but each of the books in the series needs to have a small complete picture in them. Cliffhangers blur the picture and rely too much on cheap suspense.
Heidi I wrote: "I am old and boring Adrian! That is ok with me. My motto is to each his own and I wish more people would live by it :)"Aw, neither monogamous nor old equal boring. I know many interesting monogamous, old people.
Julie wrote: "Yes, books in a series need to fit together to form a big picture but each of the books in the series needs to have a small complete picture in them. Cliffhangers blur the picture and rely too much..."That's a great way of describing what books in a series should do. I think a lot of people are confused about what a cliffhanger is though. In a series, there's always something that can happen next, so no matter when the book gets cut off people might call it a cliffhanger.
Hmmm for me? It would be like introducing something substantial in the last few pages. And the only way to find out what is the reason for this substantial thing is to wait for the second book to come out. That's my idea of a cliffhanger. (Ex: the heroine opening the door and seeing a figure, gasping then saying, "Dad". And this is after we thought the dad was dead since chapter 1).If it was just something that wasn't answered, then I just call it that: unanswered question. (Ex: Why did she only make the phone call on Thursdays??)
Peep wrote: "Hmmm for me? It would be like introducing something substantial in the last few pages. And the only way to find out what is the reason for this substantial thing is to wait for the second book to c..."Exactly! Like in the book THE KNIFE OF NEVER LETTING GO, (spoiler alert if you've never read it!) the "bad guy" the main characters thought was dead pops up with a gun trained on them, and that's where the reader is left. Boom, done, end of book. And just the page before, I thought they were "home free" and I was waiting for the wrap-up. Of course, in order to find out how the kids get out of this situation (or if they do), you have to read the next book. THAT is a cliffhanger. And I think that's a cheap publishing trick.
Hmmm, interesting (he says feeling guilty) What about a complete book that has a sad ending? But it's a series book. Is a sad ending considered a cliff hanger if you feel there's a chance to make it right later or hope so?
I'm annoyed with need to have a triangle. Sometimes, it just doesn't help the storyline, like in the Hunger Games trilogy. I liked that in Lingerthere was no triangle but a different new couple in Cole/Isobel :)
Darryl wrote: "Hmmm, interesting (he says feeling guilty) What about a complete book that has a sad ending? But it's a series book. Is a sad ending considered a cliff hanger if you feel there's a chance to mak..."I don't know. I'd have to see. It depends on how sad it is??? I think of cliffhangers as shockers, not necessarily sad, so it's hard to say.
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