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Book Clubs! > Vagabond Treehouse (2023) [Beware of Chicken 3 - December 4th]

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message 2951: by Timelord Iain, Tech Support (new) - rated it 5 stars

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Emily wrote: "Timelord Iain wrote: "I really liked the Clocktaur War, but it's really just 2 halves of a single story... I had to continue almost immediately...

Wizard's Guide to Defensive Baking was a fun YA s..."


The whole premise for the book reminds me of this trailer I saw for one of the Magic the Gathering product storylines... check it out... the story is a wild ride: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JZ-e...

I haven't played MTG in a decade... I think youtube recommended that random vid a few years ago...


message 2952: by Nirkatze (last edited Jun 29, 2022 09:38PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Nirkatze | 21041 comments WORM & Defensive Baking sound interesting... will have to add to list. :)

@Emily, re: Red Rising--I totally sympathize! I did a reread last year and stalled out halfway through Dark Age... still haven't finished it. It's just too dark with everything going on right now... and I say that even as I read WoT, Malazan, Faithful and the Fallen, and more grim books.

The St. Mary's books are a nice humorous break.


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Choko (chokog) | 12597 comments Iain, that review makes sense on its own, but I have no idea if it can be applied to that particular book or any books as a whole... Of course you have to have a certain maturity level to read some things, this is a given. Even I have been temporarily scarred by books, if I hadn't been prepared or mature enough for them... But to say that a book, particularly one that is obviously fiction, can throw your life on a path of crime and destruction, this goes too far, and especially with the examples he gives... It is too much, but still has made me interested in listening to the book though:))) Thanks for bringing the example here!:)


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It was like the guy/gal wrote an essay for class on how kids are impressionable, and just pasted it in a book review...

The other reviews are all: my kids seemed to enjoy this in the car...


message 2955: by Narilka (new) - rated it 5 stars

Narilka | 5694 comments Well crud. I was planning to join the July Red Rising BR but maybe not. I'm really not in the mood for anything too dark right now. I ended up skipping the Jonathan Maberry book for now because it's grimdark.


message 2956: by Choko (new) - rated it 4 stars

Choko (chokog) | 12597 comments The stuff going on in our country right now... I understand why you guys don't want anything dark and depressing... It feels like we are marching backwards...:(((


Nirkatze | 21041 comments True words. I keep hoping that the current age of close-mindedness will spawn a next generation of super open-ness in reaction...


Nirkatze | 21041 comments Just finished St. Mary's 4.5 Christmas Present.

The first few shorts--The Very First Damned Thing and A Child is Born I could take or leave--they seemed more like deleted scenes than proper short stories. But the latter ones--Roman Holiday and Christmas Present I really like!

My favorite turn of phrase in this short was "he was built like a brick shit-house." Going to have to remember that one.

I just started book 5, No Time Like the Past, and the events of this short story cover a change at St. Mary's that is mentioned in the first chapter: (view spoiler)

One thing that is bothering me somewhat about these books--has history ever actually been successfully changed? It seems like the safeguards--whether it be deadly happenstance (established in the very first story) or Cleo using St. Mary's, are pretty effective. Which argues that history cannot be changed, and anything they do is as it is written, etc. etc... but Max spends a disproportionate amount of time worrying over the logicalness of things in illogical ways. Book 5, Chapter 6ish, (view spoiler)


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Choko (chokog) | 12597 comments I haven't gotten there yet, but as we have been saying all along, I think the series mostly gives us possible outcomes with time travel and not that many answers... If you really start thinking about any series about time travel, you would be in trouble... It is too speculative of a problem to have many good solutions....


Nirkatze | 21041 comments I think my issue with it is less the loopholes and potholes with time travel, and more the amount of time the main characters spend thinking about it--and thinking wrong. I could ignore it if they didn't bring it up themselves!

St. Mary's #5 No Time Like the Past

Chapter 8 (view spoiler)

Bitch-Face Barkley aftermath (view spoiler)

And finished! Nice bit of history in the ending!


message 2961: by Timelord Iain, Tech Support (new) - rated it 5 stars

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I mean... that's St. Mary's in a nutshell...

#4 is definitely better on the romantic drama front that 1-3, but there's still the hiccups, like when Max jumps to "throw me out" instead of "remove the tracker"...

Or has random thoughts of "Leon left me again" when it was for a perfectly valid plot reason this time...


message 2962: by Timelord Iain, Tech Support (new) - rated it 5 stars

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My headcanon, that makes about 90% of the series "logical", is that Maxwell is some special Avatar of the Fates, and basically anything she does, is for the betterment of the timeline... but it doesn't explain the few times that is contradicted...

I guess you can write off the first jump, when the rock fell, as still being in training, and not really having met Mrs. Patridge yet, and being given carte blanch?...

Or (view spoiler)

On the topic of actual changes to the timeline... it comes close once or twice... I can't remember if the Shakespeare thing counts with the horny rapey dude... but I think there's another instance later on, where they're fleeing fog that represents the end of an old timeline, as they try to fix the timeline before it's completely rewritten? I think (view spoiler)

I think there's also a Time Cop plotline (not to be confused with the Time Police... I mean the Jean Claude Van Damme movie)... where the MC returns to St. Mary's and things have changed... specifically (view spoiler)... but I can't remember if that's a timeline change, or just something that happened while Maxwell was away on a jump... I think that's book 6 or 7... the one where Maxwell revamps the training program...

Let a timey-wimey series run long enough, and all the tropes will be toyed with... it's like fantasy shows and "you were in a mental institution all along" episodes...


Tonari no Emily (emlfem) | 5115 comments Timelord Iain wrote: "Emily wrote: "Timelord Iain wrote: "I really liked the Clocktaur War, but it's really just 2 halves of a single story... I had to continue almost immediately...

Wizard's Guide to Defensive Baking ..."


I keep getting interrupted trying to watch that! But yeah I kept thinking about the gingerbread man from Shrek and those gingerbread people look so much like the one from Shrek :D


Tonari no Emily (emlfem) | 5115 comments Narilka wrote: "Well crud. I was planning to join the July Red Rising BR but maybe not. I'm really not in the mood for anything too dark right now. I ended up skipping the Jonathan Maberry book for now because it'..."

I was planning on taking the Red Rising read nice and slow if that helps.. One book per month to put us on schedule for the new release at the end of the year..
But I can definitely understand, it's a struggle right now.


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Narilka | 5694 comments I only own the first Red Rising book so how I liked it would determine if I wanted to continue the series. I haven't fully decided. I could read a couple chapters and if it's darker than I'd like just set it aside for later.


Nirkatze | 21041 comments Timelord Iain wrote: "My headcanon, that makes about 90% of the series "logical", is that Maxwell is some special Avatar of the Fates, and basically anything she does, is for the betterment of the timeline... but it doe..."

I like your headcannon, Iain, I will steal for my own peace of mind.


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Choko (chokog) | 12597 comments Iain, that actually makes sense to me too. I like it:)))


message 2968: by Timelord Iain, Tech Support (new) - rated it 5 stars

Timelord Iain | 35338 comments Mod
Happy to help... it's an idea that's been floating around in my head for awhile, but became fully articulated a few weeks ago... not sure I typed it on here before now, tho...


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Narilka | 5694 comments @Iain - I saw Anne Bishop revealed the cover of her next book. It's going to be another Black Jewels novel :( Maybe she'll swap back to The Others in 2024.


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Narilka wrote: "@Iain - I saw Anne Bishop revealed the cover of her next book. It's going to be another Black Jewels novel :( Maybe she'll swap back to The Others in 2024."

She really seems to be back on a Black Jewels kick... I wish she'd just left it ended... or not gone so scorched Earth the first time she ended the series, because it's the root of all the problems with the new books, in my opinion... if not how history is basically repeating itself, with the corrupt world vs the main characters...


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Choko (chokog) | 12597 comments I didn't even realize there were new books in the Black Jewels novels!!!! When did that happen???


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Choko (chokog) | 12597 comments St. Mary's #5... Up to Ch. 9... (view spoiler)


message 2973: by Timelord Iain, Tech Support (last edited Jul 02, 2022 11:09AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

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Last couple years... they're not good...

Anne Bishop kinda can't make up her mind what she's trying to do... because fans don't like what she tried to do...

First she had Daemon & Surreal together, with Jaenelle dead after #9, in the first new book... then she scrapped that, which leaves Daemon in a situation where he kinda loves this child that is the reborn soul of Jaenelle...

And new weaker versions of the big bad from the original series are cropping up, trying to bring back the old days of controlling men with magic and sexually traumatizing strong magic women to keep power...

I only read #10 and watched the trainwreck as some people read #11...

Narilka can probably give a more coherent answer as to what's going on... or Soo, if she was around...

EDIT: actually... it looks like Soo never read #11... and Narilka DNF'd around 40%?... but Nirkatze rated it 5 stars... so it'll be interesting, next time she visits :D


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Choko (chokog) | 12597 comments Wow! Now I am intrigued to see how I would feel about it... Such different reactions from people always makes me read it myself to see what leads to them...


message 2975: by Timelord Iain, Tech Support (new) - rated it 5 stars

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Choko wrote: "St. Mary's #5... Up to Ch. 9... [spoilers removed]"

Markham only gets better and better... he finally gets his own POV short story/novella around book 7-8... My Name is Markham... the best cliffhanger ending too... drops a humdinger of a personal reveal on Maxwell and the crackpots...


Tonari no Emily (emlfem) | 5115 comments Nirkatze wrote: "Just finished St. Mary's 4.5 Christmas Present.

The first few shorts--The Very First Damned Thing and A Child is Born I could take or leave--they seemed more like deleted scenes than proper short ..."

A Child is Born definitely didn't have any main plot points for the series, but I'm so glad I listened because I couldn't stop laughing at the liver part!!! I think my coworker thought I was going crazy 🤣
(But we did have another instance where "history" made sure an important event happened.. **just going with it**)

And yeah Christmas Present is pretty important to the story because (view spoiler)


I understand what you mean by the characters dwelling on the time travel paradoxes and whatnot-- it brings my attention to the illogicalness of it all... And for people who are supposed to be really smart, they sure do overlook a lot of things.. And is mostly 'splained away by "Oh that St. Mary's bunch" lol
But I like Iain's headcanon :))


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Choko (chokog) | 12597 comments I love all the short stories so far, and Christmas Gift was definitely the best! But as Emily said, the placenta moment in the first story was priceless:))))


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Choko (chokog) | 12597 comments Iain, I am looking forward to Markham 's story:))) He is one of my favorites and I plan on not missing even a single short story:)))


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Choko (chokog) | 12597 comments St. Mary 's #5... Up to Ch. 12... (view spoiler)


message 2980: by Timelord Iain, Tech Support (new) - rated it 5 stars

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I'll reserve my vote until I re-read the scenes, but if it's true, that's some real soap opera writing right there...


message 2981: by Timelord Iain, Tech Support (last edited Jul 02, 2022 01:07PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

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UGH... I'm so hard to satisfy, these days...

I tried some more of them Audible Originals, and abandoned the push to clear old backlog, because they all seem to have sound effects and short rushed stories (shorter when sound effects replace plot space)...

Then I started Jake's Magical Market, but didn't make it very far... the fact there still isn't a second book in the series doesn't seem like a good sign to me, either... LitRPG authors usually churn out content fast... it's a weird LitRPG Card Battler hybrid... seems ripe for comic book, with the card visuals...

Speaking of comic books... I think I want to read Any Minor World soon... very soon... no news on Audible, and I checked the book out on Kindle Unlimited over a month ago... maybe as soon as later today...


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Choko (chokog) | 12597 comments I will read Any Minor World with you, Iain. I am sorry about the rest of the stuff... Today for some reason I decided I would like to rewatch the Firefly series and eventually get through the movie, Serenity, too... it has been a while since I have watched them...


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I started Any Minor World... something I saw in a review had me on high alert... and then early events in the story got me suspicious...

When the name of the author of the manuscript was given, I did a quick Google search and confirmed...

This series isn't a new standalone series/universe... it's connected to everything in the Faust/Black/Revanche/Wisdom's Grave series, however loosely... possibly continuing the story of the big baddie of overarching story... the original story arc ended, but there were clearly some loose threads floating around in the multiverse (and this could easily end up being in another dimension)...

(view spoiler)

I think you guys' can read this, even if you haven't read the other stuff... it's a bit noir, and a generally separate story suitable for new audiences... just a bit of an Easter Egg for Schaefer fans, so far... unless that changes later on...

Mr. Smith (view spoiler)


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Read up to chapter 8 now...

Mr. Smith (view spoiler)

Saunders: (view spoiler)

Roy: (view spoiler)

Connections: I've already connected this series to Schaefer's main series with Faust and the gang... but I dunno what to make of the fact the book used the word Hungry and Dreaming so close together at the end of chapter 6... that's the title of a spinoff book to another Schaefer series that is 100% NOT connected to Faust (as far as I know)... but which DOES kinda have similar ideas to this, with a malleable storybook world (only more mythological and timey-wimey)...

This book is also going all over the place... 6 states in 8 chapters... 7 if you include the 2 comic book chapters set in Noir York / New York (and that's another thing... it took me half a chapter to realize we'd jumped into the comic book story for a bit)...


Tonari no Emily (emlfem) | 5115 comments Choko wrote: "St. Mary 's #5... Up to Ch. 12... [spoilers removed]"

I'm so torn on that! I was convinced up until Leon said it wasn't true... (view spoiler)


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Narilka | 5694 comments Timelord Iain wrote: "Last couple years... they're not good...

Anne Bishop kinda can't make up her mind what she's trying to do... because fans don't like what she tried to do...

First she had Daemon & Surreal togethe..."


I still have #11 sitting on my desk unfinished. It's in 2 star territory. I'm debating skimming it to the end. The Lucivar family slice of life scenes are great. The Surreal/Daemon/Jeanelle Satien is not so great. I went and opened some spoiler reviews and doesn't seem like it's going to get much better but I hate giving up on an author I normally like.


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Choko (chokog) | 12597 comments Emily, I hear you on that... I kind of was hoping she isn't, because otherwise it is horrible...

Narilka, that sucks. This is still one of those series I have very fond memories from. I don't want it to go bad... But obviously there are issues with it:(((


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Choko (chokog) | 12597 comments Iain, I am up to Ch. 5 of Any Minor World... (view spoiler)


message 2989: by Timelord Iain, Tech Support (new) - rated it 5 stars

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I need to go to sleep soon, but it's hard to stop reading... I'm loving everything about this book... I've always been a big Schaefer fan... up to chapter 22 and 40-50% now...


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Choko (chokog) | 12597 comments Wow! You are reading it on the Kindle too, right? How are you doing it so fast? You are amazing:)))

I love Schaefer too:))) I haven't read everything, but I have made a pretty good dent... And this is very much what we have come to expect from her, haven't we? It is good to be back in her universe:)))


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Choko (chokog) | 12597 comments St. Mary 's #5... I really enjoyed it! I am so glad they (view spoiler)

Overall, another really enjoyable read! So happy we are reading the series!!!


message 2992: by Timelord Iain, Tech Support (new) - rated it 5 stars

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Just no distraction, which is kinda rare for me and why I don't do ebooks much anymore... if a book isn't gripping me good, it's too easy to pause and waste time on the internet/etc...


Nirkatze | 21041 comments Timelord Iain wrote: "Last couple years... they're not good...

Anne Bishop kinda can't make up her mind what she's trying to do... because fans don't like what she tried to do...

First she had Daemon & Surreal togethe..."


I hated #10, but #11 was more in line with her usual writing, I thought. And Jaenelle Jr. is definitely not Jaenelle's soul reborn... #11 fixed most of the problems #10 had, I thought, and made some interesting choices. I think my rating system has gotten harsher since joining FBR, so I don't know if it'd stand up to 5 stars today, but I do remember devouring it with normal gusto rather than the pained feelings I had with #10.

As for the Black Jewels side novels, I really liked the Shalador Nehele ones, and was ok with the other standalones. I really love the world concepts, but would like to see more stories like Shalador ones.


Tonari no Emily (emlfem) | 5115 comments Choko wrote: "St. Mary 's #5... I really enjoyed it!"

(view spoiler)


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Choko (chokog) | 12597 comments Nirkatze, thank you for the info on the Black Jewels! I have to catch up with it eventually...

Emily, Right?! That was hilarious:) She is such a hot mess, everyone knows she is totally irrational when it comes to emotions and plan for contingencies, just in case:)))


message 2996: by Timelord Iain, Tech Support (new) - rated it 5 stars

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Still halfway on Any Minor World... got home from work yesterday, got sleepy, and lay down and slept for most of 12hrs...


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Choko (chokog) | 12597 comments Iain, same here... I can't get enough sleep for some reason... I think it's our Midwestern heat, it just leaches the energy out of you..


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Brian | 1681 comments You both should move to Western Washington State. It’s 55 degrees and cloud with a chance of rain . Perfect July weather. Lol


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Brian wrote: "You both should move to Western Washington State. It’s 55 degrees and cloud with a chance of rain . Perfect July weather. Lol"

That's like the only place getting that weather...

I think depression causes extra sleeping, too... not saying that's the thing, but I've been known to sleep prodigious amounts sometimes... I tend to balance/ruin it with days I stay up way too late and only get 3-5hrs of sleep... or nap and then stay up through the night...

It's better and worse now that I work 4am to 12:30pm, vs the decade I spent working 9pm to 6am or some variation of that (+/- 1hr, it shifted as they tried different inventory systems/strategies)...


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Choko (chokog) | 12597 comments Brian, that sounds awesome! However, I don't think I can afford the price of living in WA or Alaska... Homes are insanely high...


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