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message 1951: by J. (last edited Jul 27, 2022 08:49AM) (new)

J. Gowin | 7977 comments Ian wrote: "I said "donkey vote",. not that they were donkeys. The donkey vote is the uninformed vote. The fact of the matter is that the average person has no real knowledge of how to run a government departm..."

Donkey Vote
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donke...

From what I've read, the problem isn't so much ignorance as it is apathy. It seems to be most common on mandatory ballots in ranked elections. So voters who don't care; they just want it done with.


message 1952: by Ian (new)

Ian Miller | 1857 comments J. wrote: "Ian wrote: "I said "donkey vote",. not that they were donkeys. The donkey vote is the uninformed vote. The fact of the matter is that the average person has no real knowledge of how to run a govern..."

Agreed. My thought originally was that apathy leads to ignorance, but apathy is the cause. You cannot be knowledgable about an issue if you do not make the effort to do so, and most people would rather get on with their lives. Why read an economic treatise in preparation for a vote than watch a game on TV?


message 1953: by Nik (new)

Nik Krasno | 19850 comments The representatives are equally or more passive and ignorant on issues they vote. Only those they promote or have an interest in they get into details. The same with people - some will learn details and participate actively in votings and proposals - others won’t at all. Both - are perfectly fine.


message 1954: by J. (new)

J. Gowin | 7977 comments New Zealand considers changing its name to confront its troubled colonial past
https://www.npr.org/2022/08/05/111562...


message 1955: by Scout (new)

Scout (goodreadscomscout) | 8071 comments Interesting article. The Maori seem to be the equivalent of our Native Americans. Is there any chance of the name being changed?


message 1956: by J. (new)

J. Gowin | 7977 comments A third of Brits face poverty with energy bills set to hit $5,000
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/09/econom...


message 1957: by J. (new)

J. Gowin | 7977 comments Scout wrote: "Interesting article. The Maori seem to be the equivalent of our Native Americans. Is there any chance of the name being changed?"

Ian, would you weigh in please.


message 1958: by Ian (new)

Ian Miller | 1857 comments I am not sure which name Scout is asking about.

The interesting thing about the Maori is there are no pure Maori left. There have been treaty settlements, in which money has gone to Maori, and Maori get to have their own electorates, but to be a Maori you have to have 1/128 Maori blood. Of course many have more, but purity is not there. There was a fascinating case some time ago of one Maori complaining that during the Maori wars his grandfather (or great grandfather) was killed by British troops and he wanted compensation. Someone went through the records and found that said grandfather was killed by the other grandfather (or a great grandfather).

As for the treaty settlements, the money has gone to the tribes, which has been managed by the new "chiefs". A very small number of Maori wield huge economic clout. The benefits to the rank and file are fairly tenuous, according to one I spoke to who works in my neighbourhood and I got friendly with.


message 1959: by J. (last edited Aug 10, 2022 12:45PM) (new)

J. Gowin | 7977 comments Ian wrote: "I am not sure which name Scout is asking about.

The interesting thing about the Maori is there are no pure Maori left. There have been treaty settlements, in which money has gone to Maori, and Mao..."


She is asking about the article linked in post #1955. Apparently, there was a petition to change the name of New Zealand to "Aotearoa".


message 1960: by Ian (new)

Ian Miller | 1857 comments Ah, that. I am not sure where that got to. I doubt the current government would go with that because the polls now show they are in trouble, and the opposition is against it. Usually something like that would need a referendum, to take the consequences off the politicians, but I doubt that would be successful so I expect it to stay NZ. As an aside, the Maori never actually called it Aoteoroa. They never had the concept of country, and considered it as two big Islands, to which they gave the North Island "Te Ika-a-Māui" and the South Island "Te Waipounamu"


message 1961: by Scout (last edited Aug 11, 2022 08:54PM) (new)

Scout (goodreadscomscout) | 8071 comments Ian, great that you have something you want us to read, but you could reciprocate by reading others' posts.


message 1962: by Ian (new)

Ian Miller | 1857 comments Scout, I think you should accept that I do read others' posts. It doesn't mean I have to agree with them. Post 1961 was simply trying to answer your question.


message 1963: by Scout (new)

Scout (goodreadscomscout) | 8071 comments I['m not accepting that you read others' posts. You said in post 1959, "I am not sure which name Scout is asking about." You obviously did not read J's post 1955 or you would have known what I was referencing.


message 1964: by Ian (new)

Ian Miller | 1857 comments Mea Culpa. I had forgotten. I did not consider it important because it is a non-starter here, so I forgot J's post.


message 1965: by Nik (new)

Nik Krasno | 19850 comments I guess praising the perpetrator on Salman Rushdie reflects the spirit of one nuclear hungry country:
https://nypost.com/2022/08/13/salman-...


message 1966: by J. (last edited Aug 13, 2022 09:23AM) (new)

J. Gowin | 7977 comments Nik wrote: "I guess praising the perpetrator on Salman Rushdie reflects the spirit of one nuclear hungry country:
https://nypost.com/2022/08/13/salman-..."


Religion of Peace...


message 1967: by Ian (new)

Ian Miller | 1857 comments I assume said attacker will get a long and deserved jail sentence for that appalling act


message 1968: by Nik (last edited Aug 18, 2022 08:38AM) (new)

Nik Krasno | 19850 comments Sanna must be celebrating joining NATO and inflation only around 8%:
https://youtu.be/l21A3tS6_vs
How come Boris wasn't invited? Shame


message 1969: by Papaphilly (new)

Papaphilly | 5042 comments Ian wrote: "I assume said attacker will get a long and deserved jail sentence for that appalling act"

I am not so sure because it is NY.


message 1970: by J. (new)

J. Gowin | 7977 comments Nik wrote: "Sanna must be celebrating joining NATO and inflation only around 8%:
https://youtu.be/l21A3tS6_vs
How come Boris wasn't invited? Shame"


Honestly, compared to what we know other European elites do in their down time Sanna's party antics are a relief.


message 1971: by Ian (new)

Ian Miller | 1857 comments Nik wrote: "Sanna must be celebrating joining NATO and inflation only around 8%:
https://youtu.be/l21A3tS6_vs
How come Boris wasn't invited? Shame"


I gather from today's news Turkey's inflation is running at 80% and their central bank is lowering interest rates. Not good.


message 1972: by Papaphilly (new)

Papaphilly | 5042 comments OUCH


message 1973: by J. (new)

J. Gowin | 7977 comments UK energy crisis is 'bigger than the pandemic'
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/24/energy...


message 1974: by Ian (new)

Ian Miller | 1857 comments My turn. Ouch!


message 1975: by [deleted user] (new)

J, you don't know the half of what's going on over here at the mo lol.

Basically, the unholy trinity of lockdowns, warmongering and the death by a thousand cuts that is zero carbon are causing chaos in GB. All part of the build back better plan, of course.

Forget social media commentators, the average (wo)man on the street now knows the political establishment is trying to destroy them and they're cheesed off. Will expand on this more soon.


message 1976: by Ian (new)

Ian Miller | 1857 comments Beau might be amused to know that Ardern is having her problems too. There was another major protest outside parliament and actually it was two protests - opposite to each other, but both anti-government.

We are also facing a toilet paper crisis. Most of the toilet paper comes from one factory owned by a multinational, which has made record profits. (So have our banks, thanks to inflation) SAnyway, the workers want a wage increase to compensate for inflation and the corporation has locked them out. Time to hoard again :-(


message 1977: by J. (new)

J. Gowin | 7977 comments Ian wrote: "Beau might be amused to know that Ardern is having her problems too. There was another major protest outside parliament and actually it was two protests - opposite to each other, but both anti-gove..."

It never occurred to me that I would live through an apocalypse in which a bidet would be a genuine survival tool.


message 1978: by Nik (new)

Nik Krasno | 19850 comments Rooting for the workers


message 1979: by Papaphilly (new)

Papaphilly | 5042 comments Go bidet!


message 1980: by J. (new)

J. Gowin | 7977 comments Mikhail Gorbachev, former Soviet president who took down the Iron Curtain, dies
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/30/europe...

During my life, there have been two (2) events when the world changed changed in a day. The end of the Soviet Union was the good one.


message 1981: by Ian (new)

Ian Miller | 1857 comments And now for perhaps a contribution to sporting trivia. Here, a college football match ended up with a score of 40 - 0. That's a goal roughly every 90 seconds. Not the sort of record the losers would like to have repeated.


message 1982: by J. (last edited Aug 30, 2022 03:45PM) (new)

J. Gowin | 7977 comments Ian wrote: "And now for perhaps a contribution to sporting trivia. Here, a college football match ended up with a score of 40 - 0. That's a goal roughly every 90 seconds. Not the sort of record the losers woul..."

Well, that beats the most embarrassing moment in US Soccer history.

FC Dallas under-15 boys squad beat the U.S. Women's National Team in a scrimmage
https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news...


message 1983: by J. (new)

J. Gowin | 7977 comments Kiwi Angler Catches Massive 30.31-Pound Potential Line Class World Record Rainbow Trout
https://www.fieldandstream.com/fishin...


message 1984: by Ian (new)

Ian Miller | 1857 comments Further to post 1982, the team that lost 40 - 0 had to play another match against another college two days later - score then 3 - 3! Is this a record recovery???


message 1985: by Ian (new)

Ian Miller | 1857 comments Our newspaper gave a glowing eulogy to Gorbachev, which, going by what is being said elsewhere, these eulogies probably set another record: nobody has ever been praised as much for making such a botched job of what he was appointed to do.


message 1986: by Papaphilly (new)

Papaphilly | 5042 comments Ours are mostly calling him complicated. I think that is a great eulogy.


message 1987: by Scout (new)

Scout (goodreadscomscout) | 8071 comments Better complicated than simple :-)


message 1988: by J. (new)

J. Gowin | 7977 comments Super Typhoon Hinnamnor Could Slam Straight Into Nuclear Power Plant
https://www.newsweek.com/typhoon-hinn...


message 1989: by Ian (new)

Ian Miller | 1857 comments Not exactly my part of the world, but it appears that Liz Truss is the new PM of the UK. The party members who elected her were presumably thinking of themselves as Truss has promised tax cuts. Leaving aside the possibility of a massive flip-flop, this could be an interesting experiment in economics. Cutting taxes in the middle of an inflationary period with a massive public debt is not the usual answer. Of course it is more interesting from this distance. I gather she is also advocating a price freeze on gas. I don't see how that will work if there is short supply, but what do I know?


message 1990: by J. (last edited Sep 05, 2022 04:48PM) (new)

J. Gowin | 7977 comments Ian wrote: "Not exactly my part of the world, but it appears that Liz Truss is the new PM of the UK. The party members who elected her were presumably thinking of themselves as Truss has promised tax cuts. Lea..."

Has there ever been a female Prime Minister of the UK who wasn't a conservative?


message 1991: by Ian (new)

Ian Miller | 1857 comments No, but she is the third female PM. Tony Blair hogged most of the space between 1 & 2, and Conservatives have been in power in between 2 & 3, I think.


message 1992: by J. (new)

J. Gowin | 7977 comments Queen Elizabeth II under medical care as family gathers
https://apnews.com/article/queen-eliz...


message 1993: by Nik (new)

Nik Krasno | 19850 comments The queen is dead, long live the king


message 1994: by Ian (new)

Ian Miller | 1857 comments It sounds as if she went quietly and relatively comfortably. She seemed in reasonable status when she met Liz Truss, so hopefully there was no pain.


message 1995: by Philip (new)

Philip (phenweb) On this sad day this is my first post in this forum for a considerable period.

Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II has died today.

She was my monarch all my life until today as King Charles III is now King. I swore my allegiance to Queen Elizabeth as an officer. My commissioning scroll carries her signature.

It is a deeply sad day for her family, the countries of which she was monarch, the Commonwealth, and perhaps as a unique figurehead around the world. An amazing woman. We shall mourn her.
Whether you believe or not
God Save The King.


message 1996: by Nik (new)

Nik Krasno | 19850 comments Great to hear from you, Philip, after a long while, although on such a sad occasion. Am commiserating with friends in the UK


message 1997: by J. (last edited Sep 08, 2022 01:58PM) (new)

J. Gowin | 7977 comments Philip wrote: "On this sad day this is my first post in this forum for a considerable period.

Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II has died today.

She was my monarch all my life until today as King Charles III is now..."


I'm sorry that your return is under such sad circumstances.

If the new King shows a fraction of his mother's poise and dedication to duty, the United Kingdom and the Commonwealth will be well served.


message 1998: by Papaphilly (new)

Papaphilly | 5042 comments Philip wrote: "On this sad day this is my first post in this forum for a considerable period.

Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II has died today.

She was my monarch all my life until today as King Charles III is now..."


Phillip!

Where have you been? Missed arguing with you very much.

Sorry about your Queen. A class act. Wish more would follow her lead.

Is Charles taking his name as the third or has that not been decided?


message 1999: by Ian (new)

Ian Miller | 1857 comments He is being called Charles III here already.

It was a sad day, but it was not entirely unexpected. She certainly lived a long life.


message 2000: by Papaphilly (new)

Papaphilly | 5042 comments To give you an idea of how long she ruled, Elizabeth rule started when the US only had 48 states.


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