♡»» Are They/Them Pronouns Grammatically Correct to Use For One Person?

[Nimbus]

Logar wrote: "I genuinely don’t care if you believe in gender, if someone goes by they/them and you knowingly choose to ignore that then you are just a bitch. I don’t believe in god but would I go around refusin..."

^^^ This!

[minnie {s.ia}]

Sydney wrote: "Someone can say they ‘feel’ Chinese. But that doesn’t make them Chinese. You said it yourself that gender is what you perceive yourself as. Why can’t I perceive myself as 80?"

because society has decided that every year you become one year older. if you feel internally 80, i suppose then you are just a mature person. im sure that younger people out there feel older than they are due to their maturity levels, but that does not change their age bc age is something that changes by counting how many years you have been alive

[minnie {s.ia}]

quynh~vi! ᯓ★ (s.ia) wrote: "how on earth do you ‘feel’ chinese? that’s based on harmful stereotypes of chinese culture then."

yes, i also wondered this

[Logar]

How the hell can someone feel Chinese. Do you feel white? How does race and ethnicity make you feel different? Last I checked everyone is still a human

[quynh~vi! ᯓ★ (s.ia)]

syd, i’m asian. there’s been so many people online fetishizing and stereotyping my culture, specifically korean culture. it’s because they see an idealized version of korea in k-dramas and k-pop idols, because they want to belong to an ‘aesthetic’ culture. it is so incredibly harmful to compare gender non conforming people, people who science has literally said cannot choose that, to people who are literally racists.

[Sydney]

Ok? As I said you can ‘think’ whatever but that doesn’t make you that thing. A boy can think he is a girl but he’s not actually a girl. Sure in his mind he is but biologically he’s not. Why would I call a boy she her when biologically he’s still a boy? It has nothing to do with respect, it has to do with science and biology. If a person is biologically a boy then I will use male pronouns when referring to him.

[quynh~vi! ᯓ★ (s.ia)]

they’re biologically a male, that’s their SEX. gender and sex are very different. sex is your body, gender is your MIND. lemme find a source

[Sydney]

Ok you guys are taking my words out of proportion. Never meant to say anything about stereotypes. I said a person can say they are Chinese but that doesn’t mean they are. I don’t know where you guys got stereotypes and racism from? Sorry didnt mean to offend anybody.

[Nimbus]

Sydney wrote: "Ok? As I said you can ‘think’ whatever but that doesn’t make you that thing. A boy can think he is a girl but he’s not actually a girl. Sure in his mind he is but biologically he’s not. Why would I..."

I feel like a broken record here, but you're not answering my questions. What about intersex???

[Logar]

Sydney wrote: "Ok? As I said you can ‘think’ whatever but that doesn’t make you that thing. A boy can think he is a girl but he’s not actually a girl. Sure in his mind he is but biologically he’s not. Why would I..."

It literally has everything to do with respect. How did you manage to convince yourself it doesnt

[Sydney]

@nimbu I already answered that a little bit ago. I can repost it if you don’t find it, just lemme know

[quynh~vi! ᯓ★ (s.ia)]

a person can obviously think they’re chinese and they will never be chinese. chinese is literally an ethnicity 😭, it’s your blood. gender is not your blood or dna or biology, that’s sex as someone explained.

[Logar]

If I ran up to someone and deliberately started talking about how stupid their god (or gods) was just because science has said something that in my mind contradicts their beliefs does that make it okay?

[minnie {s.ia}]

quynh~vi! ᯓ★ (s.ia) wrote: "a person can obviously think they’re chinese and they will never be chinese. chinese is literally an ethnicity 😭, it’s your blood. gender is not your blood or dna or biology, that’s sex as someone ..."

this ^

[Sydney]

@logan because I’m not trying to be disrespectful. Yes someone can identify as a different gender but pronouns don’t correlate with gender they correlate with sex. I’m just speaking from a scientific/biological standpoint. A male is referred to with male pronouns, a female is referred to with female pronouns. When I don’t use preferred pronouns I’m not trying to be disrespectful.

[ashh ³³ ᵈᵘ ᵈᵘ ᵈᵘ]

Logar wrote: "This shit is so funny."

your face is so funny

[quynh~vi! ᯓ★ (s.ia)]

and ik you didn’t want to offend anyone, but please never try and compare being trans or being of a gender you weren’t born as to trying to change your race. rcta has infected every part of my life atm, and it’s literally horrible. it’s stereotyping my culture and it makes me feel so gross sometimes, my culture is not an aesthetic.

[Tessie, Assistant Moderator]

Why does it matter what they were born as, that determines their sex not their gender. Why cant you have a different gender from your sex?

[Logar]

Sydney wrote: "@logan because I’m not trying to be disrespectful. Yes someone can identify as a different gender but pronouns don’t correlate with gender they correlate with sex. I’m just speaking from a scientif..."

That doesnt stop it from being disrespectful. And science has next to nothing to do with pronouns given that they are a social construct

[Sydney]

@logan if you went up to me and just started ridiculing me to my face, yes I would kinda be sad but it’s called free speech you can do whatever you want as long as it’s in a public space. And I’m not here ridiculing you. It’s common sense, male pronouns go with the male sex, female pronouns go with the female sex.

[minnie {s.ia}]

Sydney wrote: "@logan because I’m not trying to be disrespectful. Yes someone can identify as a different gender but pronouns don’t correlate with gender they correlate with sex. I’m just speaking from a scientif..."

actually pronouns correlate with gender, not sex. i believe that doctors when talking about a patient respect and use that patients pronouns and gender even if its not their sex.

[Barnette ⋆˙⟡ *semi-hiatus for weekend*, Creator, Head Moderator]

Hey everyone, just a quick reminder to be respectful! This isn't directed at anyone just making sure things don't get out of hand :)

[ashh ³³ ᵈᵘ ᵈᵘ ᵈᵘ]

arent we talking about nonbinary folk, not trans people?

[Tessie, Assistant Moderator]

Like Logan said though, pronouns describe gender and gender isn't equivalent to sex.

[Logar]

Oh oh oh I got a great way to prove that science and respect don’t equal the same thing. If I said Syd looked like a stereotypical white homeschooled Christian does that it being true make it any less disrespectful? No it doesn’t

[Sydney]

@logan pronouns are not a construct, gender is. But pronouns do not correlate with gender, they correlate with sex

[Logar]

Barnette ⋆˙⟡ wrote: "Hey everyone, just a quick reminder to be respectful! This isn't directed at anyone just making sure things don't get out of hand :)"

Too bad bitchyboo you can’t stop me 💅

And I know that was directed at me 🖕

[Barnette ⋆˙⟡ *semi-hiatus for weekend*, Creator, Head Moderator]

ashh ³³ ᵈᵘ ᵈᵘ ᵈᵘ wrote: "arent we talking about nonbinary folk, not trans people?"

I've heard that nonbinary fits under the trans umbrella since you're identifying differently than the sex you were born with, but I'm not sure.

[Logar]

Sydney wrote: "@logan pronouns are not a construct, gender is. But pronouns do not correlate with gender, they correlate with sex"

Pronouns cant exist without gender so yes they are a social construct

[Sydney]

@minnie where did you get that info that pronouns correlate with gender?

[ashh ³³ ᵈᵘ ᵈᵘ ᵈᵘ]

Sydney wrote: "@logan pronouns are not a construct, gender is. But pronouns do not correlate with gender, they correlate with sex"

so you agree that sex and gender are not equal?

[minnie {s.ia}]

Logar wrote: "Barnette ⋆˙⟡ wrote: "Hey everyone, just a quick reminder to be respectful! This isn't directed at anyone just making sure things don't get out of hand :)"

Too bad bitchyboo you can’t stop me 💅

An..."

hey logar, barnette was just being nice so please dont be disrespectful to her <3

[Sydney]

@logan um I am a white homeschooled Christian…
Was I supposed to feel disrespected?

[Logar]

minnie {s.ia} wrote: "Logar wrote: "Barnette ⋆˙⟡ wrote: "Hey everyone, just a quick reminder to be respectful! This isn't directed at anyone just making sure things don't get out of hand :)"

Too bad bitchyboo you can’t..."

I know her very well I was just joking

[Tessie, Assistant Moderator]

sigh logan is debates just causing drama (jk)

[Nimbus]

Sydney wrote: "@nimbu I already answered that a little bit ago. I can repost it if you don’t find it, just lemme know"

Regardless, biological sex has nothing to do with gender. Your sex is just some physical characteristics you have (which can be changed through hormonal therapy/surgery). Gender is your IDENTITY; it's who you are. The two are very different.

[ashh ³³ ᵈᵘ ᵈᵘ ᵈᵘ]

Barnette ⋆˙⟡ wrote: "ashh ³³ ᵈᵘ ᵈᵘ ᵈᵘ wrote: "arent we talking about nonbinary folk, not trans people?"

I've heard that nonbinary fits under the trans umbrella since you're identifying differently than the sex you wer..."

sure, that makes sense, i fw this, but still the topic should stay about they/them pronouns, we prolly have another topic about sex, gender, prnouns etc

[Logar]

Sydney wrote: "@logan um I am a white homeschooled Christian…
Was I supposed to feel disrespected?"

FUCK YEAH KNEW IT

[minnie {s.ia}]

Logar wrote: "minnie {s.ia} wrote: "Logar wrote: "Barnette ⋆˙⟡ wrote: "Hey everyone, just a quick reminder to be respectful! This isn't directed at anyone just making sure things don't get out of hand :)"

Too b..."

oh okie <3

[Barnette ⋆˙⟡ *semi-hiatus for weekend*, Creator, Head Moderator]

Logar wrote: "Barnette ⋆˙⟡ wrote: "Hey everyone, just a quick reminder to be respectful! This isn't directed at anyone just making sure things don't get out of hand :)"

Too bad bitchyboo you can’t stop me 💅

An..."

I reallyyy don't want to give you a strike but 😑

[ashh ³³ ᵈᵘ ᵈᵘ ᵈᵘ]

Logar wrote: "Sydney wrote: "@logan um I am a white homeschooled Christian…
Was I supposed to feel disrespected?"

FUCK YEAH KNEW IT"

HELP IM CRYING

[Barnette ⋆˙⟡ *semi-hiatus for weekend*, Creator, Head Moderator]

minnie {s.ia} wrote: "Logar wrote: "Barnette ⋆˙⟡ wrote: "Hey everyone, just a quick reminder to be respectful! This isn't directed at anyone just making sure things don't get out of hand :)"

Too bad bitchyboo you can’t..."

Oh he's fine lol we're friends outside of gr

But he's definitely not allowed to be rude to anyone else 😑

[Sydney]

@logan um ok??

[Nimbus]

ashh ³³ ᵈᵘ ᵈᵘ ᵈᵘ wrote: "Barnette ⋆˙⟡ wrote: "ashh ³³ ᵈᵘ ᵈᵘ ᵈᵘ wrote: "arent we talking about nonbinary folk, not trans people?"

I've heard that nonbinary fits under the trans umbrella since you're identifying differently..."

Yes, being transgender refers to any individual who does not correlate with their sex they were assigned at birth, which includes non-binary and gender fluid people. And I agree; this debate has definitely gone off topic.

[Ophelia ˚࿔ (hiatus)]

quynh~vi! ᯓ★ (s.ia) wrote: "gender is a social construct and is dependent on feeling and how you perceive yourself. race and ethnicity are literally in your blood. this is such a horrible and harmful comparison imo."

Yeah exactly

[Sydney]

@ash no I never said that

[minnie {s.ia}]

Sydney wrote: "@minnie where did you get that info that pronouns correlate with gender?"

alright. tbh i dont have a source. the only thing that defines my beliefs around gender and pronouns is health class, advisory/counseling class, and my overall community and how people talk about gender. i know that my beliefs around gender might not be correct, but in every situation ive ever been in people ask me "whats your pronouns?". If pronouns were just sex they would look at me and be like "ok long hair feminine face shes got boobs must be a she/her." Pronouns relates to gender in every social situation ive been in and also in all the classes ive taken in school.

[ashh ³³ ᵈᵘ ᵈᵘ ᵈᵘ]

Sydney wrote: "@ash no I never said that"

yes you did, you agreed that gender is a social construct, now unless you're saying that sex is a social construct, i do believe that you said they're two different things

[Logar]

Nimbus wrote: "Sydney wrote: "@nimbu I already answered that a little bit ago. I can repost it if you don’t find it, just lemme know"

Regardless, biological sex has nothing to do with gender. Your sex is just so..."

I’m going to have to disagree with part of that. Sex can not be changed (with our current technology, I’m sure that will change in a decade or two) as it reflects what chromosomes someone has. Intersex is a gray area and refers to anything that falls outside the biological norm with chromosomes (as well as physical features but I’m just referring to chromosomes.

[ashh ³³ ᵈᵘ ᵈᵘ ᵈᵘ]

your sex cannot be changed, i agree w logan, your genitalia can, but your assigned sex is a physical and biological aspect that at this point in time cannot be changed