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message 1: by Feliks, Moderator (last edited Nov 12, 2014 08:01AM) (new)

Feliks (dzerzhinsky) | 1257 comments Mod
We're not having enough fun around here so I am gonna launch an unabashedly 'silly' topic

Choose your ideal commando team

1) WWII
2) Vietnam
3) Present-day

Can be fiction characters or movie characters. Let's say 4-man teams only.


message 2: by Stacey B (new)

Stacey B | 117 comments Im up for some fun. I choose present day Israeli Special Opts/ Mossad. Gabriel Allon and his team.


message 3: by Joe (new)

Joe Swithers | 12 comments Mitch Rapp Scott Coleman and the boys.


message 4: by [deleted user] (last edited Nov 12, 2014 04:51PM) (new)

Can I choose a German team from WW2 led by SS commando Otto Skorzeni, 'the most dangerous man in Europe' according to the British. He led the rescue mission that freed Mussolini from his mountain jail and also organised the SS units which infiltrated American lines in the Battle of the Bulge while wearing American uniforms,among other feats. I would pair him with the ficticious German airborne troopers led by Michael Caine to kidnap Prime Minister Churchill in the film 'The Eagle has landed'. Otto Skorzeni was a scarfaced, 6 foot 4 inch colossus who was as scary as he was dangerous.


message 5: by Stacey B (new)

Stacey B | 117 comments Michael- Wow- what a choice. I need some info so I can alert Gabriel Allon :) Unfortunatley, under Operation Grief, he was formidable and loyal to a madman. And... after the war he was a key person in the Odessa network. So the question is- does he redeem himself when asking Simon Weisenthal to erase his name as a war criminal in return for helping Mossad?? Weisenthal rejected the offer, but he still helped Mossad track former SS scientists working for Nasser. Or- did he do it to save his life from my boys??


message 6: by [deleted user] (new)

I am not sure about his motives after the end of the war. I do know however that he was a real soldier, not a butcher like too many SS soldiers, and was cleared of all accusations of war crimes by the Allies. He eventually died of natural causes in Spain, having run an import-export business. He was rumored to have been a lover of the famed Nazi female test pilot, Hanna Reitsch. All in all, a very interesting man indeed.


message 7: by Feliks, Moderator (new)

Feliks (dzerzhinsky) | 1257 comments Mod
'Operation Crossbow' (Sophia Loren, George Peppard) briefly featured Hanna Reitsch. Great scene


message 8: by Stacey B (new)

Stacey B | 117 comments Felix- I didnt see your "pick"????


message 9: by Feliks, Moderator (new)

Feliks (dzerzhinsky) | 1257 comments Mod
Haven't committed myself as yet...


message 10: by Samuel (new)

Samuel  | 648 comments Four man team? Fine. My pick would be "The Detachment" or "the Beatles as a hit-squad."
They're led by Vietnam war veteran and scourge of Japanese Politicians, John Rain. He's the "natural causes killer", a man who doesn't need a gun to kill someone. (He's actually a rubbish shot). Instead he uses more complicated and creative methods which do not leave any trace of foul play. Next, we have a USMC veteran turned contractor only known as Dox. Plays up the southern charm but can coldly drill holes in his targets with a M40 sniper rifle. Rounding off the group are two operators from the Intelligence Support Activity. One is Daniel Larrison and the other is Ben Trevalyn. Both of them hate each other's guts with a passion and are equally good at killing people.
The Detachment (John Rain, #7) by Barry Eisler


message 11: by Stacey B (new)

Stacey B | 117 comments Nice choice :)


message 12: by Samuel (new)

Samuel  | 648 comments Michel wrote: "I am not sure about his motives after the end of the war. I do know however that he was a real soldier, not a butcher like too many SS soldiers, and was cleared of all accusations of war crimes by ..."

Well Michel, turns out Skorzenzy allegedly had a part time job after the war. Mossad asset. Hired gun and literal triggerman for one of the institutes' earliest and most critical projects.

http://forward.com/news/336943/ht/


message 13: by Samuel (new)

Samuel  | 648 comments Samuel wrote: "Michel wrote: "I am not sure about his motives after the end of the war. I do know however that he was a real soldier, not a butcher like too many SS soldiers, and was cleared of all accusations of..."

I Knew he did security consulting for Juan and Eva Peron after the war, but it's surprising how he decided to take a job offer from men who would have either hanged him or shot him many times for what he had done in his career.


message 14: by [deleted user] (new)

Wow! If this is true, then it confirms to me the kind of character I believed Otto Skorzeni to be: intelligent, ruthless, resourceful, competent and highly skilled, but also a man who was far from being a psychopathic monster and who had some principles. He still is my favorite to lead my dream special ops team. Whatever he was in terms of ethics, he was certainly a superb soldier and man of action.


message 15: by Samuel (last edited Mar 28, 2016 11:11PM) (new)

Samuel  | 648 comments Just realized he was targeting the same project as described in Frederick Forsyth's "The Odessa File". Irony.

The fictional version has a everyman unglamorous German journalist and Mossad asset running down the facilitator who is hiring the former scientists to work for Nasser.

The real life version has one of the most dashing, feared soldiers of World War 2 turned Mossad asset conducting a slick campaign of direct action against those very scientists in cooperation with the institute and their officers.

This is one of those time you can say truth is stranger than fiction.


message 16: by Samuel (last edited Mar 28, 2016 11:19PM) (new)

Samuel  | 648 comments This article would be a great plot concept for a historical fiction novel. Moral ambiguity, a dashing anti-hero, guns, explosions and world events. Hell, it would make a great spy novel of the more classic/throwback/retro variety.


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