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Voting threads > Theme 289 - Take flight. Anything relating to the word, eg flight. flown, fly, flew, soar, glide etc. but not the mode of flight nor things that fly. - Sera69 (closed 10pm Sun 7th Mar)

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message 1: by theDuke (last edited Feb 28, 2021 12:55PM) (new)

theDuke | 6492 comments Forthcoming Themes:

heme 290 - Sense-ational - song titles containing the words see, hear, smell, taste or touch - Helen
Theme 291 - High dynamism - a song which features a moment which particularly stands out. It could be just be an instrumental 'sting' or phrase, a dramatic pause followed by an explosive continuation, or a sudden change of direction - an audio 'handbrake turn' if you will. An example of a dynamic moment is the drum fill from Phil Collins' In The Air Tonight - Fishy Jim
Theme 292 - You Make Me Feel Like Dancing - Song titles containing one of the following words: dance(s), dancing or dancer(s) - Val
Theme 293 - It's all Greek to me - song titles featuring a named world language (not fictional.extraterrestrial eg Klingon and not sung IN a foreign language) - Brass Neck
Theme 294 - There's a place - song titles with a well-known landmark included (either a natural site or man-made). Famous thoroughfares are fine, but not some generic street/road, and entire cities etc are also out. - Tim
Theme 295 - Contain yourself - Song titles that reflect a storage container, i.e. lunchbox, coffin, toolbox. - TheFoe
Theme 296 - Wildcard Round 12
Theme 297 - Theme 296 - Top Of The Pops (Resurrection Special) - your favourite TOTP appearance - must MUST be accompanied with a clip from TOTP (any sight or sound of the beast, s******, will result in disqualification.) - Tech
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Nominations thread link:
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
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Greetings one and all.

The last day of February is drawing to a close, spring is around the corner, deaths and new infections rates are falling, whilst vaccinations numbers are rising at an impressive rate, lock-down to end soon (hopefully), things are looking brighter, at long last. Covid may well be with us for some time yet...but at least there is now a several effective weapons to fight it, especially now more data on the efficacy (loving that word!) of the vaccines (especially the AstraZenneca one) is proving that the French and Germans were talking nonsense all along.

Anyhoo.....a wee bit early again, but the latest theme is up & running for those who have a nom ready. This week, we're taking to the air, as Sera's nomination explains:

'Take flight. Anything relating to the word, eg flight. flown, fly, flew, soar, glide etc. but not the mode of flight nor things that fly.'

Easy peasy lemon squeezy, thus, let's be having your flight related song nominations please, with a suitable link, thank you.

See y'all on Wednesday.


message 2: by Tim (new)


message 3: by Serial (new)

Serial Sock Trumpet (serialsocktrumpet) | 1998 comments Grinderman - Honey Bee (Let's Fly To Mars)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBrm3...


message 4: by Val (new)

Val H. | 22152 comments After Serial

Michael Marra celebrates a Celtic player and father of poet Gil Scott-Heron.

Flight - A Certain Ratio
Honey Bee (Let's Fly To Mars) - Grinderman
Flight Of The Heron - Michael Marra & The Hazey Janes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xprRx...


message 5: by Brass Neck (last edited Feb 28, 2021 02:03PM) (new)

Brass Neck | 3979 comments Flight - A Certain Ratio
Honey Bee (Let's Fly To Mars) - Grinderman
Flight Of The Heron - Michael Marra & The Hazey Janes
High Flyin' Baby - Flamin' Groovies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWJYj...


message 6: by theDuke (last edited Feb 28, 2021 03:33PM) (new)

theDuke | 6492 comments Well..there's several songs from the Gizzverse i could choose, but i spare yous all..and go with this Swiss band, not to be confused with the one from Canada:


Flight - A Certain Ratio
Honey Bee (Let's Fly To Mars) - Grinderman
Flight Of The Heron - Michael Marra & The Hazey Janes
High Flyin' Baby - Flamin' Groovies
Glide In - Prisma

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMp5W...


message 7: by Craig White (last edited Mar 01, 2021 01:08AM) (new)

Craig White | 6727 comments glad you cleared that up!

what else?

Flight - A Certain Ratio
Honey Bee (Let's Fly To Mars) - Grinderman
Flight Of The Heron - Michael Marra & The Hazey Janes
High Flyin' Baby - Flamin' Groovies
Glide In - Prisma
Human Fly - The Cramps

https://youtu.be/33eE1KUNJV8


Helen The Melon | 3422 comments After Tee twenty three

Flight - A Certain Ratio
Honey Bee (Let's Fly To Mars) - Grinderman
Flight Of The Heron - Michael Marra & The Hazey Janes
High Flyin' Baby - Flamin' Groovies
Glide In - Prisma
Human Fly - The Cramps
As The Dragonfly Flies - The Icicle Works

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h5xed3F...


message 9: by Derek (new)

Derek W | 1365 comments after Helen

Flight - A Certain Ratio
Honey Bee (Let's Fly To Mars) - Grinderman
Flight Of The Heron - Michael Marra & The Hazey Janes
High Flyin' Baby - Flamin' Groovies
Glide In - Prisma
Human Fly - The Cramps
As The Dragonfly Flies - The Icicle Works
Flying Away - The Serpent Power

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52OnG...


message 10: by TheFoe (new)

TheFoe | 2638 comments After Derek

Flight - A Certain Ratio
Honey Bee (Let's Fly To Mars) - Grinderman
Flight Of The Heron - Michael Marra & The Hazey Janes
High Flyin' Baby - Flamin' Groovies
Glide In - Prisma
Human Fly - The Cramps
As The Dragonfly Flies - The Icicle Works
Flying Away - The Serpent Power
Night Flight To Kabul - Mark Lanegan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAvWG...


message 11: by KJS (last edited Mar 01, 2021 01:34PM) (new)

KJS | 5809 comments after TheFoe

Flight - A Certain Ratio
Honey Bee (Let's Fly To Mars) - Grinderman
Flight Of The Heron - Michael Marra & The Hazey Janes
High Flyin' Baby - Flamin' Groovies
Glide In - Prisma
Human Fly - The Cramps
As The Dragonfly Flies - The Icicle Works
Flying Away - The Serpent Power
Night Flight To Kabul - Mark Lanegan
Learning To Fly - Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtBTR...


message 12: by SussexWelsh (new)

SussexWelsh | 7449 comments After KJS

Flight - A Certain Ratio
Honey Bee (Let's Fly To Mars) - Grinderman
Flight Of The Heron - Michael Marra & The Hazey Janes
High Flyin' Baby - Flamin' Groovies
Glide In - Prisma
Human Fly - The Cramps
As The Dragonfly Flies - The Icicle Works
Flying Away - The Serpent Power
Night Flight To Kabul - Mark Lanegan
Learning To Fly - Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers
I Never Glid Before - Gong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiy5K...


message 13: by Sera69 (new)

Sera69 | 1924 comments After Sussex

Flight - A Certain Ratio
Honey Bee (Let's Fly To Mars) - Grinderman
Flight Of The Heron - Michael Marra & The Hazey Janes
High Flyin' Baby - Flamin' Groovies
Glide In - Prisma
Human Fly - The Cramps
As The Dragonfly Flies - The Icicle Works
Flying Away - The Serpent Power
Night Flight To Kabul - Mark Lanegan
Learning To Fly - Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers
I Never Glid Before - Gong
Flying High again - Ozzy Osbourne

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws3H0...


message 14: by Lez (new)

Lez | 7490 comments After Sera

Flight - A Certain Ratio
Honey Bee (Let's Fly To Mars) - Grinderman
Flight Of The Heron - Michael Marra & The Hazey Janes
High Flyin' Baby - Flamin' Groovies
Glide In - Prisma
Human Fly - The Cramps
As The Dragonfly Flies - The Icicle Works
Flying Away - The Serpent Power
Night Flight To Kabul - Mark Lanegan
Learning To Fly - Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers
I Never Glid Before - Gong
Flying High again - Ozzy Osbourne
Given To Fly - Pearl Jam

https://youtu.be/satY_ofTNo4


message 15: by Rob (new)

Rob Campbell | 477 comments After Lez,

Flight - A Certain Ratio
Honey Bee (Let's Fly To Mars) - Grinderman
Flight Of The Heron - Michael Marra & The Hazey Janes
High Flyin' Baby - Flamin' Groovies
Glide In - Prisma
Human Fly - The Cramps
As The Dragonfly Flies - The Icicle Works
Flying Away - The Serpent Power
Night Flight To Kabul - Mark Lanegan
Learning To Fly - Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers
I Never Glid Before - Gong
Flying High again - Ozzy Osbourne
Given To Fly - Pearl Jam
Gonna Fly Now - Bill Conti

https://youtu.be/r81AviZECUE


message 16: by Fishy_Jim (new)

Fishy_Jim  | 1287 comments After Rob:

Flight - A Certain Ratio
Honey Bee (Let's Fly To Mars) - Grinderman
Flight Of The Heron - Michael Marra & The Hazey Janes
High Flyin' Baby - Flamin' Groovies
Glide In - Prisma
Human Fly - The Cramps
As The Dragonfly Flies - The Icicle Works
Flying Away - The Serpent Power
Night Flight To Kabul - Mark Lanegan
Learning To Fly - Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers
I Never Glid Before - Gong
Flying High again - Ozzy Osbourne
Given To Fly - Pearl Jam
Gonna Fly Now - Bill Conti
Nite Flights - Walker Brothers (Scott Walker)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9uIH...


message 17: by theDuke (new)

theDuke | 6492 comments And it's Wednesday evening once again...hello all.

Numbers are back up to 15 this week, thus we get an extra vote, 5 in all....if you need 'em...but probably not Tech! :)

Playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_5Dw...

Voting List:
Flight - A Certain Ratio
Honey Bee (Let's Fly To Mars) - Grinderman
Flight Of The Heron - Michael Marra & The Hazey Janes
High Flyin' Baby - Flamin' Groovies
Glide In - Prisma
Human Fly - The Cramps
As The Dragonfly Flies - The Icicle Works
Flying Away - The Serpent Power
Night Flight To Kabul - Mark Lanegan
Learning To Fly - Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers
I Never Glid Before - Gong
Flying High again - Ozzy Osbourne
Given To Fly - Pearl Jam
Gonna Fly Now - Bill Conti
Nite Flights - Walker Brothers (Scott Walker)

A nice mix there, well known ones, less well known ones..and a couple of oddities....enjoy!

Ciao.


message 18: by Craig White (new)

Craig White | 6727 comments humph.

5 (yeah,five!) - g.rinderman (superb clip)
4 - s.walker
3 - m.marra
2 - a.c.r.
1 - g.ong (i love comedy records)

Flight - A Certain Ratio - 2
Honey Bee (Let's Fly To Mars) - Grinderman - 5
Flight Of The Heron - Michael Marra & The Hazey Janes - 3
High Flyin' Baby - Flamin' Groovies
Glide In - Prisma
Human Fly - The Cramps
As The Dragonfly Flies - The Icicle Works
Flying Away - The Serpent Power
Night Flight To Kabul - Mark Lanegan
Learning To Fly - Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers
I Never Glid Before - Gong - 1
Flying High again - Ozzy Osbourne
Given To Fly - Pearl Jam
Gonna Fly Now - Bill Conti
Nite Flights - Walker Brothers (Scott Walker) - 4


message 19: by Rob (new)

Rob Campbell | 477 comments After Tech,

5 - Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers
4 - Pearl Jam
3 - Prisma
2 - Walker Brothers (Scott Walker)
1 - Ozzy Osbourne

Flight - A Certain Ratio - 2
Honey Bee (Let's Fly To Mars) - Grinderman - 5
Flight Of The Heron - Michael Marra & The Hazey Janes - 3
High Flyin' Baby - Flamin' Groovies
Glide In - Prisma - 3
Human Fly - The Cramps
As The Dragonfly Flies - The Icicle Works
Flying Away - The Serpent Power
Night Flight To Kabul - Mark Lanegan
Learning To Fly - Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers - 5
I Never Glid Before - Gong - 1
Flying High again - Ozzy Osbourne - 1
Given To Fly - Pearl Jam - 4
Gonna Fly Now - Bill Conti
Nite Flights - Walker Brothers (Scott Walker) - 6


message 20: by Lez (new)

Lez | 7490 comments After Rob

Tom Petty 5
Groovies 4
Michael Marra 3
Prisma 2
Mark Lanegan 1

Flight - A Certain Ratio - 2
Honey Bee (Let's Fly To Mars) - Grinderman - 5
Flight Of The Heron - Michael Marra & The Hazey Janes - 6
High Flyin' Baby - Flamin' Groovies - 4
Glide In - Prisma - 5
Human Fly - The Cramps
As The Dragonfly Flies - The Icicle Works
Flying Away - The Serpent Power
Night Flight To Kabul - Mark Lanegan - 1
Learning To Fly - Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers - 10
I Never Glid Before - Gong - 1
Flying High again - Ozzy Osbourne - 1
Given To Fly - Pearl Jam - 4
Gonna Fly Now - Bill Conti
Nite Flights - Walker Brothers (Scott Walker) - 6


message 21: by Helen The Melon (new)

Helen The Melon | 3422 comments After Lez

ACR - 5
Cramps - 4
Marra - 3
Mark L - 2
Pearl J - 1

Flight - A Certain Ratio - 7
Honey Bee (Let's Fly To Mars) - Grinderman - 5
Flight Of The Heron - Michael Marra & The Hazey Janes - 9
High Flyin' Baby - Flamin' Groovies - 4
Glide In - Prisma - 5
Human Fly - The Cramps - 4
As The Dragonfly Flies - The Icicle Works
Flying Away - The Serpent Power
Night Flight To Kabul - Mark Lanegan - 3
Learning To Fly - Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers - 10
I Never Glid Before - Gong - 1
Flying High again - Ozzy Osbourne - 1
Given To Fly - Pearl Jam - 5
Gonna Fly Now - Bill Conti
Nite Flights - Walker Brothers (Scott Walker) - 6


message 22: by Derek (new)

Derek W | 1365 comments after helen

gong 3
mm & thj 2
tp & th 1

Flight - A Certain Ratio - 7
Honey Bee (Let's Fly To Mars) - Grinderman - 5
Flight Of The Heron - Michael Marra & The Hazey Janes - 11
High Flyin' Baby - Flamin' Groovies - 4
Glide In - Prisma - 5
Human Fly - The Cramps - 4
As The Dragonfly Flies - The Icicle Works
Flying Away - The Serpent Power
Night Flight To Kabul - Mark Lanegan - 3
Learning To Fly - Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers - 11
I Never Glid Before - Gong - 4
Flying High again - Ozzy Osbourne - 1
Given To Fly - Pearl Jam - 5
Gonna Fly Now - Bill Conti
Nite Flights - Walker Brothers (Scott Walker) - 6


message 23: by TheFoe (new)

TheFoe | 2638 comments After Derek

A Certain Ratio - 5 (enjoyed this a lot!)
The Cramps - 4
The Serpent Power - 3
Michael Marra & The Hazey Janes - 2
Grinderman - 1

Flight - A Certain Ratio - 12
Honey Bee (Let's Fly To Mars) - Grinderman - 6
Flight Of The Heron - Michael Marra & The Hazey Janes - 13
High Flyin' Baby - Flamin' Groovies - 4
Glide In - Prisma - 5
Human Fly - The Cramps - 8
As The Dragonfly Flies - The Icicle Works
Flying Away - The Serpent Power - 3
Night Flight To Kabul - Mark Lanegan - 3
Learning To Fly - Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers - 11
I Never Glid Before - Gong - 4
Flying High again - Ozzy Osbourne - 1
Given To Fly - Pearl Jam - 5
Gonna Fly Now - Bill Conti
Nite Flights - Walker Brothers (Scott Walker) - 6


message 24: by Val (new)

Val H. | 22152 comments After The Foe

Bill Conti - 5
Mark Lanegan - 4
Pearl Jam - 3
Scott Walker - 2
Prisma - 1

Flight - A Certain Ratio - 12
Honey Bee (Let's Fly To Mars) - Grinderman - 6
Flight Of The Heron - Michael Marra & The Hazey Janes - 13
High Flyin' Baby - Flamin' Groovies - 4
Glide In - Prisma - 6
Human Fly - The Cramps - 8
As The Dragonfly Flies - The Icicle Works
Flying Away - The Serpent Power - 3
Night Flight To Kabul - Mark Lanegan - 7
Learning To Fly - Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers - 11
I Never Glid Before - Gong - 4
Flying High again - Ozzy Osbourne - 1
Given To Fly - Pearl Jam - 8
Gonna Fly Now - Bill Conti - 5
Nite Flights - Walker Brothers (Scott Walker) - 8


message 25: by Fishy_Jim (new)

Fishy_Jim  | 1287 comments After Val:

A Certain Ratio – 5
Gong – 4
The Icicle Works - 3
Prisma – 2
The Serpent Power - 1

Flight - A Certain Ratio - 17
Honey Bee (Let's Fly To Mars) - Grinderman - 6
Flight Of The Heron - Michael Marra & The Hazey Janes - 13
High Flyin' Baby - Flamin' Groovies - 4
Glide In - Prisma - 8
Human Fly - The Cramps - 8
As The Dragonfly Flies - The Icicle Works - 3
Flying Away - The Serpent Power - 4
Night Flight To Kabul - Mark Lanegan - 7
Learning To Fly - Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers - 11
I Never Glid Before - Gong - 8
Flying High again - Ozzy Osbourne - 1
Given To Fly - Pearl Jam - 8
Gonna Fly Now - Bill Conti - 5
Nite Flights - Walker Brothers (Scott Walker) - 8


message 26: by KJS (last edited Mar 06, 2021 12:35PM) (new)

KJS | 5809 comments After Fishy_Jim

I still have an original US copy of Human Fly on the Vengeance label.

Cramps - 5
F Groovies - 4
I Works - 3
S Power - 2
O Osbourne - 1


Flight - A Certain Ratio - 17
Honey Bee (Let's Fly To Mars) - Grinderman - 6
Flight Of The Heron - Michael Marra & The Hazey Janes - 13
High Flyin' Baby - Flamin' Groovies - 8
Glide In - Prisma - 8
Human Fly - The Cramps - 13
As The Dragonfly Flies - The Icicle Works - 6
Flying Away - The Serpent Power - 6
Night Flight To Kabul - Mark Lanegan - 7
Learning To Fly - Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers - 11
I Never Glid Before - Gong - 8
Flying High again - Ozzy Osbourne - 2
Given To Fly - Pearl Jam - 8
Gonna Fly Now - Bill Conti - 5
Nite Flights - Walker Brothers (Scott Walker) - 8


message 27: by Craig White (new)

Craig White | 6727 comments you jammy bastid!


message 28: by Craig White (new)

Craig White | 6727 comments notable only because acr's flight is doing well, i found out the other day that i have copy of the 12". had completely forgotten it was there, and it only came to light when i hauled out the records for grading and sale. carry on.


message 29: by theDuke (new)

theDuke | 6492 comments After KJS:

Flamin' Groovies - 5
A Certain Ratio - 4
The Cramps - 3
The Icicle Works - 3
Bill Conti - 1

Flight - A Certain Ratio - 21
Honey Bee (Let's Fly To Mars) - Grinderman - 6
Flight Of The Heron - Michael Marra & The Hazey Janes - 13
High Flyin' Baby - Flamin' Groovies - 13
Glide In - Prisma - 8
Human Fly - The Cramps - 16
As The Dragonfly Flies - The Icicle Works - 8
Flying Away - The Serpent Power - 6
Night Flight To Kabul - Mark Lanegan - 7
Learning To Fly - Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers - 11
I Never Glid Before - Gong - 8
Flying High again - Ozzy Osbourne - 2
Given To Fly - Pearl Jam - 8
Gonna Fly Now - Bill Conti - 6
Nite Flights - Walker Brothers (Scott Walker) - 8


message 30: by Tim (new)

Tim Franklin | 10953 comments after Duke

Gong - 5
Walker Brothers - 4
Cramps - 3
Grinderman - 2
The Serpent Power - 1

Flight - A Certain Ratio - 21
Honey Bee (Let's Fly To Mars) - Grinderman - 8
Flight Of The Heron - Michael Marra & The Hazey Janes - 13
High Flyin' Baby - Flamin' Groovies - 13
Glide In - Prisma - 8
Human Fly - The Cramps - 19
As The Dragonfly Flies - The Icicle Works - 8
Flying Away - The Serpent Power - 7
Night Flight To Kabul - Mark Lanegan - 7
Learning To Fly - Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers - 11
I Never Glid Before - Gong - 13
Flying High again - Ozzy Osbourne - 2
Given To Fly - Pearl Jam - 8
Gonna Fly Now - Bill Conti - 6
Nite Flights - Walker Brothers (Scott Walker) - 12


message 31: by Brass Neck (new)

Brass Neck | 3979 comments LTF - 5
Cs - 4
IWs - 3
ML - 2
PJ - 1

Flight - A Certain Ratio - 21
Honey Bee (Let's Fly To Mars) - Grinderman - 8
Flight Of The Heron - Michael Marra & The Hazey Janes - 13
High Flyin' Baby - Flamin' Groovies - 13
Glide In - Prisma - 8
Human Fly - The Cramps - 23
As The Dragonfly Flies - The Icicle Works - 11
Flying Away - The Serpent Power - 7
Night Flight To Kabul - Mark Lanegan - 9
Learning To Fly - Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers - 16
I Never Glid Before - Gong - 13
Flying High again - Ozzy Osbourne - 2
Given To Fly - Pearl Jam - 9
Gonna Fly Now - Bill Conti - 6
Nite Flights - Walker Brothers (Scott Walker) - 12


message 32: by theDuke (new)

theDuke | 6492 comments Hello all. Apols for the late finish, as ever i had an early night last night.

Okey doke then...who flew the highest this week?:

well the first song on the playlist was leading the pack right up until the last vote came in, thus this week's winner is...Human Fly by The Cramps. A score of 23 points secures the gold one for the Techmeister. Good song..although i initially thought there was something wrong with it, as not a lot happened for the first coupla minutes......didn't think to watch the vid first did i?! A sterling choice Tech.

That means the former front runner Flight by A Certain Ratio, takes 2nd place, so Tim gets the Silver..and finally, the classic hit Learning To Fly by Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers, earns KJS the bronze.

Congratulations to you three, and nobody gets a wooden spoon this week..so happy days.


message 33: by Craig White (new)

Craig White | 6727 comments it's only right, being one of the best singles ever!

but what i wanna know is.......

kjs - what edition of the single do you have? the luminous sleeve? i'll give you..........er..........um...........a fiver for it! that's worth considering, seeing as it has sold on discos for £320!!!!!

cheque, cash? 😈


message 34: by KJS (last edited Mar 08, 2021 01:32PM) (new)

KJS | 5809 comments Tech XXIII wrote: "it's only right, being one of the best singles ever!

but what i wanna know is.......

kjs - what edition of the single do you have? the luminous sleeve? i'll give you..........er..........um........."


It's luminous. I used to think it was 3d as it looks so blurred. Also have Surfin' Bird on Vengeance which isn't so rare. I have so many rare records that I will sell one day. Probably the most valuable is A Factory Sample complete with stickers.


message 35: by Craig White (new)

Craig White | 6727 comments that's the 1st pressing (as you know), and again, jammy bastid!

it's took me a long time to start selling, and even though i've just made a few sales, it feels kinda liberating in a 'told you that e.neubauten album was worth sixty quid' kinda way!

if you are in the buyer's market, you can find me here,

discogs.com/seller/techxxiii/profile

items being added in a random fashion, prices to suit every pocket, from £2-£400!


message 36: by Brass Neck (new)

Brass Neck | 3979 comments I'll have two of whatever's £400.


message 37: by Craig White (new)

Craig White | 6727 comments you mean both? well, we know you like a bit of throbbing gristle!

parp!


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