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What are we reading? 4/12/2023


Yes, indeed... I doubt that we can expect Braverman to quote ancient historians any time soon, but I would not put it past her to refer to Powell's "rivers of blood'. Considering her background as the child of immigrants, she should be ashamed of herself.

That is pretty cool - wonder if and when it'll happen here?

That is pretty cool - wonder if and when it'll happen here?"
Don't hold your breath - my hip xrays weren't shared with my doctor, just the report which took three week. But when I went to the private consultant he had them.
giveusaclue wrote: "scarletnoir wrote: "MK wrote: "...here in techie PNW, I get to see results at least as soon as my Dr. "
That is pretty cool - wonder if and when it'll happen here?"
Don't hold your breath - my hi..."
For blood / urine tests etc. we get the results by email later the same day or the following morning. They're sent to the doctor at the same time. One can go and get them on paper if wanted. X-ray results etc. we're given immediately.
That is pretty cool - wonder if and when it'll happen here?"
Don't hold your breath - my hi..."
For blood / urine tests etc. we get the results by email later the same day or the following morning. They're sent to the doctor at the same time. One can go and get them on paper if wanted. X-ray results etc. we're given immediately.

I've decided (as if that matters) that the narrative needs to be changed and use these awful moments to give them time and context. By disappearing them, nothing has been changed.
I didn't watch the hearings where US University Presidents stumbled so badly. Conflicting goals of free speech and nasty remarks are difficult to get around.
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Meanwhile back to The Grand Sophy.

That is pretty cool - wonder if and when it'll happen here?"
Don't hold..."
What wonderful service. You are lucky to get a 'test' result in less than 2 weeks here. I've gone back down the ladder today in the NHS snakes and ladders game. My appointment (I thought final wrap up after being told, Herbert, the fatty lump, was benign!) at the ENT in Aylesbury, was cancelled today with a couple of hours warning. They want me to have another biopsy, with a larger needle, 'just to make sure', the consultant said... so I am back in the waiting game again. I will have it in the 'New Year' they say...

That is pretty cool - wonder if and when it'll happen here?..."
Sorry to hear that Tam, what a disappointment.

That is pretty cool - wonder if and when it'll happen here?..."
oh dear, sorry to hear that

Its a multi-themed novel, in some ways a "state of the nation" novel about what the UK had become at 15 years remove from WW2. Barlow has a cynical touch with his narrative, summarising a nation that has lost some connection it had with the sacrifices of war time and lacking in veneration for its millions of fighting men, now living more mundance existences.
Two ex-paratroopers, veterans of Arnhem, after some time in jai, decide to rob a wages-train, the second half of the novel involves the planning, the deed and the aftermath, just as a police inspector enters the narrative and works backwards from aftermath to deed, trying to capture the two criminals.
For a popular novel of that year, it is a strange hybrid of european self-analysis and english lack of it, it falls somewhat between the stools of the european novels of the same period but is an impressive read. Barlow seems to have faded almost from view since he wrote this novel.
It packs a lot into 350 pages, again showing me that length of a novel is almost by the by, its what the author can pack it, some take 700 pages, some 350, some 150 to tell a story as well.

As Josh Marshall said on the topic, "This is one of those viral public episodes that we are all generally stupider for having been in any proximity to."

As Josh Marshall said on t..."
i was amazed at how inept they were, like they were in a court hearing, being careful what they admitted to. its very poor that they all managed to fare so badly....a collective cluster f****

Found this 9 min you tube clip that you may all like, from 1967:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOeeI...
Don Juan – Lord Byron
Canto 2 is very good, some passages grim, others sweet and beautiful. Juan is the sole survivor of a shipwreck, the tribulations of the others described in gruesome detail, drawn from real-life accounts. He is cast up on shore where he is found by delectable Haidée the pirate’s daughter (shades of Shakespeare in Love). He lies asleep, exhausted and almost naked. She comes near, and with hushed lips drinks in his scarce-drawn breath, takes in his white skin and handsome looks, bends over him while he lies beneath. Early the next morning she returns (“…And young Aurora kissed her lips with dew…”) and finds him again asleep. She stirs his curly locks, and breathes “gently o’er his cheek and mouth.” I suppose it is quite suggestive, but did people really regard this human warmth as deeply objectionable? While swallowing the cannibalism? (Juan, btw, declines to join in eating his tutor.)
It's interesting to see how ottava rima works. The first six lines, rhymed ababab, have a regular pace and usually a preparatory air. The final couplet, rhymed cc, delivers a slight pick-up in speed, and the rhyme itself becomes more prominent, so that we come to expect something a bit tighter that will frame a pointed remark or a jest and close the stanza with a snap.
“In short he was a very pretty fellow,
Although his woes had turned him rather yellow.”
At some point I have to look and see if we know why Byron abandoned the Spenserian stanza of Childe Harold. Perhaps he thought it was just too complicated having to add a ninth line with the extra rhyme and the extra beat. We do know that, with the simpler (but not simple) ottava rima, he felt he had in him cantos by the score.
Canto 2 is very good, some passages grim, others sweet and beautiful. Juan is the sole survivor of a shipwreck, the tribulations of the others described in gruesome detail, drawn from real-life accounts. He is cast up on shore where he is found by delectable Haidée the pirate’s daughter (shades of Shakespeare in Love). He lies asleep, exhausted and almost naked. She comes near, and with hushed lips drinks in his scarce-drawn breath, takes in his white skin and handsome looks, bends over him while he lies beneath. Early the next morning she returns (“…And young Aurora kissed her lips with dew…”) and finds him again asleep. She stirs his curly locks, and breathes “gently o’er his cheek and mouth.” I suppose it is quite suggestive, but did people really regard this human warmth as deeply objectionable? While swallowing the cannibalism? (Juan, btw, declines to join in eating his tutor.)
It's interesting to see how ottava rima works. The first six lines, rhymed ababab, have a regular pace and usually a preparatory air. The final couplet, rhymed cc, delivers a slight pick-up in speed, and the rhyme itself becomes more prominent, so that we come to expect something a bit tighter that will frame a pointed remark or a jest and close the stanza with a snap.
“In short he was a very pretty fellow,
Although his woes had turned him rather yellow.”
At some point I have to look and see if we know why Byron abandoned the Spenserian stanza of Childe Harold. Perhaps he thought it was just too complicated having to add a ninth line with the extra rhyme and the extra beat. We do know that, with the simpler (but not simple) ottava rima, he felt he had in him cantos by the score.

As Josh Marsh..."
It sounds as if they had done no prep. If so, where have they been? At least they could have looked at prior televised interrogations. Ivory tower-itis?
This reminds me to segway to Cassidy Hutchinson's Enough which I downloaded from the library. She was very young to have held such a position.
What I got from the book is that her birth father had/has several screws loose, and, although she tried to please him, it didn't happen ever. I remember being that age and taking responsibility when something went wrong even though I had no hand in it. It looks as if she carried this into her worklife, especially when she worked for Mark Meadows, Trump's fourth Chief of Staff, who comes across as a real piece of work.
Back to testifying, when she finally got a couple of excellent (old time Republican type attorneys) there certainly was prep - especially in the areas of her being less than truthful when she was earlier represented by a Trumpland attorney.
While somewhat self-serving, she does come across as being earnest and in the end still a Reagan Republican.

The book club that spent 28 years on one book and is now starting over.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/07/bo...
“It’s just always opening up, and feeding, and stimulating, the creative part of my brain,” said Mr. Quadrino, 38, who first attended some meetings in 2009 and more recently has participated from Austin, Texas, via the Zoom sessions. He has since started his own group.
In early October, more than a dozen people joined a Zoom meeting to read the final page of the book. Mr. Fialka called on the participants to “take one conscious breath in together” before taking turns to read two lines each.
Then, they returned to the beginning.

Canto 2 is very good, some passages grim, others sweet and beautiful. Juan is the sole survivor of a shipwreck, the tribulations of the others described in gruesome detail, drawn from real-life accounts. He is cast up on shore where he is found by delectable Haidée the pirate’s daughter (shades of Shakespeare in Love). He lies asleep, exhausted and almost naked. She comes near, and with hushed lips drinks in his scarce-drawn breath, takes in his white skin and handsome looks, bends over him while he lies beneath. Early the next morning she returns (“…And young Aurora kissed her lips with dew…”) and finds him again asleep. She stirs his curly locks, and breathes “gently o’er his cheek and mouth.” I suppose it is quite suggestive, but did people really regard this human warmth as deeply objectionable? While swallowing the cannibalism? (Juan, btw, declines to join in eating his tutor.)
It's interesting to see how ottava rima works. The first six lines, rhymed ababab, have a regular pace and usually a preparatory air. The final couplet, rhymed cc, delivers a slight pick-up in speed, and the rhyme itself becomes more prominent, so that we come to expect something a bit tighter that will frame a pointed remark or a jest and close the stanza with a snap.
“In short he was a very pretty fellow,
Although his woes had turned him rather yellow.”
At some point I have to look and see if we know why Byron abandoned the Spenserian stanza of Childe Harold. Perhaps he thought it was just too complicated having to add a ninth line with the extra rhyme and the extra beat. We do know that, with the simpler (but not simple) ottava rima, he felt he had in him cantos by the score.."
I tink that for one thing, the regularity of those first six lines makes it flow along in a more straightforward manner than the Spenserian stanza the rhyme scheme of which, ABABBCBCC, has a kind of natural pause in the middle and then another break in structure with the extra long line at the end. So the overall pattern is more complex, though extremely effective in its own, different way.
And I think this is reflected in the way DJ feels compared to CH: in DJ, the narrative is to the fore and all the many thoghts, oservations, asides and thrown off along the way in a very natural, conversational manner. In CH everything is slowed down, more contemplative, and to me generally feels more like an interior voice, someone mulling things over in their own mind.
giveusaclue wrote: "Tam wrote: " I've gone back down the ladder today in the NHS snakes and ladders game."
Sorry to hear that Tam, what a disappointment ..."
Seconded — fingers crossed for you, Tam.
Sorry to hear that Tam, what a disappointment ..."
Seconded — fingers crossed for you, Tam.
AB76 wrote: "Almost finished the superb 1960 novel by James Barlow The Patriots..."
I don't remember ever hearing of this writer or his novel. Sounds worth seeking out. On looking him up, I see he published 13.
The New York Times started an article with this: Has British novelist James Barlow ("One Half of the World") tried to write an English "Crime and Punishment"? I can't read the rest of the article.
I was intrigued by this remark of yours:
european self-analysis and english lack of it.
I don't remember ever hearing of this writer or his novel. Sounds worth seeking out. On looking him up, I see he published 13.
The New York Times started an article with this: Has British novelist James Barlow ("One Half of the World") tried to write an English "Crime and Punishment"? I can't read the rest of the article.
I was intrigued by this remark of yours:
european self-analysis and english lack of it.

I have really enjoyed this series and can recommend it to anyone who has interest (or even not) in this period of history. (Nobody denigrates the Alexandrian Empire or the Roman Empire in the same way as they denigrate the British Empire!) But they do really need to be read in order or you won't have the foggiest idea what it is all about!

Sorry to hear that as the stress of waiting begins again... on the other hand, if they have any doubts at all it's better they should check rather than wave it through and hope for the best. (My plastic surgeon fixed my nose - twice - in what he called a "belts and braces" operation, just in case any cancer cells had been missed first time around. 10 years later, I still have a nose!)
Berkley wrote: "Russell wrote: "Don Juan – Lord Byron..."
I tink that for one thing, the regularity of those first six lines makes it flow along in a more straightforward manner than the Spenserian stanza the rhyme scheme of which, ABABBCBCC, has a kind of natural pause in the middle and then another break in structure with the extra long line at the end. So the overall pattern is more complex, though extremely effective in its own, different way.
And I think this is reflected in the way DJ feels compared to CH: in DJ, the narrative is to the fore and all the many thoghts, oservations, asides and thrown off along the way in a very natural, conversational manner. In CH everything is slowed down, more contemplative, and to me generally feels more like an interior voice, someone mulling things over in their own mind. "
I think all that sounds spot-on. I meant to mention one other shade of difference. To my mind, the form of the Spenserian stanza has the effect of throwing the weight onto the final line rather than the final couplet as such, despite the rhyme. In ottava rima, on the other hand, the equal number of feet clinches the last two lines together.
One other aspect I’m impressed by is the range of reference. Greek and Roman mythology, ancient and modern history, Old and New Testaments, English and European epics, contemporary politics and literature and science. It’s all immediately available to him, and, one surmises, immediately graspable by his readers at the time. Someone with only moderate command of those subjects, like me, has to resort often to the excellent footnotes in the Penguin edition. It’s all familiar but you need help remembering.
I tink that for one thing, the regularity of those first six lines makes it flow along in a more straightforward manner than the Spenserian stanza the rhyme scheme of which, ABABBCBCC, has a kind of natural pause in the middle and then another break in structure with the extra long line at the end. So the overall pattern is more complex, though extremely effective in its own, different way.
And I think this is reflected in the way DJ feels compared to CH: in DJ, the narrative is to the fore and all the many thoghts, oservations, asides and thrown off along the way in a very natural, conversational manner. In CH everything is slowed down, more contemplative, and to me generally feels more like an interior voice, someone mulling things over in their own mind. "
I think all that sounds spot-on. I meant to mention one other shade of difference. To my mind, the form of the Spenserian stanza has the effect of throwing the weight onto the final line rather than the final couplet as such, despite the rhyme. In ottava rima, on the other hand, the equal number of feet clinches the last two lines together.
One other aspect I’m impressed by is the range of reference. Greek and Roman mythology, ancient and modern history, Old and New Testaments, English and European epics, contemporary politics and literature and science. It’s all immediately available to him, and, one surmises, immediately graspable by his readers at the time. Someone with only moderate command of those subjects, like me, has to resort often to the excellent footnotes in the Penguin edition. It’s all familiar but you need help remembering.
@Tam
My daughter says she knows someone at the BnF who she can ask about the illumination you wanted to get. This person works in book-binding, but should be able to find out.
I'll keep you posted :)
My daughter says she knows someone at the BnF who she can ask about the illumination you wanted to get. This person works in book-binding, but should be able to find out.
I'll keep you posted :)
Today I went to see an exhibition at the Jeu de Paume: photographs by Julia Margaret Cameron.
Most of them are from the V&A, but also from the BnF, la Maison de Victor Hugo ...
It's excellent, some beautiful photographs, including a wild-haired and bearded Tennyson :). She wasn't interested in striving mainly for technical perfection.
I bought Julia Margaret Cameron by Herself, Virginia Woolf and Roger Fry /anglais
Most of them are from the V&A, but also from the BnF, la Maison de Victor Hugo ...
It's excellent, some beautiful photographs, including a wild-haired and bearded Tennyson :). She wasn't interested in striving mainly for technical perfection.



My daughter says she knows someone at the BnF who she can ask about the illumination you wanted to get. This person works in book-binding, but should be able to find out.
I'll keep you posted :)"
Oh that is good news, possibly. The one you sent the link to was just a partial view of the whole painting, as well as being a bit faded, colourwise, (though could be a truer version of the actual picture?) But if its a pixel version it could be darkened with photoshop or similar...
I would love to have a version up on my wall, that I could nod to every day, in passing... I used it in my blog for 'Shelter from the Storm' so I have a strong affinity towards it...

I don't remember ever hearing of this writer or his novel. Sounds worth seeking out. On looking him up, I see he..."
its amazing how authors fade from view so fast
i feel the english intellectual or serious author is a lot less analytical than the european, a lot more about doing and not thinking, action not inertia. I much favour the european
Tam wrote: "The one you sent the link to was just a partial view of the whole painting..."
In fact, no — you click on the little symbol in the top right-hand corner and you get the whole picture.
https://essentiels.bnf.fr/fr/image/84...
As you can see from what I've uploaded in Photos now.
In fact, no — you click on the little symbol in the top right-hand corner and you get the whole picture.
https://essentiels.bnf.fr/fr/image/84...
As you can see from what I've uploaded in Photos now.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/op...
I hope this debacle will lead to more nuanced conversations and less shouting and screaming - I'm right. My way or the highway.

Canto 2 is very good, some passages grim, others sweet and beautiful. Juan is the sole survivor of a shipwreck, the tribulations of the others described in g..."
"Haidée and Juan married not, though the fault is theirs, not mine"

Like the Seaton series, it is set in Scotland (as of course you can see from the title!) It begins in 1716 with a group of captured Jacobites trying to escape in London, then goes to the aftermath of the Battle of Culloden. The main story follows Iain MacGillivray, wounded at Culloden, who now wants to concentrate on his bookselling, but his grandmother has different ideas ...


I have some of those on my digital tbr pile. You are tempting me to give them a try.
giveusaclue wrote: "Gpfr wrote: "I really like S.G. MacLean's historical series..."
You are tempting me to give them a try"
You really should :)
You are tempting me to give them a try"
You really should :)

That is pretty cool - wonder if and when it'll happen here?..."
Oh, Tam, what a pain, another wait.
I’ve been really struggling these last few weeks trying to get an early scan because I have lost so much vision lately. Even sent in a letter of complaint to try again but no joy, felt As if I should give up trying to save some sight in my bad eye.
Then today a wonderful orthoptist rang and sorted it all out, the first one to help and I have an appointments
on Saturday morning. I was dumbstruck by her efficiency and help.
Let’s hope you get a quick appointment.

That is pretty cool - wonder if and when it'll ..."
Yes is isn't much fun when everything is dragged out for so long... Good news for you that someone has taken the time out to be helpful. We did get some good news today though. We saw a doctor about Dave's high blood pressure. She has put him on some pills from now on, but we got the go-ahead to book flights for Barcelona, to see Ivan, Ol and Daria for Christmas, so we can now go. It was very much a close run thing...

Sadly covid is ravaging my local area, in just two days of my volunteering at an old folks day centre, six cases have been detected in the centre, which is unheard of. Looks like my immunity from my October dose of covid will be tested
the neices and nephews are descending on weekend, my parents place will be agog with little creatures.
Still enjoying Viet Journal by James Jones, about to finish The Patriots by James Barlow and also started another noir thriller from Pascal garnier The Panda Theory

Sadly covid is ravaging my local area, in just two days of my volunteering at an old folks day centre, six cases have been detected in the centre, which is unheard of. Looks like my immunity from my October dose of covid will be tested"
Even my 99th covid vaccine didn't stop me getting my 2nd dose 4 weeks later! 😡

Sadly covid is ravaging my local area, in just two days of my volunteering at an old folks day centre, six cases have been detected in the centre, which is unheard of. Looks like my i..."
as i'm under 50 and have no underlying health conditions, my last jab was in 2021, my third, so i would imagine if my antibodies have gone since late Oct....i will fall foul of covid again!

Sadly covid is ravaging my local area, in just two days of my volunteering at an old folks day centre, six cases have been detected in the centre, which is unheard..."
But it won't be as bad!

Sadly covid is ravaging my local area, in just two days of my volunteering at an old folks day centre, six cases have been detected in the centre, whi..."
i hope not...aghhhh

I listened to tne NYT's The Daily in the car today. It gives a great backstory on the University President's debacle before that Committee - https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/13/po...
I say - well worth a listen.

I listened to tne NYT's The Daily in the car today. I..."
thanks MK

I listened to tne NYT's The Daily in the car today. I..."
I listened to this earlier today. I would have liked the witnesses to have been better prepared to take the fight to the Congressional questioners, such as bringing up Stefanik's own flirtations with "replacement theory" as mentioned in the podcast. But having read quite a bit about the role of university presidents in the past few days, it seems that one of their main jobs is making nice to rich assholes who contribute to their universities, so as a group they would seem particularly unsuitable for that kind of confrontation.

I listened to tne NYT's The Daily in the c..."
they should have been ready for right wing attack dogs like Stefanik but it seems the Jewish question was something they felt they had "right" and if so, its delusional. The Harvard woman was a joke, painful to watch....

I listened to tne NYT's The Daily in the c..."
It looks like there really is an Ivy Tower. I find it very difficult to think that they had never taken the time to look at the Jan 6 hearings. it must be a different world.
Shortlists for the Stanfords travel writing awards — some very tempting books here:
https://www.stanfords.co.uk/edward-st...
https://www.stanfords.co.uk/edward-st...

China Mievilles interesting study of the writing, reception and status of the Communist Manifesto was a chance find and is already a favourite. Entitled A Spectre Haunting he looks at this slim volume, written almost 200 years ago, which inspired good deeds and foul ones in equal measure. I am not a Marxist but i love reading about big Karlo and still havent read enough of his less famous essays and journalism, i've been sloppy
Elsewhere i have started another Pascal Garnier novel The Panda Theory set in a autumnal breton town, its realism, brevity and rather haunting so far. I think i got into Garnier via TLS and really enjoyed Low Heights, though The Islanders less so
Next classic fiction is Saul Bellow's debut novel Dangling Man from 1944. I have only read one other of his novels The Victim which i liked

Excellent news.
A sort-of suggestion for anyone else caught out with vision problems (I have no idea if this would have helped you, CCC...) - in the UK, opticians give free eye tests to those who are 60 or over. My mother's sight was deteriorating, and so she went for an eye test - the very young optician found nothing much wrong. Things got worse and so only a few weeks later, I took her to another optician - much more experienced - who diagnosed macular degeneration and referred her to a hospital opthalmologist. (Good) opticians can get you seen quickly if there is an emergency situation, e.g. a detached retina.

Well, good luck with that - I strongly disliked it. A silly story IMO, and made all the dafter by having a denouement on a seaside cliff (iirc, the sea had never been mentioned up to that point - and as someone who has lived in seaside towns and cities for 60 years, I can testify that you ALWAYS know the sea is there, even if you can't see it!). Having checked it out on Amazon, I was amazed to see that some found it funny.
I didn't.
But - let us know what you think!
(Another grumble - Simenon describes settings in an incomparable way - it is suggested that Garner does the same. But, no - the 'Breton town' described by Garnier rang wholly false.)
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Neo-liberalism Is I think more of an economic doctrine associated with ideas like free trade, reliance on open markets, austerity budgets, privitisation of public enterprises including basic services such as education, transport, utilities, and a minimal role for the state.
So although like most such labels there is some measure of fluidity to them they are not entirely open. For example, someone like Trump is neither a neo-con (since he's more of an isolationist in some respects) nor neo-liberal (since he favours protectionsm over so-called free trade).