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•✩• What is Feminism, and is it Good?
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Sep 14, 2025 05:27PM
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I understand what yall are saying but you should say you hate misandry then, because that’s what that is.
Feminism as the movement overall, that’s saying you don’t want equal rights for women.
It really makes me mad when people hate feminism honestly because don’t decide to hate something when you don’t know what you’re talking about. Yes some people who call themselves feminist are misandrist, and it’s Completely valid to hate misandrists. But to hate or not agree with feminism is to say women don’t deserve equal rights and that is awful.
Feminism is a movement fighting for equal rights. When people say it’s hateful or hating on men, it is not, that is misandry. Yes some feminists are misandrists, but the movement is not.
Tessie wrote: "Here’s what I said if yall wanted to respond:I understand what yall are saying but you should say you hate misandry then, because that’s what that is.
Feminism as the movement overall, that’s say..."
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well no. misandry is hatred for boys and men. while yes, i don’t agree with that, that’s not my point. modern feminism has taken a turn into abortion and over powering men, not hating on men, there is a difference. it’s not fighting for equality but dominion. i stand for fighting against sex trafficking and violence against women, but no, saying you don’t agree with feminism is not the same as disagreeing with equality. i’m disagreeing with TODAYs feminism
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You’re disagreeing with today’s misandrist FEMINISTS. Feminism hasn’t changed the people have. Feminism is still about equal rights, like the right to tie your tubes without a husbands permission, better rights against rape, sex trafficking, rights to abortion, etc.
the want to overpower, dominate, or think you’re better than men is a misandrist argument. Misandry is the opposite of misogyny, so if misogyny is men are more powerful and better, misandry is women thinking they r empire powerful and better.
you just basically said what i did, but in different words. i literally said yes, i’m disagreeing with today’s feminism. those were my words. obviously i’m not going to ask my husband for permission to tie my shoe. but i do think that there should be a man in the house.you just said everything i did, so why are you acting like i disagreed with you? i was strictly pointing out what i meant
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And you’re the one who disagreed with me, yo quite literally said ‘well no.’ lol. I was responding to your disagreement.
no today’s feminism is focused on abortion, which is, again, women domination. which is some what the same as misandry, which you said you were against. while misandry is focused on the hatred for men, saying you are not against abortion is women dominance. if a man is apart of getting a women pregnant, which is giving that baby some of his DNA, why shouldn’t he have a say in an abortion? early feminism fought for and won suffrage for women. okay, that’s done. now this mindern feminism isn’t ab equality anymore. you can’t say you’re not apart of misandry if that is what you worldviews are when it comes to abortion, leadership, etc
when i said well no, i was referring to the context you put misandry, sorry
calista wrote: "no today’s feminism is focused on abortion, which is, again, women domination. which is some what the same as misandry, which you said you were against. while misandry is focused on the hatred for ..."I’m only going to answer the top part cause I need to go to bed and don’t have time but the man isnt the one carrying the baby in his womb for 9 months he’s not the one going through severe pain. If he is against abortion for the woman he impregnated he is dominating her and forcing her she doesn’t want to do. Especially if the man forcefully impregnated the woman or the woman is very ill and/or has high chances of dying during birth. Yes the fetus in the womb has his dna but he’s not the one suffering
no your fine, sleep is important haha. well agreed, he’s not carrying that child for 9 months, but that child is only temporarily in your body. a women made a choice to have sex shouldn’t she carry the responsibility of that choice?
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Honey. Please search up the definition of feminism, it is women fight for EQUAL rights. Just because some people are misandrist and feminist doesn’t mean feminism is the same as misandry.
Secondly, the right to bodily anatomy, abortion, is not world domination. Women are better leaders IN MY OPINION but that doesn’t mean I think we should rule the world.
Because the man doesn’t carry the baby for nine fucking months. He does two seconds of effort to create that fetus and in a lot of cases it’s against tthe woman’s will. If you go by the logic that men create 50% of the child, why is it legal for men not to give child support? Why is it legal for the father to leave the mother? Why doesn’t the father go to jail with the mother if she gets an abortion?
Men don’t contribute 50%. They contribute 50% of the dna, they only contribute about 1% of the baby making. And abortions are destroying his dna it’s destroying the fetus the WOMAN made.
Also there’s not even any men here (unless you’re a man and I misgendered you) thinking that.
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well agreed, he’s not carrying that child for 9 months, but that child is only temporarily in your body. a women made a choice to have sex shouldn’t she car..."
The point is that she didn’t WANT to have sex. She didn’t consent to being impregnated, even if she consented to sex! It’s honestly disgusting if you think a woman should die or suffer because she was impregnated against her will.
honestly i think feminism is definitely good, but it's a shame it's perceived in such a negative way. the definition of feminism is fighting for equal rights for women, not hating on men. also i saw someone mention this, but how is abortion women domination?? like this is literally why we need feminism, everyone is terrified to let women make decisions for themselves. i need someone to explain how wanting to give women control over their bodies and their lives is "dominating over men"
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To this, feminism is not done. Modern feminism IS about equality, like equal pay, right against rape, tying your tubes, all sorts of things like that. It’s not done just because we can vote. When men say things like ‘she’s only hear because she slept to the top’ or ‘take her swimming on the first date’ that’s the proof we are not equal to men. When a man likes to sleep around, he’s a player and desired. When a woman likes to sleep around, she’s a whore and overused. That’s not equal rights!
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To this, feminism is not done. Modern feminism IS about equality, lik..."
exactly!! i'd say a large part of modern feminism is focused on this kind of stuff, because now it's less fighting legal battles and more erasing the stigma around women.
@calista i'd say real feminists fight against misandry as well. the point of feminism is equality --- you don't fight injustice with more injustice.
and also, i wouldn't say modern feminism is focused too much on abortion at all, that's just the part that's received the most media coverage because abortion is such a controversial subject. rather, i'd say modern feminism is more bringing attention to misogyny in various places, like the workplace or justice system (there is actually a lot of sexism in the justice system, men are convicted way too much and women are ignored way too much).
Nowadays the word “feminism” has a COMPLETELY different meaning. According to people , this means to say that female gender is ,more superior than males and mocking the other gender. This toxic feminism is literally shame to feminism which actually means EQUALITY BETWEEN MALES AND FEMALES AND NOT DOWNGRADING THE OTHER GENDER!!
I don't know why people think women have equal rights so feminism is 'done'.Women are still consistently getting payed less than men in most countries.
(For example, South Korea: Earnings for a full-time employed woman is 31% lower than that of a man, as of 2022.
In Latvia: Full-time employed women earn 19.5 % less than men.
This is only 2 countries, but there are many more with similar gaps)
In the UK, 5/6 women who are raped don't report. By the end of 2024, of the 71, 227 rapes recorded to the police only 2.7% of those ended in someone being charged.
There are still many countries, like Japan, Poland, Lithuania and more, where it is illegal for a woman to tie her tubes, unless pregnancy could endanger her life.
These are just a few examples. Just because women in countries like the UK and America have more rights, doesn’t mean we don't need feminism anymore. Feminism is not the same as misandry, and feminism doesn't fight for domination of men, only equal rights.
Again, like Tessie said, modern-day feminism is STILL fighting for women's equal rights, it is not trying to oppress men, but some feminists are also misandrists. You can't just look at the few misandrist feminists that say the world would be better off without men and then dismiss the whole modern-day feminism movement because of it.
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most people who argue that feminism is done, and has nothing else to fight for, have never been or researched the rights of women in third world countries have they? most people just talk about america, where women have a good deal of rights (though there is still always more we can do).
sieraqvt🇻🇳 semi-ia (school) wrote: "most people who argue that feminism is done, and has nothing else to fight for, have never been or researched the rights of women in third world countries have they? most people just talk about ame..."Exactly
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Seeing yall saying this when I woke up totally warmed my heart yall are all right and this is the kind of feminism we need and are talking about!!!
feminism is the focus of equality for both sexes
i firmly believe in women being equal to a man, but we ARE equal in this country, and i’m American so i won’t be worrying about other countries and what their rights are, that’s on them, they can fight for voting rights because i think women should have always been able to vote. and saying men are players is not correct, yes men have a sex driven mind that’s just facts and is known, but you can’t use some experiences and base in on the whole sex. because women can be just as bad. you can’t say anything like” well i can wear this because men shouldn’t be looking at me anyways” you know exactly what you are doing. if you don’t want men to look at you, don’t wear clothes that will make them look at you. men are sex driven yes, but women are attention cravers. both sides are bad, and no men DONT just put in 1% of effort into pregnancy and that process, and still, that’s just how God created it
also no i don’t think a women should die for something she never asked for, but again, that’s child shouldn’t die for something they didn’t ask for either. and do you know what a Cesarean section is? it is actually scientifically known that it’s safer then having an abortion
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And you don’t worry about other countries because you don’t live there? You realize we are going into world war three right? If another country takes over you should probably care. Not to mention that’s incredibly self centered, something Jesus was very against.
And saying men are players is actually very correct. That what sleeping around means as a man. You think men having a sex driven mind is an excuse for them to be creeps? I’m not talking about some experiences, I’m talking about the 450,000 fucking women raped each year because of men’s ‘sex driven mind’.
And no, clothing is not what gets men’s attention. Ye sit can, but you are gonna try to tell me that the four year old wearing swimming underwear that catches a man’s attention is her fault?
Women dressing how they want is not attention seeking it’s self expression. Remember in the 2000s when men sagged their pants to where you could see their underwear? There were no women complaining about how wet that made them. But as soon as a woman shows her bra strap it’s provocative because it gives a man a boner? That’s what feminism is about! That’s unequality!
And they do. All they do is give a woman sperm.
And because you irritated me by saying woman are at fault for sexual harassment,God isn’t real.
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You can debate this in the ‘should abortion be legal’ topic. And the FETUS doesn’t know nor care if it’s aborted. As for a C-section, they cant do one until the fetus can live independently. Obviously. So that really doesn’t affect whether she needs an abortion, becaus eabortions are done wayyy before that.
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Exactly, some people do take it too far and it turns into misandry.
i agree. im just saying feminism is us wanting to be equal
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Tessie wrote: "We aren’t equal, we all just gave you examples. Equal pay? Domestic violence? Sexual harassment? That’s not equality.And you don’t worry about other countries because you don’t live there? You rea..."
okay first off, we’re talking about feminism, so if you really wanna argue about the existence of God, let’s do that in a different topic, not because we’re angry
and abortion is a big part of feminism, that’s why i brought up those points, but that’s okay, i’ll do it there.
no, having a sex driven mind is never an excuse for being a creep, but that doesn’t mean the entire race of men is awful and every single one of them have problems. im not going to look at my father and uncles and instantly think they are just players and sleep around. while yes, there is a lot more then some experiences, so i should’ve used a better example, im not going to look down on men just because of mistakes, because people seem to be ignoring the fact about things women have done.
ofc a man should NEVER look at a young child in lust, but sadly that does happen in this fallen world. but i will never put my child in a situation where it could happen. im not going to just say, oh thats this world, deals with it, but im not going to put myself in a situations where it could happen! and yes, men have a sex driven mind and it does make them think a bout things like that, its not an excuse, but you cant say they dont.
do you not know the saying, “put your own oxygen mask on before you assist anyone else” im going to worry about my country, before i go and think about another ones. if you have actually ever read scripture, you would know that Jesus focused on His Own people, the Jews, before focuses on all of us, the Gentiles. so no im not saying i dont care about anyone else, you’re misinterpreting my statements.
calista wrote: "but again, that’s child shouldn’t die for something they didn’t ask for either. and do you know what a Cesarean section i..."well the child dint ask to be born either and it cannot miss what it never had
and you kept mentioning women domination
as if its a bad thing.we all see everyday what a man dominated world looks like. and women fight for basic respect more than domination.and also why shouldnt women dominate?
we need equal rights, so I support feminism because I hate the fact that men think they are better than women just because of what they were told
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Syd wrote: "Women shouldn’t dominate because we are all supposed to be equal. If you try to get women to be above men then men are gonna fight back and it’s just going to keep going back and forth. Why can’t w..."Agreed
Syd wrote: "Women shouldn’t dominate because we are all supposed to be equal. If you try to get women to be above men then men are gonna fight back and it’s just going to keep going back and forth. Why can’t w..."and i agree. some people think that this is what feminism is. the barbie movie heavily portrayed this
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And you don’t worry about other countries because you don’t live..."
You brought up god, who has nothing to do with feminism actually. If you can bring up your opinion on him in the middle of a debate, why can’t I?
Abortion is rights to bodily anatomy, which is a big part of feminism yes.
Feminism isn’t about the whole gender being awful.
If we look over what women have done, list me some things women have done that men haven’t?
Example of the scripture? Because I’m pretty sure Jesus cared about everybody.
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A movement for women to have equal right to men.
Feminism as a movement is just that. Feminism isn’t about controlling men, that’s what misandry is.
Tessie wrote: "Faith wrote: "How would you guys define feminism?"A movement for women to have equal right to men.
Feminism as a movement is just that. Feminism isn’t about controlling men, that’s what misandry is."
What rights do men have that women don't have?
Faith wrote: "How would you guys define feminism?"A movement that advocates for the equality of men and women.
Faith wrote: "How would you guys define feminism?"For women to be treated as fairly as men and to get rid of past stereotypes😕
do we not see how hard it is for women to get their assaulters and rapists in jail? and that’s just one thing, let me find some more brb
this article actually says that only 14 countries have true equal rights for women, and the us is not one of them (surprisingly) https://www.weforum.org/stories/2023/...
Tessie wrote: "calista wrote: "Tessie wrote: "We aren’t equal, we all just gave you examples. Equal pay? Domestic violence? Sexual harassment? That’s not equality.And you don’t worry about other countries becaus..."
He actually has everything to do with feminism, but we won’t get into that right now. and what i said wasnt an opinion.
excuse me? when did i say women have done different things? women have actually forced children on bed before and done awful things, like Ruby Franke and Jody Hildebrandt, Elexis Kiera Sideny etc.
okay, again, i never said Jesus didnt care about everyone, so maybe stop misinterpreting and read what i actually wrote? thank you.
Romans 1:16 (the Greek being the Gentiles)
Luke 24:47
Deuteronomy 7:6-7
Luke 2:38
(there’s a lot more but these are key verses)
Jesus loves every one of us, but He came for the Jews first, And He Himself is a Jew
we forget that feminism isn’t just a legal issue, women are constantly looked down upon and treated as less than. one really disturbing example of this is when china had their one-child policy, where most families could only have one child. parents who gave birth to girls would abandon, or even KILL their daughters just so they could try again for a boy. also, child marriage for girls is still common in parts of south asia, southeast asia, and africa, feminism is fighting for those girls. protests in one country have a way of influencing others, and feminism brings awareness to those issues.
I think feminism is a movement advocating for equal women's rights. and I think that yes, it is a good thing.
