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That is just my thought on the matter. She is so absolute it never happened feels like a denial for me. @Winnie- I think that observation about being turned Pri Ya is very astute, it was an interesting twist for a storyline but in all reality the idea that someone would be essentially gang raped and then has to be rescued through 'sex' is kind of belittling. Also the reactions of supporting characters towards the rape were so masochistic. I agree, handling the rape was not a great thing for me either.
I have to disagree. I didn't see how her rape was handled poorly. She was mentally crazed. I say Barrons had to keep giving it to her while trying to mentally get her back with the dancing, xmas tree,pictures, etc.
Samantha wrote: "I have to disagree. I didn't see how her rape was handled poorly. She was mentally crazed. I say Barrons had to keep giving it to her while trying to mentally get her back with the dancing, xmas tr..."I guess its the simplification of the recovery that bothered me. It was handled to me kind of 'cutesy' rather than informatively or realistically. I have worked in the area, dealing with victims of those types of horrendous crimes (excluding Fae of course), and I don't think many would appreciate the idea after such an event a. you need more sex and b. someone dancing around singing songs is going to be that helpful. Its fiction, its literature you have to take it all with grain of salt but real life implications of a monstrous act like that are much more far reaching. at least in my opinion.
June wrote: "That is just my thought on the matter. She is so absolute it never happened feels like a denial for me. @Winnie- I think that observation about being turned Pri Ya is very astute, it was an inter..."
I think it was pretty tasteless how Barrons kept making light of her rape by joking about it. When he was all 'i thought you'd had enough unseelie things in your mouth.'
And also the fact that it was never really referenced again, like Mac didn't seem to go through much of recovery process. Other than being sexed back to functional brain level. It felt more like a plot device to conveniently make Mac immune to sex by fae dudes and level up so to speak. More so than a traumatic event.
I guess if you are looking at it in a realistic way, you would be correct. Since you worked in that area (minus fae. LOL), you would know. If she did get abused as a child, then the whole sex to zap her out of it, would never work. She has to many mental issue.
This makes me think that Observer/ personality thing is really going to make a re-emergence. Oh boy. It will get hectic then because she sounds like a damn machine ready to kill up the world. That would make sense too since Dani pretty much handles things with a grain of salt but never really allows herself to wallow or get bogged down with pain. That part of her would be allowed to express her anger and go crazy. If this is the case, no sexing will do the trick. You got to beat that down and tackle the mental as you do it. Make her get it all out of her system so she can deal with all of the crappy stuff she dealt with in life.
Samantha wrote: "I guess if you are looking at it in a realistic way, you would be correct. Since you worked in that area (minus fae. LOL), you would know. If she did get abused as a child, then the whole sex to ..."
I agree with no amount of sexing will help her out in this situation if observer mode is going on.
@ Fresiako - someone else talked about that very line last night. I totally forgot about all those
'good ole boy club' taunts. its gross when you think about it.
If she does stay in Observer mode, I don't think we need sex to help get her out. The last time she got stuck, one question from Ryodan and the Observer released her. If she does it again, Ryodan might be the key to unlatching her, just by talking or making jokes, since Dani says that humor is uniquely her, and not an observer characteristic
Cookie wrote: "If she does stay in Observer mode, I don't think we need sex to help get her out. The last time she got stuck, one question from Ryodan and the Observer released her. If she does it again, Ryodan m..."So true but if she is deep under control, he is going to have to do more than ask a question. Maybe like you said, tell her those Batman jokes while trying to stop her from killing him and everyone else.
GAH- i hate the observer storyline, it does reek of Pri-Ya all over again. If it happens, I just want Dani to deal with it and boot this 'other'. I want literally no time dealing with observer. Its Dani's personality that shines, just anticipating observer time as boring and not very fun.
June wrote: "GAH- i hate the observer storyline, it does reek of Pri-Ya all over again. If it happens, I just want Dani to deal with it and boot this 'other'. I want literally no time dealing with observer. Its..."See I find that part interesting. Dani would just brush it aside. The Observer wouldn't. Nope. I'm excited but I agree, I don't want a book or two just dealing with her. Nope.
Samantha wrote: "That part of her would be allowed to express her anger and go crazy. If this is the case, no sexing will do the trick. You got to beat that down and tackle the mental as you do it. Make her get it all out of her system so she can deal with all of the crappy stuff she dealt with in life. "
I have a feeling that to get past a possible observer take over, she'll need to deal with all of the crappy stuff that happened in her life. And you're right I think it'll be like an outlet for all the things that have happened to her that she'd hidden away for so long... I don't think Ryodan will be able to help her out of it. I think this is something only Dani can do herself.
After reading those extra pages last night I just left. I was so ticked at Mac. The one thing I can see Ryodan being upset with Dani abaout is how she left the abbey, if she had stayed with him then the confrontation wouldn't have happened. I hope he lets M % B have it with both barrels. And speaking of Barrons.. (view spoiler)
You might be right that she has to deal with this battle on her own. I would think she is the ultimate badass because she dealt with her issues without any help. He better lay into M &B. Give them hell for the one paragraph that will happen. LOL.
Samantha wrote: "You might be right that she has to deal with this battle on her own. I would think she is the ultimate badass because she dealt with her issues without any help. He better lay into M &B. Give the..."
Exactly! Ryodan better lay some grief and be pissed at barrons and mac. It's their fault Dani is going to lose her five years.
And Sue, I do hope badass 19 year old Dani will give Mac a lesson...
Samantha wrote: "You might be right that she has to deal with this battle on her own. I would think she is the ultimate badass because she dealt with her issues without any help. He better lay into M &B. Give the..."
Yeah, I think that it'll be something Dani will deal with on her own. It will definitely be one of the most bad ass things in the series if she deals with it on her own. And, she can show everybody what a strong person she is. Both physically AND mentally!
Cookie wrote: "And Sue, I do hope badass 19 year old Dani will give Mac a lesson... "Yeah ahaha. I've never been so desperate to see Mac get the shit beat out of her. x)
When she laughed it just killed me. I keep thinking on that part. She has no idea what will happen.Did anyone think it was cute that she tried to be all cool like in front of Barrons. Put her hand in her jeans and tilted her hips and said his name. LMAO!!! That's my babygirl for you.
Fresiako wrote: "Cookie wrote: "And Sue, I do hope badass 19 year old Dani will give Mac a lesson... "Yeah ahaha. I've never been so desperate to see Mac get the shit beat out of her. x)"
Oh yeah!! I would relish it at this point. I think it's high time.
Samantha wrote: "When she laughed it just killed me. I keep thinking on that part. She has no idea what will happen.Did anyone think it was cute that she tried to be all cool like in front of Barrons. Put her han..."
Her crush on Barrons is too cute haha!
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This is the saddest part for me. It shows just how deep her wounds and her loneliness goes...
Yeah the scene where she cocks a hip out to Barron, loved it. I am going to miss 14 year old Dani. She is the sh*t.
I refuse to think Dani was ever sexually abused, she shoots that down immediately. Yeah it could have happened when she was observer but Dani remembers those things after the fact. And I think she doesn't like being touched because she has so rarely experienced affection that it makes her uncomfortable(view spoiler)
Not gonna lie, I hope the Observer kicks Mac's ass as well LOL (she can't die, so it'll be okay)
I don't think the rape was handled that well, it made me extremely uncomfortable. and yeah it was like she never really emotionally dealt with what happened to her. There's a lot of victim like blaming in these books and it makes me uncomfortable as well. Like oh if you don't spring right back up after something terrible happens to you, you're weak and less than.
Nice theory Fresiako! I like the idea of Dani having to actually confront all the bad things she's experienced to defeat her observer. it makes a lot of sense really. She only seeks her observer when things get to be too much, and usually that's only when she's pushed past her emotional limit
I forgot that line. That disturbs me that she feels that way. My poor babygirl.
Cookie wrote: "Samantha wrote: "When she laughed it just killed me. I keep thinking on that part. She has no idea what will happen.Did anyone think it was cute that she tried to be all cool like in front of Bar..."
Haha! I love it when Ryodan makes fun of her having a crush on Barrons. And tells her to take out a billboard. Awww. She's just adorable. Man, I'm really going to miss seeing Dani as a kid.
Yeah, that scene made my heartache. KMM better let you find your own special place in the world to belong to.
Samantha wrote: "When she laughed it just killed me. I keep thinking on that part. She has no idea what will happen.Did anyone think it was cute that she tried to be all cool like in front of Barrons. Put her han..."
LOL I was going to mention that as well! cracked me up, she was running like a maniac and is just like "sup barrons." playing it all cool. ahahaha she is too cute
Then she sees the weCare paper and completely forgets him for a sec lol
yeah this chapter has been haunting me, it's really sad. Way sadder than I had thought it was going to be
there was a dani teaser when she came into faery remember? i think we'll have her, just not much.
OMG friendly reminder that there is only one more sleep until Burned. GAhhhhhhhhhh!
Sbcurious wrote: "I just had a horrible thought. Anyone that has read the book want to tell us if [spoilers removed]"I thought someone said we wouldn't for a very long time.
Melissa Tea wrote: "I refuse to think Dani was ever sexually abused, she shoots that down immediately. Yeah it could have happened when she was observer but Dani remembers those things after the fact. And I think she..."I hope you are right but I don't know anything anymore. I am just a mess.
Sbcurious wrote: "I just had a horrible thought. Anyone that has read the book want to tell us if [spoilers removed]"I know the answer, Shannon told me but idk if it's too much of a spoiler? I only know how many times her POV pops up, and you guys are not gonna like it
I kind of like the way the Mac pri-ya issue was dealt with. I mean she was literally a sex addict and not giving it to her seemed to cause her physical pain, but Barrons isn't a fae, so sleeping with her wasn't doing it more, it was like a balm to a wound or bandage, in that specific situation. He also used it partly to make her sleep and eat, and if she wasn't hurting from not having sex he spent the time reminding her of who she had and the life she had. She still needed sex just not as much, and then just with Barrons because it seemed feelings were involved it wasn't just physical even in her out of mind state. Locking her in a cell like Rowena sure didn't help. I desperately hope Dani wasn't molested or anything as a child, that's too much. I know people deal with it and it happens everyday, but that's part of why I read such outrageous fiction novels, if I wanted to read about child abuse I'd turn on the news. Hurting a child would be wayyyyyy worse then what happened to Mac. Of course look what happened to Barrons son? Hundreds of years of brutal torture and abuse, so we kind of already went there. Poor Dani, more people than just her mother knew about her situation as a kid and did NOTHING, again realistic because that happens everyday too, but for someone who has been through sOo damn much so early in life, and has made it clear at least that's the only thing they have left, then take even that away is just sick. I mean let a different character get crapped on for once instead, like Jo? Or a random other person. Maybe we're suppose to feel better about the fact Dani will eventually get lots of Love and what she wants, needs, and deserves, and she'll be ever so happy. Maybe this is true, but I find it hard for her who has been through the things to has to ever been COMPLETELY happy, even if she works out all her issues.
The observer thing already seems stale and played out. I have questions about it, but I don't really care so much if they get answered because the whole thing bores me. I mean that this other personality thing has is not only aware, but fights Dani when she uses it for control, and knows a lot more than she does? How can it, the only things it's suppose to know are things Dani went through and couldn't handle to remember which is the whole point of it's creation. I don't get how it has some otherworldly power all on it's own outside of Dani (they same body), that she can pull power from. What's Ryodan going to do, chain Dani up until he can force her to fight the observer in a mind to mind death match, by reminding Dani why she wants and needs to live?
Melissa Tea wrote: "I refuse to think Dani was ever sexually abused, she shoots that down immediately. Yeah it could have happened when she was observer but Dani remembers those things after the fact."The only thing that's worrying me, is that she also said that Rowena found her when she was 8. And then suddenly it was when she was 5. Also, she did say that the observer makes her forget everything... Lol of wiggle room there. I really hope you're right though. :(
Sbcurious wrote: "I just had a horrible thought. Anyone that has read the book want to tell us if [spoilers removed]"I think we must get some of her POV. Remember that teaser about new worlds/shifting etc. I'm like 99% sure that was Dani.
No Kristen...Dani is going to tie up Ryodan and make him tell her who his mama is. Lol. Just teasing.
Fresiako wrote: "Melissa Tea wrote: "I refuse to think Dani was ever sexually abused, she shoots that down immediately. Yeah it could have happened when she was observer but Dani remembers those things after the fa..."Fresiako, when did she switch the age from 8 to 5.
and wth is miss K Mo doing skipping day two and posting a music video instead of a teaser! lmao come on now girl, I need my fix!
Melissa Tea wrote: "and wth is miss K Mo doing skipping day two and posting a music video instead of a teaser! lmao come on now girl, I need my fix!"
Maybe this afternoon she will hit us over the head and we will spiral out of control. Lol.
Samantha wrote: "Fresiako wrote: "Melissa Tea wrote: "I refuse to think Dani was ever sexually abused, she shoots that down immediately. Yeah it could have happened when she was observer but Dani remembers those th..."In Dani's chapter there's a quote from when Rowena told her she found her when she was five. Dani assumes she couldn't keep track of her age, but I highly doubt it. I think that means Rowena had a hand in killing her mom. She'd do anything it took to get her hand on such a weapon, and Dani's mom wanted to leave Ireland. maybe it was because Rowena was hounding her?
Oh that switch ain't no accident. That age thing will come back later. Trust me.
I get the feeling that might be our only 'dani' passage. so many things happen in this book supposedly there will not be a lot of time devoted to outside characters besides mac.Hmm, good catch on the 5 versus 8 years of age. I think we are about to get a storyline bending. LOL
Samantha wrote: "Fresiako wrote: "Melissa Tea wrote: "I refuse to think Dani was ever sexually abused, she shoots that down immediately. Yeah it could have happened when she was observer but Dani remembers those th..."In Iced I remember Ryodan saying that "when you were eight she died while you were locked up. Rowena didn't find you for a week."
I'm guessing that was supposedly the 'first time' she met Rowena. Which leads me to believe her memory has been tampered with or something.
Also, the fact that her mum died while she was locked up. Makes me wonder whether dani was chained next to the decomposing corpse of her mother for a full week.
Melissa Tea wrote: "and wth is miss K Mo doing skipping day two and posting a music video instead of a teaser!
lmao come on now girl, I need my fix!"
Haha, I know right! I was like what the hell KMM. We need our teaser, not Imagine dragons. xD
The scene where Ryodan was teasing Dani about her crush on Barrons? I just remember it was brief and they were in Chesters and Dani was watching him and Mac, wondering why they were going on the lower levels because Mac never goes down there? Aw I wanna know exactly what he says.
Her memory was tampered by that Observer. She probably flipped out. I have that gut feeling.
Also, Ryodan knows so much. Rowena had journals on her whole life...bragging about her madness. There were none on Dani...at least Dani couldn't find them. Always thought those were lost journals. People rarely stop their habits. So maybe Ryodan has them. Sitting in his glass office reading them over and over.
Samantha wrote: "Her memory was tampered by that Observer. She probably flipped out. I have that gut feeling."Yeah, this is why I think that it might be likely that she suffered sexual abuse. I mean she explicitly states that the observer 'isn't a virgin'. So, who knows maybe she used to go into observer mode when all the cray and traumatic shit was happening to her. Maybe the observer tampered with her memory so she didn't go bat shit insane.
Samantha wrote: "Also, Ryodan knows so much. Rowena had journals on her whole life...bragging about her madness. There were none on Dani...at least Dani couldn't find them. Always thought those were lost journals. ..."Yeah, I agree. I think that's where Ryodan learned so much about Dani from. I mean he said he only learned of her existence when she was nine. So, he definitely must of had other sources of information regarding her childhood.
June wrote: "I get the feeling that might be our only 'dani' passage. so many things happen in this book supposedly there will not be a lot of time devoted to outside characters besides mac.Hmm, good catch on ..."
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Melissa Tea wrote: "June wrote: "I get the feeling that might be our only 'dani' passage. so many things happen in this book supposedly there will not be a lot of time devoted to outside characters besides mac.Hmm, g..."
Damn, that sucks. :(
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Yeah, but at the same time.. being hurt as a child is part of some peoples life. The topic is just so hard to write about. Very fe..."
My stomach is in knots. Yeah you are right. My poor baby if it is true.