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Is this a possible COVID endgame?
Just one quick other thought...imagine if our Government had given the furlough and covid advertising money to the NHS instead. Wow! What a health system that'd be!
Beau wrote: "Just one quick other thought...imagine if our Government had given the furlough and covid advertising money to the NHS instead. Wow! What a health system that'd be!"Yes - if we had 10 years to train a consultant, 5 + for junior doctor 4 plus for a nurse and other degree based clinicians. Then 15 to 20 years to build a normal hospital (based on current planning rules and NIMBY plus the usual don't close our ancient inefficient Victorian monolith because I'll have to travel 5 miles more to get to new purpose built one)
As with any major Gov spending (See Biden or Trump trillions) on infrastructure time is not conducive - Heathrow for example 40 years in planning and still not a single turf cut for 3rd runway (not that I would build it at all)
Health spending in UK has grown every year since 1948 - think I posted that before. NHS employs over 1 million directly and still can't get waiting lists down because too many do not deliver healthcare.... Next time you see a news clip of a ward or A&E reception look at how many are standing around filling in paperwork...
Beau wrote: "I’ll say this for you, Philip, you might err on the side of covid conventional thinking but you’ve got a brilliant analytical mind.Last year, I read a fascinating article by an anonymous NHS nurs..."
Yes my wife does on PPE precautions even when most of country is now mask free including shops and restaurants - that said my flu jab at local GP was amazingly fast and efficient - which shows it can be done if well organised. Most A&Es I have seen resemble lottery of inefficiency
Philip wrote: "Next time you see a news clip of a ward or A&E reception look at how many are standing around filling in paperwork."
Good points but imagine the sort of NHS that future generations would enjoy. On your point I've highlighted above, same problems for the police, teachers, and every other essential occupation.
Good points but imagine the sort of NHS that future generations would enjoy. On your point I've highlighted above, same problems for the police, teachers, and every other essential occupation.
Papaphilly wrote: "Scout wrote: "To be clear, the info in Message 41 was to inform you guys about why some in the U.S. refuse vaccines. Personally, I've had two shots and a booster. This was a decision based on prote..."This reply has nothing to do with what I posted.
Beau wrote: "Stay safe, Papaphilly. Remember, always grill steak."ALWAYS 8^)
Papaphilly wrote: "Beau wrote: "Stay safe, Papaphilly. Remember, always grill steak."
ALWAYS 8^)"
Good man :) My other half is a vegetarian, so I always have to grill my meat or put it in the oven. I'm not allowed to fry it because of the smell. Don't tell, J, but she puts soya milk in my tea too ;)
ALWAYS 8^)"
Good man :) My other half is a vegetarian, so I always have to grill my meat or put it in the oven. I'm not allowed to fry it because of the smell. Don't tell, J, but she puts soya milk in my tea too ;)
Beau wrote: "Don't tell, J, but she puts soya milk in my tea too ;)"It's OK. You're British.
Thanks, J. You live up to the title compassionate conservative. In the years we've been together, I've gone from eating meat 7 days a week to 3 or 4. I actually feel better for it but possibly slightly weaker.
I must admit, I was a bit worried when we went out for lunch over the weekend and, without thinking, I asked the waitress for soya in my tea. There's a lesson against complacency and becoming soft for us all there. It slowly creeps up on you.
I must admit, I was a bit worried when we went out for lunch over the weekend and, without thinking, I asked the waitress for soya in my tea. There's a lesson against complacency and becoming soft for us all there. It slowly creeps up on you.
Not that I'm aware of. It's an urban myth that soya gives you covid.
It's just a source of exogenous estrogen.
J. wrote: "Beau wrote: "Don't tell, J, but she puts soya milk in my tea too ;)"It's OK. You're British."
I just do not get the milk in the tea thing at all.
Beau wrote: "Not that I'm aware of. It's an urban myth that soya gives you covid."No its not, I read that on a thread in a conspiracy website. It is a Communist threat to unify the world through soy domination.....
Papaphilly wrote: "No its not, I read that on a thread in a conspiracy website. It is a Communist threat to unify the world through soy domination....."
Papaphilly, people will be thinking you and I are plumbing new depths with this conversation. Little will many of them know that you are speaking the truth. And, no, I don't agree with the theory but I do still take J's warning onboard :)
Papaphilly, people will be thinking you and I are plumbing new depths with this conversation. Little will many of them know that you are speaking the truth. And, no, I don't agree with the theory but I do still take J's warning onboard :)
Beau wrote: "Papaphilly wrote: "No its not, I read that on a thread in a conspiracy website. It is a Communist threat to unify the world through soy domination....."Papaphilly, people will be thinking you and..."
Still do not get the tea and milk thing....8^)
Papaphilly wrote: "Still do not get the tea and milk thing....8^)"
Tea lovers, like me, only take a small amount of milk and no sugar. It tastes best out of a teapot. Twinings, Yorkshire Tea and Whittard of Chelsea make the best tea bags. Real connoisseurs use loose-leaf tea and a tea strainer, but it's a lot of faffing around.
People who drink tea but don't really appreciate the flavour buy cheaper teabags and take more milk plus sugar.
Tea lovers, like me, only take a small amount of milk and no sugar. It tastes best out of a teapot. Twinings, Yorkshire Tea and Whittard of Chelsea make the best tea bags. Real connoisseurs use loose-leaf tea and a tea strainer, but it's a lot of faffing around.
People who drink tea but don't really appreciate the flavour buy cheaper teabags and take more milk plus sugar.
Beau wrote: "Papaphilly wrote: "Still do not get the tea and milk thing....8^)"Tea lovers, like me, only take a small amount of milk and no sugar. It tastes best out of a teapot. Twinings, Yorkshire Tea and W..."
Some heathens drink it iced from cans its the end of civilisation I tell you... :-/
Philip, I've done it too. But only on the odd occasion a few years' ago. Sorry :(
Personally, I'm less interested in which teas get milk than in how y'all went from being the empire that gave us Rule 303 to being a nation obsessed with the welfare of little furry things, in a single century.
J. wrote: "Personally, I'm less interested in which teas get milk than in how y'all went from being the empire that gave us Rule 303 to being a nation obsessed with the welfare of little furry things, in a si..."There would be a very long list but effectively wars bankrupt the nation. The stupidity of WWI destroyed the population and its consensus not to mention the Treasury. WWII doubled down and put UK in debt (to USA which wanted UK influence gone as they wanted to be top dog (And have been since)
There was much less willingness to serve your country - a way out of poverty for many during empire.
Now we have 5th/6th largest economy and a over-reliance on welfare state and government bureaucracy which has been shown in COVID to be poor and inefficient run by poor and inefficient politicians.
J. wrote: "Personally, I'm less interested in which teas get milk than in how y'all went from being the empire that gave us Rule 303 to being a nation obsessed with the welfare of little furry things, in a si..."
The more recent the empire, the quicker its collapse. If you think ours unravelled quickly, wait till you see what’s about to happen to yours.
On topic, the covid endgame is to turn the human race into QR codes.
The more recent the empire, the quicker its collapse. If you think ours unravelled quickly, wait till you see what’s about to happen to yours.
On topic, the covid endgame is to turn the human race into QR codes.
The mentality must've played a role too. Brits and Canadiens let break up referenda go, while look how Spain and others react...
The common features of the decline of most empires is debt, the concentration of wealth in too few hands, and a more powerful competitor. The US is testing option 1 and 2, but 3 is outside any other nation's scope in the foreseeable future. Never in the past have we seen a situation where a war between major contenders leads to total destruction of both (and most everyone else) so my view is the past cannot predict or even act as a guide to our future. My guess, though, is the prospects for the UK are better than the long term prospects of the EU, although with a certain Sturgeon in the mix, that could be all wrong too.
Ian wrote: "The common features of the decline of most empires is debt, the concentration of wealth in too few hands, and a more powerful competitor. The US is testing option 1 and 2, but 3 is outside any othe..."It isn't so much the concentration of wealth as it is the stifling of caste mobility. So long as the bulk of a society is meritocratic, the bureaucracy will be able to adapt to new crises. Once the Patricians become too ensconced to remove, the system stagnates and becomes increasingly incapable of dealing with the New.
That's a good point, J. What tends to happen is the patricians get idle and self-centred and stop thinking about any other caste.
Beau wrote: "J. wrote: "Personally, I'm less interested in which teas get milk than in how y'all went from being the empire that gave us Rule 303 to being a nation obsessed with the welfare of little furry thin..."BAH, and be replaced by who?
Philip said: "Now we have 5th/6th largest economy and a over-reliance on welfare state and government bureaucracy which has been shown in COVID to be poor and inefficient run by poor and inefficient politicians." Do you think this is where the US is headed with the move toward socialism?
Papaphilly wrote: "BAH, and be replaced by who?"
Nobody, China or a world government. The people who are working towards their covid endgame favour option 3.
Nobody, China or a world government. The people who are working towards their covid endgame favour option 3.
Beau wrote: "Papaphilly wrote: "BAH, and be replaced by who?"Nobody, China or a world government. The people who are working towards their covid endgame favour option 3."
And you wonder why I think you are paranoid....
I'd do a bit more research into the backgrounds and ideals of the politicians and some of the world's most powerful people who have been pushing this extraordinary response to covid, if I were you, Papaphilly.
They have a lot of things in common, and a belief in the nation state isn't one of them.
They have a lot of things in common, and a belief in the nation state isn't one of them.
Actually, Beau, the belief in the nation state IS one of them. Look at the response in Austria. Calmly following the EU dictates? The Netherlands is similar. A number of others have been strongly advocating restrictions within their borders
Ian wrote: "Actually, Beau, the belief in the nation state IS one of them. Look at the response in Austria. Calmly following the EU dictates? The Netherlands is similar. A number of others have been strongly a..."
This is the covid END GAME thread, Ian. If you think the Blairs, Clintons, Obamas, Bidens, Macrons, Trudeaus and Arderns (and their backers, of course) of this world believe in the nation state then you're very much mistaken.
This is the covid END GAME thread, Ian. If you think the Blairs, Clintons, Obamas, Bidens, Macrons, Trudeaus and Arderns (and their backers, of course) of this world believe in the nation state then you're very much mistaken.
Beau, my comment on Austria and the Netherlands were both government responses to increased Covid. Oh, and if you think this is the END GAME thread, maybe we should cancel it because there is no evidence the endgame is anywhere in sight. As I understand it there is a new variant coming out of Africa and I gather the UK has stopped flights to and from there. (Our news this evening. Could be wrong.)Can't speak for most of those leaders, but since you mention Ardern, she has been criticised for having a "hermit kingdom" philosophy, which is at least suggestive that, by stopping people coming from elsewhere and enforcing a border, she believes in the nation state.
END GAME. Ardern is a globalist. Along with similar leaders, she is busy destroying her nation state in preparation for the New World Order and its one-world government.
Beau wrote: "I'd do a bit more research into the backgrounds and ideals of the politicians and some of the world's most powerful people who have been pushing this extraordinary response to covid, if I were you,..."OK,
Lets play the game. Show me the world government. Show me how we are under one group running the world. Who is in charge? Illuminati? Tri-Lateral Commision? UFO's?
Papaphilly wrote: "OK,
Lets play the game. Show me the world government. Show me how we are under one group running the world. Who is in charge? Illuminati? Tri-Lateral Commision? UFO's?
I’ll have a go…
The argument is that if you trace the ownership of the world’s biggest, seemingly unrelated corporations, including the media, a very small number of people actually own them. This group of people are known as the digital-financial complex. (I’ve heard that Ian is a member ;))
Because of their immense wealth, this group are essentially the world’s real movers and shakers, and have the power to make life very difficult for any independent nation state. Therefore, elected politicians have to act according to their requirements. I’m not saying the politicians can’t make any decisions, but they must always be within the parameters set by the digital-financial complex.
In recent years, the global economy has been in serious trouble for a variety of reasons. This is obviously a threat to the digital-financial complex, which is now urgently trying to protect its position. What’s more, with the world moving into a new age of technology, this provides opportunities for the digital-financial complex to not only maintain its wealth and power, but to increase it to previously undreamt-of levels. In other words, to have it all.
Also, in recent years, a significant number of our politicians, bureaucrats, businessman, media owners and other influencers, tied together by a shared vision of one-world government, and personally greedy to a man and woman, have emerged in some of the world’s other most powerful positions. Their vision for the future and personal ambition have made them the natural bedfellows of the digital-financial complex.
For the above groups to achieve their aims, they need to destroy the world’s nation states, middle classes, small and medium-sized businesses, independent thought and anything else that has some degree of autonomy from them. In the short term, this means the rest of the human race will become little more than slaves, completely reliant on their new digital-financial complex masters for their survival.
The longer-term goal is depopulation because once artificial intelligence is sufficiently advanced to do the world's work, the masses will no longer be required, leaving the digital-financial complex to enjoy all of the world’s resources for themselves.
Covid has not been the catalyst for any of this, but it has been a useful tool in subjugating people enough to introduce some of the digital-financial complex’s ideas such as digital passports, universal basic income, social credit scoring, lockdowns, mask wearing, and other tools of fear and control into the mainstream. It is the start of a very slippery slope for us all.
Once the digital-financial complex has pushed the covid campaign as far as they can, the next big scare will be manmade climate change. I expect this campaign to be ramped up to terrifying levels.
Lets play the game. Show me the world government. Show me how we are under one group running the world. Who is in charge? Illuminati? Tri-Lateral Commision? UFO's?
I’ll have a go…
The argument is that if you trace the ownership of the world’s biggest, seemingly unrelated corporations, including the media, a very small number of people actually own them. This group of people are known as the digital-financial complex. (I’ve heard that Ian is a member ;))
Because of their immense wealth, this group are essentially the world’s real movers and shakers, and have the power to make life very difficult for any independent nation state. Therefore, elected politicians have to act according to their requirements. I’m not saying the politicians can’t make any decisions, but they must always be within the parameters set by the digital-financial complex.
In recent years, the global economy has been in serious trouble for a variety of reasons. This is obviously a threat to the digital-financial complex, which is now urgently trying to protect its position. What’s more, with the world moving into a new age of technology, this provides opportunities for the digital-financial complex to not only maintain its wealth and power, but to increase it to previously undreamt-of levels. In other words, to have it all.
Also, in recent years, a significant number of our politicians, bureaucrats, businessman, media owners and other influencers, tied together by a shared vision of one-world government, and personally greedy to a man and woman, have emerged in some of the world’s other most powerful positions. Their vision for the future and personal ambition have made them the natural bedfellows of the digital-financial complex.
For the above groups to achieve their aims, they need to destroy the world’s nation states, middle classes, small and medium-sized businesses, independent thought and anything else that has some degree of autonomy from them. In the short term, this means the rest of the human race will become little more than slaves, completely reliant on their new digital-financial complex masters for their survival.
The longer-term goal is depopulation because once artificial intelligence is sufficiently advanced to do the world's work, the masses will no longer be required, leaving the digital-financial complex to enjoy all of the world’s resources for themselves.
Covid has not been the catalyst for any of this, but it has been a useful tool in subjugating people enough to introduce some of the digital-financial complex’s ideas such as digital passports, universal basic income, social credit scoring, lockdowns, mask wearing, and other tools of fear and control into the mainstream. It is the start of a very slippery slope for us all.
Once the digital-financial complex has pushed the covid campaign as far as they can, the next big scare will be manmade climate change. I expect this campaign to be ramped up to terrifying levels.
Papaphilly wrote: "Lets play the game. Show me the world government. Show me how we are under one group running the world. Who is in charge? Illuminati? Tri-Lateral Commision? UFO's?"I'm sure that another would be far more eloquent, but here goes. It isn't one homogeneous entity that controls the minute details of our dreary lives. It is a group of people so ridiculously wealthy that all money is to them is a way to keep score of who's winning their game. As an example of this elite clique, meet George: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...
And don't ask too many questions about what George did during the war.
George is definitely tied up in it all. Another is Klaus Schwab, whose disciples include many of the world's current leading politicians, such as Macron and Merkel.
Two of the world's most high-profile events of the last 5 years gave the digital-financial complex a bloody nose: Trump and Brexit. They won't want anything like that happening again.
Our American friends saw the full power of this organisation when the entire US establishment and media were used against Trump, who, of course, had beat one of their own in 2016. There was no way he was going to be allowed to get away with that. We saw something similar over Brexit, but we lack the US's importance on the global stage so it wasn't going to be quite as bad.
Two of the world's most high-profile events of the last 5 years gave the digital-financial complex a bloody nose: Trump and Brexit. They won't want anything like that happening again.
Our American friends saw the full power of this organisation when the entire US establishment and media were used against Trump, who, of course, had beat one of their own in 2016. There was no way he was going to be allowed to get away with that. We saw something similar over Brexit, but we lack the US's importance on the global stage so it wasn't going to be quite as bad.
Beau wrote: "....one-world government...."If Put in presides, I'm game so not to upset Misericordia
My guess is that the good president has more autonomy over the digital financial complex than any other world leader. His relatively mainstream response to covid could have been personal opportunism for a financial/ power grab or to play it safe because if he'd dismissed the virus then Russians, seeing the rest of the world's response, could've asked uncomfortable questions of him if they had experienced an unusually high death toll.
So you guys think uber rich people are running the world? You do realize that is Tri-Lateral Commission conspiracy theory's repackaged?
Papaphilly wrote: "Lets play the game. Show me the world government. Show me how we are under one group running the world. Who is in charge? Illuminati? Tri-Lateral Commission? UFO's?.."[1] [First Metaphor] Consider the hunting tactics of lions, they shift in accordance with the prey. A pride of lions living next to antelope hunt differently than a pride of lions living next to water buffalo.
[1.a] The key take away is that tactics are driven as much, if not more, by the nature of the prey than by the predator.
Applied to humanity.
The framework of rulership is monolithic precisely because humans in groups behave in remarkably similar ways. From a group perspective, we're all antelopes. This results in a set toolbox for rule that has a given set of tools in it, such as violence, deception, bribery, pride, etc that target our specific vulnerabilities and strengths.
[1.b] The presence of a consistent monolithic framework 'can,' easily create the illusion that there 'must be,' a single ruler or very small group of rulers.
My personal position is that there is no single ruler and that the rulers contest with each other.
[2] [Second Metaphor] Consider a wolf pack. There is an alpha who rules the pack with a strict but mutable hierarchy. The pack gets things done and while the alpha eats first and best, all get to eat something.
[2.a] Hierarchies work.
My personal position is that human groups form hierarchies by default.
[ANALYSIS]
The operation of rulership within human communities favours* predators: people who are ruthless, deceptive and blessed with a killer instinct.
My personal position is that throughout history and still today, high-functioning psychopaths are over-represented in the ruling class.
*favours - but not all.
I would characterise our current system in the West as crypto-feudalism. I.e. Basically an evolution of medieval feudalism where there are Kings, Aristocrats, Professionals, and Peasants/Serfs, but it's hidden (not broadly and candidly acknowledged - hence 'crypto') behind a veneer of representative democracy.
The key shift in the ruling framework from the pre-industrial world to the modern world was the shift in the method of tithe. In the past, where most extractable economic value was produced from land, the rulers owned the land and the tenants paid the rent/tithe with the fruits of their labour. Now, with most people working off the land, that method doesn't work. The key change was from extracting rent from land to extracting interest from debt.
This tithing method was institutionalised with the establishment of the US Federal reserve (1913), and the ascension of the US Dollar to the world's reserve currency (1944). The US dollar is a full-fiat debt instrument that is literally loaned into existence. Interest payments are inevitable in such a system. All our currencies have the same architecture, full fiat, debt instruments designed to harvest the economic value of labour and push it toward the top of society.
We remain serfs.
We use tokens of debt to transact and save the value of our labour.
It's no accident that major shifts in the monetary system are accompanied by war.
It's no accident that total debt always grows in our current system.
The architecture of the monetary system like the architecture of any system is a reflection of the system's purpose. The power to define the monetary system is the foundational power for the operation of the other sovereign powers (definition of law, tax, organised violence, and belief) which occur as systems to maintain and exploit the monetary system.
[CONCLUSION]
Given the above, we live in an essentially feudalistic system where powerful uber-wealthy oligarchic plutocrats contest with each other for supremacy within a ruling framework that employs violence, deception, bribery and other actions to maintain a steep (and growing) hierarchy between the few 'haves,' and their enabling class, and the many 'have nots.'
Contra to the parasitic/predatory actions of the rulers, are the many good acts of the vast majority of people attending to the business of their daily lives, buttressed by traditions of charity, justice, liberty, and individual human rights, and codified in instruments and institutions such as the US constitution.
There are fault lines of conflict between different camps of the ruling elites. For example, the Chinese rulership is at odds with the West's Davos/WEF crowd in a battle for global supremacy that could well end in war.
The key challenge for our common futures is to what extent our current system will continue to centralize power and wealth into the hands of a few, or will counter-trends kick in and drive peripheralization and empowerment of the edge vs the center.
Papaphilly wrote: "So you guys think uber rich people are running the world? You do realize that is Tri-Lateral Commission conspiracy theory's repackaged?"No, the Trilaterals are supposedly working towards a singular goal. The oligarchs are each working towards their own individual goals. I thought that we explained that to you at the meeting. 🔺
@J, I suspect you'll recognise the first paragraph of my conclusion at msg 144. 😉
J. wrote: "No, the Trilaterals are supposedly working towards a singular goal. The oligarchs are each working towards their own individual goals. I thought that we explained that to you at the meeting. 🔺..."I missed the meeting, remember?
Graeme wrote: "@J, I suspect you'll recognise the first paragraph of my conclusion at msg 144. 😉"I didn't mean to step on your toes. You posted while I was composing. I should probably refresh more often.
Papaphilly wrote: "I missed the meeting, remember?"If you keep missing meetings we won't get invited out to the Grove. 🦉
Papaphilly wrote: "So you guys think uber rich people are running the world? You do realize that is Tri-Lateral Commission conspiracy theory's repackaged?"I find the corporate model a useful framework for understanding our modern 'corporatized,' world.
There are owners, boards, a CEO, an executive leadership team, senior professionals, junior professionals and everyone else.
The primary owners occupy the board, set policy and hire a CEO to implement policy.
The CEO forms their executive team and operates the enterprise. The senior and junior professionals hold the intellectual capital of the organisation and ensure its effectiveness/efficiency in implementing the Owners/Board's policies.
The key marker in this system is 'who sets policy,' they are the ones in control of the enterprise.
In my life, I have not influenced a public policy in any way shape or form. Our public policies are shaped by people who are in position to shape them. There is much of our societies operation where policy options are not available.
Who set's policy?
It's not the person writing the policy in some think tank, they are only in the senior professional class, it is the owner/board member who is sponsoring (directing the CEO, and allocating budget to) that act of policy formation.
Noting that the key difference between East (China, Russia, etc) and the West, is that in the East, the oligarchic plutocrats (Xi, Putin) also occupy the top roles in the state.
Naked Feudalism/Oligarchy in the East, vs Masked (Crypto) Feudalism/Oligarchy in the West.
I think the key game for the Western oligarchs is a shift from masked to naked facilitated by the destruction of the US constitution and all its adherents.
So while there is an aping of the Chinese methods by Western elites, they don't want the Chinese elites to win. They want to win - self interest is the ruler of the rulers.
Last year, I read a fascinating article by an anonymous NHS nurse, who said the PPE and protocol rigmarole surrounding covid in hospitals had to be seen to be believed. Whatever the rights and wrongs of it, I think this is giving them a big problem and capacity is declining accordingly. Does your wife hear similar stories?
I have a personal story, which I won’t go into, about a request for an ambulance. Despite repeated calls to the emergency number, over the course of the entire day, they were unable to send one out. It’s not good.
I saw your posts on the covid thread and acknowledge the additional detail you’ve given. I read stories on the BBC’s website this morning too, and noticed the one about the ambulance situation. Reading between the lines of this and other mainstream stories about it, it looks like a disproportionate number of the current requests for an ambulance are from people with heart problems and suffering strokes. You know what has been said to have a ‘small risk’ side-effect of aggravating those 2 conditions, don’t you? I’m not pointing fingers and hope it isn’t true, just saying.