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Jim wrote: "It was in his party leader's speech. He said a lot of other stuff to, but he made quite a big thing of this."However, if you were of a somewhat sceptical or cynical cast of mind you could see it as another attempt at typical political gamesmanship and an attempt to put his opposition on the back foot by labelling any attempt at criticism of him as a 'return to the old politics'.
After all, he has been playing the game as long as - if not longer - than those he claims are doing it the same old way.
Oh he's been in the game a long time and London politics was never pretty, but he's put his marker down. Let's see how the game plays. He has, to an extent, got a fresh start in this regard because he's as much in charge as any party leader is.I'm waiting for his response to the next round of 'tory scum' posts on facebook :-)
Jim wrote: "Let's see how the game plays. He has, to an extent, got a fresh start in this regard because he's as much in charge as any party leader is.I'm waiting for his response to the next round of 'tory scum' posts on facebook :-)"
Maybe he will change it - perhaps even for the better.
But as in PM questions, it does seem that Corbyn knows that Cameron is better at the rituals of parliamentary theatre than he is, so he tried to defuse it by twisting it to more of his advantage.
But he did take a lot of the interest for the spectators out if it.
Like you say though, as on Facebook - people like the tribal Punch and Judy far too much to easily give it up.
Corbyn knows that, of course, but at least he can now claim he tried to change it and his hands are clean.
And - of course - the evil tories have only themselves to blame by being evil tories in the first place.
David wrote: "And - of course - the evil tories have only themselves to blame by being evil tories in the first place. ..."
I have no doubt that I will be told on facebook in no uncertain terms that the new courtesy is only to be extended to decent people and that the Untermensch are to be driven forth from our midst
Jim wrote: "David wrote: "AI have no doubt that I will be told on facebook in no uncertain terms that the new courtesy is only to be extended to decent people and that the Untermensch are to be driven forth from our midst "Sounds both fair and reasonable.
Jim wrote: "David wrote: "And - of course - the evil tories have only themselves to blame by being evil tories in the first place. ..."
I have no doubt that I will be told on facebook in no uncertain terms ..."
If the word Untermensch liberally appears on FB, then we are truly moving into uncharted waters. But my Weltschmerz tells me it won't happen
Marc wrote: "If the word Untermensch liberally appears on FB, then we are truly moving into uncharted waters. But my Weltschmerz tells me it won't happen ..."Could we enjoy schadenfreude if it did :-)
Meanwhile, Mr Unelectable continues to attract members to labour.More joined in 24 hours after his leaders speech than the ENTIRE LibDem membership roll.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/...
more people potentially to knock on doors which has to be a good thing. But no evidence that it will turn Mr & Mrs Middle from Nuneaton to vote Labour
One big problem is that because our votes are based on constituencies, you run the risk of just getting more votes in the constituencies you've already won. That was a Conservative problemEncouraging the poor and dispossessed to come out and vote only really helps him if they don't already live in Labour safe seats.
Getting young people to join is good, but getting them to put their names on the electoral register would a good as well.
Marc wrote: "more people potentially to knock on doors which has to be a good thing. But no evidence that it will turn Mr & Mrs Middle from Nuneaton to vote Labour"Plenty evidence to suggest that Scotland doesn't give two hoots for Corbyn, either.
At least 10 killed in college shooting in Oregon.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-ca...
Of course, now is not the right time to talk about gun control...
Obama tonight: Our allies, Britain and Australia, have strict gun laws and they do not have these shootings... those staes with stricter controls have less issues like this, what more evidence do we need?
‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happenshttp://www.theonion.com/article/no-wa...
According to the papers he's 'British'
Ah, well that changes everything.If an American does the shooting then it's no big deal, the constitution allows them to have guns and these shootings are just proof that America is the most free nation on the planet. Everyone just needs to calm down and stop making a big deal out of things...
...but if a foreigner does it, then THIS IS TERRORISM AND TERRORISM IS A MORTAL DANGER TO OUR FREEDOMS AND WAY OF LIFE AND WE MUST DO SOMETHING TO PROTECT OURSELVES FROM THIS ATTACK OH MY GOD WHY IS EVERYONE SO JEALOUS OF OUR FREEDOMS
Careful, Mikey.The 'murcans will come over and get all free on your arse.
Apparently he was born in Britain, but moved as a child.
He was moulded by society there.
If citizens feel they need to arm themselves in the home to protect their families, ask yourself why no politician is addressing the state of affairs that brings that mindset around in the first place?
Marc wrote: "If citizens feel they need to arm themselves in the home to protect their families, ask yourself why no politician is addressing the state of affairs that brings that mindset around in the first pl..."Marc, tell me you're not that naïve! :)
Fear is a proven vote winner.
R.M.F wrote: "Marc, tell me you're not that naïve! :)Fear is a proven vote winner...."
Actually I think Marc might be agreeing with you, because you have to ask who has been building the climate of fear
Jim wrote: "R.M.F wrote: "Marc, tell me you're not that naïve! :)Fear is a proven vote winner...."
Actually I think Marc might be agreeing with you, because you have to ask who has been building the climate..."
Marc never agrees with me. I cite Eastwood's sports thread as hard evidence :)
Patti (baconater) wrote: "Careful, Mikey.The 'murcans will come over and get all free on your arse."
Except those of us who share his sentiments.
surely it's the 'murcans will come over and get all free on your ass"?
Americans do stuff for free? In a capitalist society?
Apparently, the Tories have lifted their ban on champagne been served at their conference. They don't care how they're portrayed anymore, now that they have their 5 years...
I've just watched French TV news showing a meeting between air France striking union members. They physically set upon two directors literally ripping their suit coats and shirts off. The two men had to leg it and climb a high wire barrier to escape.
De bagging they call it at Eton, Lynne. Is such sport only for the ruling classes, then?
Carwyn Jones, (First Minister for Wales): Please delay the new Wales bill as it is so badly written and drafted that it doesn't actually say what it is supposed to.Cameron : That's playing politics.
Crabbe (Sec of State for wales) Maybe that's so, but I'm going ahead anyway and we'll try and sort it out later.
How stupid can these Tories be?
Most UK legislation is really badly framed, despite Parliament being dominated by lawyers. Section 28 was so flawed you could drive a bus through it so it was unenforceable, though Jim has argued this was deliberate on the part of the law makers who didn't really have the heart behind such discriminatory legislation. I'm not so convinced.
It takes some doing to tear shirts and suits to rags. They must have been really roughed up.
Crabbe is our MP. I'm underwhelmed.
I've just heard that the demo was because those two blokes had just announced the loss of almost 3000 jobs, then walked through a crowd of poeple whose livelihoods they had just thrown away... did they expect to walk through unscathed?
It wasn't quite like that, they were sitting at a desk in the meeting and someone rushed at them followed by the mob. They did have to run away. It was very ugly. I understand the feelings must have run high but I can't agree with what happened. it wasn't big and it wasn't clever.
Who was most at fault, Lynne? Those whose families had just lost their livelihoods, or the men who had taken it away without themselves being affected financially? Perhaps their attitude and the way they conducted the meeting had something to do with it?
You can see why people get sacked by text, if this is the response they get face to face, no wonder. In fact if this happened in the UK, from that point on I suspect that a company COSHH assessment would make it mandatory
Why didn't they just do a blanket 5p charge for plastic bags?Stupid people.
Because England has a god given right to pollute the planet with single use plastic bags, Patti, and civilisation there will implode if people have to start taking bags around with them (you know, like we used to do...)The papers have lost the plot over it!
So, today in the media:Screaming headlines over violent anti austerity riots!
Ignored: Twitter feed from Greater Manchester Chief Constable: Thanks the protestors for peaceably exercising their democratic right of protest, and notes 4 arrests only.
Tiny print: Hunt (note spelling) says that Tax Credit Cuts will encourage workers to work like the chinese. For a single bowl of rice a day, presumably.
What I cannot understand about the bag fiasco is why they don't just enforce rules that demand bags that are more bio degradable.Screaming headlines about violence vs peaceable reports. I suspect the truth lies somewhere between, as usual. I read and interesting piece in the Telegraph that showed that when the visitors to the conference engaged the protesters, both sides realised tha they had more in common than they realised.
Sorry Will, but no way does attacking anyone in a meeting whatever the reason, wash with me. It's not subservience it's a bit of self control whatever the provocation. I think it was orchestrated and planned as usual by someone who won't be the aggressors on the cctv clip. A normal violent reaction would have been to punch him on the nose if you got close enough but to start ripping clothes off is different to say the least, I think the intention was to strip both men naked to humiliate them and that didnt 'just happen' on the spur of the moment. Anarchy and supporting it leads to what?
The bag thing isn't a fiasco, Geoff. Single use bags have declined by around 70% , I believe, in every country where this measure has been introduced. After a month, everyone gets used to it and realises it is actually a better way of operating.What's with the english papers that they can't see that?
Subservience is what it is, Lynne. A lot of these people have specialist skills that are not easily transportable to other industries, and face real hardship. I'd debag the directors too, if it were me. (Maybe i should have gone to Eton?)Tories want everyone working for no money with no rights, like the Chinese do... just ask Jeremy Hunt. He's let the cat out of the bag, hasn't he?
Will wrote: "Tories want everyone working for no money with no rights, like the Chinese do... just ask Jeremy Hunt...."yep Tories allied with red china
I remember the last lines of animal farm
Will wrote: "So, today in the media:Screaming headlines over violent anti austerity riots!
Ignored: Twitter feed from Greater Manchester Chief Constable: Thanks the protestors for peaceably exercising their ...
Tiny print: Hunt (note spelling) says that Tax Credit Cuts will encourage workers to work like the chinese. For a single bowl of rice a day, presumably. "
er that was the Cambodians
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As for it being rejected by several previous leaders, when you look at how well they did, using stuff they rejected starts looking like a smart move :-)
As to the 'hate stuff' I think Corbyn will gain if the media keep attacking him, because people like to see 'fair play' and everybody 'ganging up on him' will go down badly.
But what will hit him is if the left wing 'hate stuff' continues on social media. Just talking to people as I wander about, the 'pig gate' stuff seems to have been regarded as reflecting more badly on those who posted it.
Best laugh I got out of it was from one old chap who said that it seemed like the healthy alternative to some of the practices he'd seen approved of by various politically correct groups :-)