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message 1: by Nancy, Co-Moderator (new)

Nancy Oakes (quinnsmom) | 10113 comments Mod
Anyone who would like to join this small group of noir fans in reading Double Indemnity, by James M.Cain is more than welcome.

Feel free to post anything about the book, the author, interesting facts, etc; just please do NOT give out any spoilers in the discussion. The read-by date is December 10th, and after that we can speak much more freely about the book.

Enjoy the book, the great company of your fellow readers, and have fun. Oh yes. Please be considerate and polite! Thanks.


message 2: by Tom (new)

Tom Mathews | 995 comments I'll be starting it this weekend.


message 3: by Nancy, Co-Moderator (new)

Nancy Oakes (quinnsmom) | 10113 comments Mod
I have another book that takes precedence, but as soon as I'm finished, I'll be starting this one.


message 4: by [deleted user] (new)

It's on it's way. I'm stoked to read the book.


message 5: by Nancy, Co-Moderator (new)

Nancy Oakes (quinnsmom) | 10113 comments Mod
Gwennyth wrote: "It's on it's way. I'm stoked to read the book."

Hi, Gwennyth!!! Nice to have you on board! YAY


message 6: by Skye (new)

Skye | 2105 comments I am waiting for my book. I am looking forward to this, too. It's so tres noir


message 7: by Nancy, Co-Moderator (new)

Nancy Oakes (quinnsmom) | 10113 comments Mod
"so tres noir" -- I love it!


message 8: by Helena (new)

Helena Greenfield | 81 comments It's a great book. The ultimate noir tbh. Can't wait until everyone has read it so we can discuss the story.


message 9: by Sawyer (new)

Sawyer | 24 comments I finished reading it. I will look forward to the discussion.


message 10: by Tom (new)

Tom Mathews | 995 comments I love his description of the insurance industry.
It’s the biggest gambling wheel in the world... You bet that your house will burn down, they bet it won’t, that’s all. What fools you is that you didn’t want your house to burn down when you made the bet, and so you forget it’s a bet. That don’t fool them. To them, a bet is a bet, and a hedged bet don’t look any different than any other bet.


I work in the business and this is very much how they look at it.


message 11: by Skye (new)

Skye | 2105 comments I have my copy and I am good to go: just need to read it (work schedule has been non stop).


message 12: by Tom (new)

Tom Mathews | 995 comments Skye wrote: "I have my copy and I am good to go: just need to read it (work schedule has been non stop)."

It's a quick read. I finished it this morning.


message 13: by Nancy, Co-Moderator (new)

Nancy Oakes (quinnsmom) | 10113 comments Mod
Tom wrote: "Skye wrote: "I have my copy and I am good to go: just need to read it (work schedule has been non stop)."

It's a quick read. I finished it this morning."


Tomorrow for me.


message 14: by Tom (new)

Tom Mathews | 995 comments After reading it I'm convinced I never saw the end of the movie. I can remember watching it up to the murder but nothing afterwards is in any way familiar. This is my second James M. Cain book and both are easy five star reads.


message 15: by Franky (new)

Franky | 1041 comments I loved this book as well as the film. I'm going to try to dig up my copy and post some thoughts. Very essential noir here.


message 16: by Jan C (new)

Jan C (woeisme) | 39229 comments I listened to it this time. I don't recommend that way of reading it for this book. Much more powerful in the written word.


message 17: by Tom (new)

Tom About halfway through. Love the staccato prose. Reflects Walter's state of mind. Copying out my favorite passages. Isaac Babel wrote, "No iron spike can pierce a human heart as icily as a period in the right place." Cain pounds a lot of spikes with his periods.


message 18: by Nancy, Co-Moderator (new)

Nancy Oakes (quinnsmom) | 10113 comments Mod
Franky wrote: "I loved this book as well as the film. I'm going to try to dig up my copy and post some thoughts. Very essential noir here."

Nice of you to join us!


message 19: by Nancy, Co-Moderator (new)

Nancy Oakes (quinnsmom) | 10113 comments Mod
Tom wrote: "About halfway through. Love the staccato prose. Reflects Walter's state of mind. Copying out my favorite passages. Isaac Babel wrote, "No iron spike can pierce a human heart as icily as a perio..."

I'll be getting started this afternoon. Looking forward to it.


message 20: by Tom (new)

Tom Mathews | 995 comments Jan C wrote: "I listened to it this time. I don't recommend that way of reading it for this book. Much more powerful in the written word."

I listened to it as well. I actually thought it worked pretty well, though, as if Huff was telling me what happened from his point of view. I also thought the narrator did a good job as I easily imagined the voice to be that of Huff.


message 21: by Skye (new)

Skye | 2105 comments Nancy wrote: "Tom wrote: "About halfway through. Love the staccato prose. Reflects Walter's state of mind. Copying out my favorite passages. Isaac Babel wrote, "No iron spike can pierce a human heart as icil..."
Me, too, I think; I am finishing a novel now, midway through another, and I can read more than one or two ( as long as I am awake, that is)...chuckle~


message 22: by Mary Beth (new)

Mary Beth I just finished this a couple of days ago and really liked it. I gave it 5 stars. I watched the movie also, but liked the book so much better, of course!


message 23: by Tom (new)

Tom Mathews | 995 comments Mary wrote: "I just finished this a couple of days ago and really liked it. I gave it 5 stars. I watched the movie also, but liked the book so much better, of course!"

I'm going to have to watch the movie before this discussion is over.


message 24: by Nancy, Co-Moderator (new)

Nancy Oakes (quinnsmom) | 10113 comments Mod
Stephanie wrote: "Hi, I finished this on Wednesday and liked it also. I re-watched the movie today... Agree that the book is much better..."

Well, it just so happens that I am laid up with a bad cold so I have nothing but reading time now so I'll be finished by tomorrow, so I can start throwing in my two cents' worth.


message 25: by Nancy, Co-Moderator (new)

Nancy Oakes (quinnsmom) | 10113 comments Mod
Nancy wrote: "Stephanie wrote: "Hi, I finished this on Wednesday and liked it also. I re-watched the movie today... Agree that the book is much better..."

Well, it just so happens that I am laid up with a bad ..."


What a bad sentence. LOL


message 26: by Stephen (new)

Stephen Richter (stephenofskytrain) | 87 comments Just a note that you will be able to stream the film Double Indemnity on Netflix only this weekend as by 12/1 that option will go away.


message 27: by Skye (new)

Skye | 2105 comments Nancy, feel better, please.
Thanks for the heads up, Stephen.


message 28: by Nancy, Co-Moderator (new)

Nancy Oakes (quinnsmom) | 10113 comments Mod
Skye wrote: "Nancy, feel better, please.
Thanks for the heads up, Stephen."


Will do, Skye. One more down day ought to do it. Thanks!


message 29: by Skye (new)

Skye | 2105 comments 'like' button~


message 30: by Tom (new)

Tom Hoo-whee, love the ending. What exactly it says re Cain's vision of love and retribution, I'm not prepared to say yet. Need to let it settle in my brain -- like a wounded animal sinking in a swamp -- and reread a few times. Don't hold me to it, but right now I think I like this novel even more than C's "Postman." (and yes, it's far, far better than the movie).


message 31: by [deleted user] (new)

I haven't received my book yet....we've had a lot of snow here and a power outage over the Thanksgiving holiday. Hope it arrives today.


message 32: by Nancy, Co-Moderator (new)

Nancy Oakes (quinnsmom) | 10113 comments Mod
Gwennyth wrote: "I haven't received my book yet....we've had a lot of snow here and a power outage over the Thanksgiving holiday. Hope it arrives today."

That's why I set the read-by date later than sooner. No worries! I Hope you're okay. I'm drinking tea from a recipe Skye gave me and it' seems to be helping.


message 33: by [deleted user] (new)

Nancy wrote: "Gwennyth wrote: "I haven't received my book yet....we've had a lot of snow here and a power outage over the Thanksgiving holiday. Hope it arrives today."

That's why I set the read-by date later th..."


I do hope you feel better! Sending a get well hug.
And the mail just arrived,with the book! Ahhhhh!


message 34: by Nancy, Co-Moderator (new)

Nancy Oakes (quinnsmom) | 10113 comments Mod
Gwennyth wrote: "Nancy wrote: "Gwennyth wrote: "I haven't received my book yet....we've had a lot of snow here and a power outage over the Thanksgiving holiday. Hope it arrives today."

That's why I set the read-by..."


Oh hooray! Thanks for the hug. When you have a cold, let me know and I'll send you Skye's recipe.


message 35: by Nancy, Co-Moderator (new)

Nancy Oakes (quinnsmom) | 10113 comments Mod
I LOVED this line:

"She looks like what came aboard the ship to shoot dice for souls in the Rime of the Ancient Mariner." Seriously, who writes like this any more? That was just beyond excellent.


message 36: by S.K. (new)

S.K. Rizzolo (skrizzolo) | 63 comments I agree--great line. So I guess that means the character looks like Life-in-Death (scarlet lips and "skin as white as leprosy..."). Who is the character referred to?


message 37: by Tom (new)

Tom Nancy wrote: "I LOVED this line:

"She looks like what came aboard the ship to shoot dice for souls in the Rime of the Ancient Mariner." Seriously, who writes like this any more? That was just beyond excellent."


Oh, yeah, I marked that one, too, though I did wonder if the ref were appropriate for Huff's character?


message 38: by Nancy, Co-Moderator (new)

Nancy Oakes (quinnsmom) | 10113 comments Mod
Tom wrote: "Nancy wrote: "I LOVED this line:

"She looks like what came aboard the ship to shoot dice for souls in the Rime of the Ancient Mariner." Seriously, who writes like this any more? That was just bey..."


I think we ought to hold off on that discussion until everyone's finished since it may give something away. I just wanted to point it out as just one example of why I loved this book so much.


message 39: by Nancy, Co-Moderator (new)

Nancy Oakes (quinnsmom) | 10113 comments Mod
S.K. wrote: "I agree--great line. So I guess that means the character looks like Life-in-Death (scarlet lips and "skin as white as leprosy..."). Who is the character referred to?"

I didn't know you were joining us, SK! Cool.


message 40: by Nancy, Co-Moderator (new)

Nancy Oakes (quinnsmom) | 10113 comments Mod
I'm really wrapped up in a book for another group and my "real" life is suffering. Please, anyone, feel free to comment generally until I get through at least one more chapter. Then I can be human and participate again!


message 41: by Nancy, Co-Moderator (new)

Nancy Oakes (quinnsmom) | 10113 comments Mod
All right - has everyone who's reading this book finished -- yes or no?


message 42: by Tom (new)

Tom Mathews | 995 comments I have.


message 43: by Stephen (new)

Stephen Richter (stephenofskytrain) | 87 comments I have finished & ready to discuss.


message 44: by Nancy, Co-Moderator (new)

Nancy Oakes (quinnsmom) | 10113 comments Mod
That makes three of us so far. Anyone else?


message 45: by Jan C (new)

Jan C (woeisme) | 39229 comments I finished long ago


message 46: by Nancy, Co-Moderator (new)

Nancy Oakes (quinnsmom) | 10113 comments Mod
Okay - we'll start the discussion in earnest tomorrow. I'll need a break from my Blood Meridian-inspired PTSD.

If everyone could come up with a few topics of discussion, I'd like for us to stay focused and not roam all over the book at the outset. Examples: characters, themes, writing style, yada yada -- specifics will make their way through under bigger areas for us to launch from.


message 47: by Nancy, Co-Moderator (new)

Nancy Oakes (quinnsmom) | 10113 comments Mod
Here we go.

I love how at the very beginning the narrator (Walter) sets us up with a conundrum when he says "this House of Death" (note the capitalization, btw) "that you've been reading about in the papers."

Later, of course, we know who the "you" refers to, but at this point, we have no clue. Double conundrum.

And we're not even out of the first paragraph.


message 48: by Nancy, Co-Moderator (new)

Nancy Oakes (quinnsmom) | 10113 comments Mod
What does everyone think about Phyllis at the beginning?


message 49: by Stephen (new)

Stephen Richter (stephenofskytrain) | 87 comments At first I thought Phyllis has a vague notion of killing her husband, sort of wishing it to happen, and it was Huff who pushed her into action. I had read it for first time so many decades ago that when I tried to think of the plot before the re-read that was the impression that stuck.


message 50: by Nancy, Co-Moderator (new)

Nancy Oakes (quinnsmom) | 10113 comments Mod
Stephen wrote: "At first I thought Phyllis has a vague notion of killing her husband, sort of wishing it to happen, and it was Huff who pushed her into action. I had read it for first time so many decades ago that..."

I thought she was up to no good the minute she said "Do you handle accident insurance?" And I realized at that moment that Walter knew the same -- he said "Maybe that don't mean to you what it meant to me," like he just KNEW what was running through her head.


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