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Should Some Books be Banned? If So, Which Ones?
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being gay is a sin in you’re opinion. not in other peoples opinions. just because your religion says that doesn’t mean we should ban all lgtbq books because of it.
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A lot of people do believe that being exposed to violence and murder in shows and books makes someone more likely to do those things themselves though. That was one thing brought up after the murder of Charlie Kirk, apparently the shooter had been in to violent video games and many people believed that's one thing that led him to commit the murder (this is just something I've heard, I don't know if it's true lol).
So this is slightly off-topic but what do you guys think of violence in books and other things affected people like that?
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If you'd like to discuss whether it's a choice, we have a topic for that here! https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
other peoples religions are fine and support being queer. what about the kids of those parents and religions? they are ‘allowed’ to be queer there. if you don’t want your kid to read that, send them to a catholic school or smth. but banning them for ALL kids is wrong on so many levels.
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you can debate about this in another topic! There's "can Christians be LGBTQ+" (which I've been meaning to change to "is LGBTQ+ a sin) and there's "should same-sex marriage be legal" and "is being queer a choice" as well as some things about gender!
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(partly a joke guys not trying to be rude 😄)
Barnette wrote: "I have a right to read whatever spicy gay romance I want, your religion shouldn't control that. (partly a joke guys not trying to be rude 😄)"
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(partly a joke guys not trying to be rude 😄)"
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siera ᯓ★ (semi-ia) wrote: "being gay is a sin in you’re opinion. not in other peoples opinions. just because your religion says that doesn’t mean we should ban all lgtbq books because of it."Christianity and the bible is the ultimate truth, no matter what anyone else believes, so we should all abide by it and God
yes you believe it to be true but other religions have their own gods that you need to respect.
Barnette wrote: "I have a right to read whatever spicy gay romance I want, your religion shouldn't control that. (partly a joke guys not trying to be rude 😄)"
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I guess, but many other religions rightfully condemn lgbtq
5.5% of Americans identity as 'lgbtq'. Thats 1 in every 18 people. However in almost every new book, there is multiple lgbtq characters, more than is realistic. There is over-representation in these books. Even if you believe that having gay people in books isn’t harmful to children, the gay agenda is being forced on everyone, especially christians, all the timehttps://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.ed...
Sarah (RIP Charlie Kirk!!) wrote: "5.5% of Americans identity as 'lgbtq'. Thats 1 in every 18 people. However in almost every new book, there is multiple lgbtq characters, more than is realistic. There is over-representation in thes..."And, the number of people identifying as lgbtq has doubled in 12 years, that us a MASSIVE amount. Nearly all of these people identifying as lgbtq are CHILDREN and teenagers who have successfully been indoctrinated by the gay agenda pushed by these books, causing them to grow further from God. This is just one more thing that proves our society is crumbling
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it it's really been doubled, it's probably because more people who have always felt like this are finally realizing it's ok and they won't be scorned or judged. but where are your sources about it being doubled?
Sage wrote: "Sarah (RIP Charlie Kirk!!) wrote: "Sarah (RIP Charlie Kirk!!) wrote: "5.5% of Americans identity as 'lgbtq'. Thats 1 in every 18 people. However in almost every new book, there is multiple lgbtq ch..."Then why is it mainly Gen Z and younger people identifying as lgbt? Surely, it would be older people who are identifying more as lgbt, as they have lives through a time when lgbtq wasn't accepted
https://www.americansurveycenter.org/...
https://www.npr.org/2024/03/13/123826...
I have my own personal story, proving that gay books and woke media are brainwasing children.When i was younger, i identified as a lesbian and used pronouns, because the books i read contained gay characters that used pronouns, and i was constantly seeing woke media pushing their agenda onto me.
I got a girlfriend and stopped believing in God. My life was a mess, i had bad grades and insulted my parents and God. My wonderful parents then realised how brainwashed i was from the woke tv shows and lgbtq books, amd sent me to a Christian summer camp. I found God again, and decided to stop being a lesbian. Since i found God, i no longer use pronouns, and i'm only tempted by immodest women, which is the devil trying to persuade me to sin.
I am living proof that the lgbtq propaganda DOES negatively effect children.
‘i no longer use pronouns’ so, do you just tell people to use your name when referring to you? pronouns are she, her, it, they, he, him. do you not use any of those?
also, younger people are now identifying as queer because we are now more accepting and inclusive. 50 years back, you could’ve been killed or jailed in some places. would you still say you were queer?
Sarah (RIP Charlie Kirk!!) wrote: "5.5% of Americans identity as 'lgbtq'. Thats 1 in every 18 people. However in almost every new book, there is multiple lgbtq characters, more than is realistic. There is over-representation in thes..."girl what do you mean "over-representation"? we're a minority group and we're being over-represented? also why are we acting as if seeing a queer person is the most horrible thing you've ever seen in the world? we're JUST PEOPLE TRYING TO LIVE OUR LIVES.
Sarah (RIP Charlie Kirk!!) wrote: "All books and content with lgbt in them should be banned because they are turning the children gay"do you have any proof of that?
Sarah (RIP Charlie Kirk!!) wrote: "I have my own personal story, proving that gay books and woke media are brainwasing children.When i was younger, i identified as a lesbian and used pronouns, because the books i read contained ga..."
it also might not have been the fact that you identified as a lesbian at the time, but maybe just you being a young person?
siera ᯓ★ (semi-ia) wrote: "also, younger people are now identifying as queer because we are now more accepting and inclusive. 50 years back, you could’ve been killed or jailed in some places. would you still say you were queer?"siera ᯓ★ (semi-ia) wrote: "‘i no longer use pronouns’ so, do you just tell people to use your name when referring to you? pronouns are she, her, it, they, he, him. do you not use any of those?"
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that's exactly why is isn't them. older people tend to be more conservative and rigid in their values, because they've lived through decades of the same times and now it's being changed. not just politically, but also with things like technology and medicine too. they are less likely to go out of their way to try to recognize themselves as queer.
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When i was younger, i identified as a lesbian and used pronouns, because the books i read contained ga..."
i think that, if you aren't queer, then you actually did go through something bad, because no one deserves to lose their sense of self. but this shouldn't be prevented by getting rid of the queer books, because like the summer camped helped you find you, these books help other kids find themselves. instead, we should expose kids to every corner of the media so they aren't directly influenced by any one single thing, and they can be whoever they believe is the best version of themselves. like imagine if that summer camp was banned for some reason. you, as a christian, would be lost right now. similarly, if books with queer representation are banned, queer kids would be lost. that's the main reason why i believe this isn't a good criteria for banning books.
NO BOOKS SHOULD BE BANNED, PERIOD. not even those "healing homosexuality" ones. people are allowed to say what they want and write what they want.
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I believe all books are important in some way. To get rid of one is to get rid of knowledge that could be used to create something amazing. Sometimes the books are a little....interesting and not really okay but we should still read them to learn what not to do. We learn things from books all the time, the thought to take them away is just sad.
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i dont think books should be banned because thats unconstitutional, but i think that pornographic sex books should be reviewed amd that content should not be allowed
Review Pornographic sex books about what? This kind of content are for adult +18 not for kids
@Ava usually those types of books aren't in school libraries, and if they are then that's a problem with the school not reviewing the books they bring in
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Why is written pornography bad?
Humans tend to focus on immediate visceral 'gut' feelings, in this case disgust, and allow it to override logic. If anyone can truly give me a reason why pornographic books using fictional characters offends a moral foundation(care, fairness, loyalty, authority, sanctity) i will abruptly change my opinion.
Tessie wrote: "Why is written pornography bad?Humans tend to focus on immediate visceral 'gut' feelings, in this case disgust, and allow it to override logic. If anyone can truly give me a reason why pornographi..."
written pornagraphy is just as bad as visual, because its addictive
teenage girls amd young adult women are more likly to get addicted to writtem porn
Kacper wrote: "Review Pornographic sex books about what? This kind of content are for adult +18 not for kids"they should not be available at all
the sex is pointless
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Humans tend to focus on immediate visceral 'gut' feelings, in this case disgust, and allow it to override logic. If anyone can truly give me a reason ..."
10% of men and 3% of women are addicted to porn, already starting off at a low rate, consider the amount of people who are actually addicted to written porn over video porn? It's very low, especially considering most pornographic-book consumers are women. So maybe even 1% of women who read these books are addicted to them.
On top of that, addiction to porn is rarely caused merely by availability of porn, it often includes relationship or prior mental health issues, as well as an extremely addictive personality and possible hypersexuality.
Why should all of these books be banned or restricted for that 1% whom already have underlying factors that affect the (low) possibility for addiction? What about the 95% of readers who enjoy these books on a healthy level?
Why is it fair to restrict their rights at the cost of that 1%?
its sad that people need ot read sex books in the first place. its sad we even have a topic about this. There are way more women who are addicted to reading sex books, than studies show. The only people who you are taking into account are the ones who are willing to telll someone that they are addicted
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Wait but what's the actual problem with sex in books? It's fun for people to read on a healthy level, and sex is a completely normal human behavior that we shouldn't hide from.
What studies can you site for this?
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Addiction is characterized by the action affecting your daily life, which calls for diagnosis. Anything less is not addiction.
So, to sum, you're saying that all pornographic books should be banned because maybe 3-5% of readers are addicted to them because your personal opinion states it's sad or negative to have these themes in books. because of the 3-5%, which is a rough overestimate to be safe.
Barnette ⋆˙⟡ (my girlfriend's version) wrote: "Ava (matching with the BAAAM fam) wrote: "its sad that people need ot read sex books in the first place. its sad we even have a topic about this. There are way more women who are addicted to readin..."sex in books is normaly not depicted in a normal way. it is depicted in a unhleathy, and sometimes even violent way.
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Could you explain how it's unhealthy?
Of course books with violent sex scenes are bad and should have warnings on them, but is that a reason to ban all books with sex in them?
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So, to sum, you're saying that all pornographic books should be banne..."
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Barnette ⋆˙⟡ (my girlfriend's version) wrote: "Ava (matching with the BAAAM fam) wrote: "Barnette ⋆˙⟡ (my girlfriend's version) wrote: "Ava (matching with the BAAAM fam) wrote: "its sad that people need ot read sex books in the first place. its..."its unhealthy because it is treated like a normal everyday, ive had sex with 20 different people kind of way. Sex is a beautiful unity and it is not depicted like that in most books
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This is untrue. The only books in which unsafe or consensual sex occurs is horror erotica, which is horror and still should not be banned. Thats like saying some movies have gore so all horror and thrillers should be banned.
Any violence depicted in healthy sexual books are what is considered 'bdsm' and is completely consensual, making it a healthy interaction.
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I'm not understanding how that's harmful? People can have sex with whoever they want, as long as both sides are consensual adults, and your personal morals about what sex is for should not control that.
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Thats your opinion. You might think sex is a beautiful unity to be treasured, whereas i might think sex is a fun form of exercise or bonding. You can't enforce laws based on personal opinions that are subjective.
Tessie wrote: "Ava (matching with the BAAAM fam) wrote: "Barnette ⋆˙⟡ (my girlfriend's version) wrote: "Ava (matching with the BAAAM fam) wrote: "its sad that people need ot read sex books in the first place. its..."no its actually not only in horror genre books. Take books where people are getting slammed into walls while having sex. That is unnatual and unhelathy
