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Question of the Week > What Are Some Of Your Favorite Proverbs? (3/3/24)

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Marc (monkeelino) | 3456 comments Mod
Share a favorite proverb. Bonus points if it's literary in origin.

(This question sparked by reading Hamnet and coming across the proverb "let sleeping dogs lie." I thought it might be Shakespearean in origin given the book, but turns out it's a 14th century French phrase: n'esveillez pas lou chien qui dort. Also cited by Chaucer and supposedly traceable in modern form to Walter Scott's novel Redgauntlet (1824). Who knew?!!)


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Kathleen | 353 comments Fascinating, Marc!

Well, as you might guess, the one that comes to my mind is from The Rime of the Ancient Mariner.
“He prayeth best who loveth best, all things both great and small.”

Created by Coleridge, but also used in Out of Africa and, of course, All Creatures Great and Small.


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Greg | 306 comments Kathleen wrote: "Fascinating, Marc!

Well, as you might guess, the one that comes to my mind is from The Rime of the Ancient Mariner.
“He prayeth best who loveth best, all things both great and small..."


That's a good one Kathleen!


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Marc (monkeelino) | 3456 comments Mod
Ok, I gotta ask, Kathleen--did you remember that it was used in Out of Africa and All Creatures Great and Small or did you look that up? Fascinating either way, but definitely bonus points if you remembered. :-)


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Kathleen | 353 comments Marc wrote: "Ok, I gotta ask, Kathleen--did you remember that it was used in Out of Africa and All Creatures Great and Small or did you look that up? Fascinating either way, but definitely bonus points if you r..."

Oh no. The minute I read it in Rime I thought of Out of Africa. But you have to realize I've seen that film many times. :-) And All Creatures Great and Small was front of mind because of the recent PBS series. So what I'm ashamed of is I had no recollection it came from a Coleridge poem. :-/


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Whitney | 2498 comments Mod
Kathleen wrote: "And All Creatures Great and Small was front of mind because of the recent PBS series. So what I'm ashamed of is I had no recollection it came from a Coleridge poem. :-/"

The direct source for "All Creatures Great and Small" was the hymn, "All things Bright and Beautiful". The other Herriot books in the series are named after other lines in the hymn. Although, you may still be correct. After seeing your post and the similarities, I looked into the hymn, and (per Wikipedia, the source of all knowledge) there is speculation that the hymn may have been inspired by the Coloridge.

The original source of my knowledge is far less lofty than yours. I originally knew the hymn because the mutants were singing it in "Beneath the Planet of the Apes".


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Kathleen | 353 comments Whitney wrote: " I originally knew the hymn because the mutants were singing it in "Beneath the Planet of the Apes"."

I love this, Whitney! Love the way popular culture can lead us to great literature.


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Marc (monkeelino) | 3456 comments Mod
Out of Africa is a favorite in our house, but I haven't seen it more than twice, I don't think. And not in a while. And I've never read the book. Speaking of pop cultural influences, I'm pretty sure a bulk of my early classical music exposure was via Looney Tunes.


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Kathleen | 353 comments Marc wrote: "Speaking of pop cultural influences, I'm pretty sure a bulk of my early classical music exposure was via Looney Tunes."

👍😄


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Lesley Aird | 128 comments Not quite a proverb but Mrs Doasyouwouldbedoneby has stayed with me since I first encountered her at primary school. Along with her doppelgänger Mrs Bedonebyasyoudid


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Marc (monkeelino) | 3456 comments Mod
Lesley wrote: "Not quite a proverb but Mrs Doasyouwouldbedoneby has stayed with me since I first encountered her at primary school. Along with her doppelgänger Mrs Bedonebyasyoudid"

I hadn't seen/heard this version, Lesley, but I can see why it stuck with you!


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Lesley Aird | 128 comments Marc wrote: "Lesley wrote: I hadn't seen/heard this version, Lesley, but I can see why it stuck with you!.."

They are actually characters in The Waterbabies: A Fairy Tale for a Landbaby but I invariably misremember them as being in The Pilgrim's Progress


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Greg | 306 comments It's a more recent "proverb", but I like this one by Ursula K. Le Guin from The Lathe of Heaven:

"Love doesn't sit there, like a stone, it has to be made, like bread; remade all the time, made new."


RJ - Slayer of Trolls (hawk5391yahoocom) Maybe the best proverb for a bookclub might be:

"Don't judge a book by its cover."


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