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Samantha wrote: "My gut is still nagging me about [spoilers removed]"The more I think on it, the more I think you could be right Samantha. and jesus I don't want ya to be! lol (view spoiler)
Shannon wrote: "Samantha wrote: "My gut is still nagging me about [spoilers removed]"I think your theory there is totally legit. We don't get any answer on that in this book but it makes complete sense in a way...."
Unless someone (we haven't met) was there spying, I don't see another person doing that.
Shannon wrote: "Kristen wrote: "Mac sounded like she knew where that silver might lead in an "oh crap not that one, that one leads too....." way."She totally knows. The first line of the next chapter is the rest..."
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Melissa Tea wrote: "Samantha wrote: "My gut is still nagging me about [spoilers removed]"The more I think on it, the more I think you could be right Samantha. and jesus I don't want ya to be! lol [spoilers removed]"
Yeah. But I can't figure that out. I need to add that to my theories list for this series. Yeah, I'm sick like that :)
Does Mac at least feel bad? She should of followed her and suffered through it together, then they could of had their talk, and that's what she wanted, wouldn't even of had Barrons to hold Dani down.
Kristen wrote: "Shannon about that silver Dani disappeared into "Don't even ask it. We have one more day left. LOL.
Melissa Tea wrote: "Shannon wrote: "Kristen wrote: "Mac sounded like she knew where that silver might lead in an "oh crap not that one, that one leads too....." way."She totally knows. The first line of the next cha..."
Prison??? You guys are trying to kill me tonight.
Also I'm wondering what the title "Burned" means. Is it like everyone gets Burned in this book.
Samantha, sure I wanna ask it speeds up my reading process. Otherwise I'll read really slowly just to absorb the blows.
Samantha wrote: "Melissa Tea wrote: "Shannon wrote: "Kristen wrote: "Mac sounded like she knew where that silver might lead in an "oh crap not that one, that one leads too....." way."She totally knows. The first ..."
well that's the first place my mind went to! what other realms would we know of? gah say it isn't so! my poor bb!
Kristen wrote: "Samantha, sure I wanna ask it speeds up my reading process. Otherwise I'll read really slowly just to absorb the blows."lol
Kristen wrote: "Also I'm wondering what the title "Burned" means. Is it like everyone gets Burned in this book."I was thinking maybe the HFK/IFP hybrid changes into some sort of idk.. fire dumper LOL I can't think of a way to put it
Karen said the villain always gets back up twice
Yea but I don't know what villain you're talking about. I know there was an ice monster in Iced, but that's about it. I don't know the details of it.
Kristen wrote: "Yea but I don't know what villain you're talking about."in Iced there was a type of unseelie, the Hoar Frost King, that kept icing scenes where there was a specific sound/music. There's also a fire world IFP tethered in place at the abbey. Dani pushes Ryodan to cut the chord tethering the fire world IFP in place and the the Hoar Frost King gets trapped inside the IFP. They all freeze frame around it until it explodes and it seems as though the HFK is defeated
So the fire world is gone and the Frost king? Supposedly at least, two birds one stone?
Kristen wrote: "All these books later Mac shouldn't be making stupid mistakes like this, and thinking she can force people to do something or listen to her. Because she such a dangerous baddie on the verge of crazy evil and can use Barrons as a puppet whose strings she can pull. Most importantly, take some BLAME. Go on the top of the bookstore and shout to the world that you are stupid. "Haha, this is exactly what we were talking about. GOD. HAHAHAHAHA. She really should, I'd pay some good money to see Mac finally admit to the world she's a total idiot.
Melissa Tea wrote: "DUDE! Barrons could have EASILY grabbed Dani, wtf but he was too concerned with Mac's boobs! fecking idiot!
gah the part where she says she thinks she's never even been happy... MY HEART THOUGH Y..."
HOLY CRAP. Shit just got real. Lol, isn't it ironic that we were all just talking about how stupid Mac was. Next second, classic example of Mac being a retard. Isn't she supposedly Dani's best friend? She should understand not to treat Dani like an animal, and try to cage her down. Like wtf. OMG. DANI.
I feel like Dani's life is a crap magnet. Haha. Dani was right, the shit always hits the fan.The shit in her life is constantly hitting the fan. Fucking hell, when she was all "i've never been happy" and she leaps into the mirror expecting a grand adventurer. :( (That shit is too sad to comment on)
And you JUST KNOW that Dani's is not going to be able to choose how she loses her vcard. It'll be like the final cherry on top of her greek tragedy of a life.
Haha, I know. What the hell Barrons, too busy checking out Mac's breasts...
Kristen wrote: "So the fire world is gone and the Frost king? Supposedly at least, two birds one stone?"yeah, supposedly they both were taken out when they exploded.
Melissa Tea wrote: "Shannon wrote: "@Melissa Tea[spoilers removed]"
GOTCHA! (I think?)
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Ohhh dayummm. Girl is gonna be well versed in the Faery-verse by the end of her odyssey.
Still it's surprising she makes it back. How'd she do that?
And I know that Mac kept saying the Unseelie following her weren't her army, but I wonder if she told them to do something if they'd do it. Maybe they could be? Hmm.
Fresiako wrote: "Kristen wrote: "All these books later Mac shouldn't be making stupid mistakes like this, and thinking she can force people to do something or listen to her. Because she such a dangerous baddie on t..."yeah I'm so angry at Mac's character right now I don't know how I'm going to make it through her POV! She better redeem herself or this is book is getting NO STARS! not even one! ahaha
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oh she better get the most epic mind blowing virginity loss of her choosing! in a hot air balloon lifted by angels during a lunar eclipse with that guy from linkin park that she has a crush on, if that's what she fecking wants!
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Kristen wrote: "Still it's surprising she makes it back. How'd she do that?"we don't know for sure that she does. but if her observer kicks in, it seems to know everything so maybe that's how she finds her way out. Hate hate hate the idea of her observer taking over her, like she doesn't have enough shit to deal with! :(
Melissa Tea wrote: "Fresiako wrote: "Kristen wrote: "All these books later Mac shouldn't be making stupid mistakes like this, and thinking she can force people to do something or listen to her. Because she such a dang..."Oh I know, I have no idea how I will get through an entire book of Mac justifying her stupidity and her stupid actions. Ughhhh. God, Dani makes my heart ache. I want to snuggle her into my bosom and tell her it'll be okay. :(
It reminds me of shadowfever. When Barrons asked if Mac was ready to kill Dani at 14. She's had all her chances, and she fucked up. Be her judge jury and executioner. Like dayummm. This kid. Imagine how worthless she must think she is, if she thinks no one will even bury her? That's some deep rooted emotional trauma right there.
HAHA. I really hope that's the way her Vcard is lost. But knowing what we know of Dani's life. I bet that she'll have either already lost it due to her mum's boyfriends, or B) will lose it in some other dubious and traumatic manner.
I bet Ryo will get mad at Dani no matter what. Just the fact that she'd gone will make him lash out. Also, I bet Mac will give Ryo some bullshit excuse. And be all 'omg she ran away-we tried to stop her'. Without failing to mention she was running away from Mac the fucking spaz.
It was in Iced. A part of her that takes over and do bad stuff and knows everything. It is almost like a split personality thing. She calls it Observer.
Melissa Tea wrote: "Kristen wrote: "Still it's surprising she makes it back. How'd she do that?"we don't know for sure that she does. but if her observer kicks in, it seems to know everything so maybe that's how she..."
That Observer scares me since she says it doesn't want to let her go when it takes over. I can't have her under too long. Plus it might want to do crazy things. Sleep around. Smh. Lol.
Maybe the observer is where all Dani's power comes from? And it's been holding back on Dani letting her know who holds all the cards, and whose boss.
Good point but Dani doesn't remember much with that Observer or so she says.
Didn't Christian mention the Seelie queen messed with a few of their bloodlines too? And Adam messed Mac was fae touched by one of the royal houses? I thought he was talking about the book, but what exactly does "fae touched" mean, how did they touch them? Experiments.
Fresiako wrote: "Melissa Tea wrote: "Fresiako wrote: "Kristen wrote: "All these books later Mac shouldn't be making stupid mistakes like this, and thinking she can force people to do something or listen to her. Bec..."Right? But Ryodan knows about their broken friendship, knows what Dani did to Alina and that she doesn't want to face Mac. Remember the scene with Rainey Lane? when Ryodan says Mac's on her way he knows Dani won't stick around for it. He better not give her that much shit! yeah she was reckless but dude!
I can't see KMM including the Observer and never using it in the story, gah. What will Ryodan do to bring her back? lock her in a cage and starve her to jog her memory back? show her pictures of her dead mom? remind her of what Rowena did to her? it's all around a terrible concept!
Melissa Tea wrote: "Fresiako wrote: "Melissa Tea wrote: "Fresiako wrote: "Kristen wrote: "All these books later Mac shouldn't be making stupid mistakes like this, and thinking she can force people to do something or l..."Yeah it all sounds way too much like Barrons/Mac priya.
If she does go all observer, I'd want her to ultimately break free from observer mode on her own. That would be way more awesome than Ryo playing nurse nightingale.
Kristen wrote: "Didn't Christian mention the Seelie queen messed with a few of their bloodlines too? And Adam messed Mac was fae touched by one of the royal houses? I thought he was talking about the book, but wha..."I'm pretty sure it was the fae elixir of life that Cruce gave to her that he sensed.
I guess the observer was Dani's "coping mechanism" to being kept in a cage. It's how she survived without going mad
Melissa Tea wrote: "Kristen wrote: "Didn't Christian mention the Seelie queen messed with a few of their bloodlines too? And Adam messed Mac was fae touched by one of the royal houses? I thought he was talking about t..."Do you think she was raped as the 'observer'? She says when she's turning into her observer that 'she's not a virgin'. At first I thought it was just referring her to not being Dani, but it seems way fishy. Considering that Dani's observer POV gets really shady and facts start mixing together. And that Rowena found her in a cage when she was 5. And said she was totally broken into unusable pieces or something, leads me to believe she really did get raped.
What if Rowena told Dani's evil piece of trash mom to lock Dani in a cage, because she wanted to break her early on? Or maybe even mind manipulated her mother. I mean she wanted to give Mac back to the princes, or kill her when she couldn't control her. Though it's a different situation.
WHEW! finally, i just finished this thread! yall have been making me CRACK UP and think and wonder and get really really excited for Burned!!! so, my two cents: i feel like rowena found dani, let her mom break her for a few more years (by being the fecking idiot she was), and then had dani kill her mom in 'observer' mode - since that's who rowena supposedly was really after.
and then dani 'forgot' and got back in the cage and then rowena 'found' her - even though she'd known about her all along.
ALSO - i don't think dani was raped, bc she specifically says - when ryodan makes a comment about her mom's boyfriends playing with her - "NOT in that way. never that way. i'm a virgin and im proud of it" and i dont think kmm would have said that if it weren't true. it just seemed too honest.
i truly, genuinely believe she'll get that mind-blowing first time she's dreamed of. that'll be the part of the "love" she's supposed to get a lot of in this series :)
Chloe wrote: "WHEW! finally, i just finished this thread! yall have been making me CRACK UP and think and wonder and get really really excited for Burned!!! so, my two cents: i feel like rowena found dani, let..."
Hey Chloe: I'm not that certain Dani is a virgin. She says in Iced that her observer is not virgin becuase she doesn't exist. I don't know what the last part means, but I think as it is said in the same sentence with the observer not thinking Dancer is hot, and she doesn't feel, it could be true that Dani was sexually abused as a child.
Wonder how that will go along with some of the readers if it's true.
Ok peeps, last day before the release, no more spoilers for me (if there are any left at all) HAha..
gosh i hope that's not true!! that's just...too much. she's endured so much, i just hope she has that one thing untouched. if not, im gonna cry for days :(haha! yay! almost no more waiting!!
Winnie wrote: "Hey Chloe: I'm not that certain Dani is a virgin. She says in Iced that her observer is not virgin becuase she doesn't exist. I don't know what the last part means, but I think as it is said in the same sentence with the observer not thinking Dancer is hot, and she doesn't feel, it could be true that Dani was sexually abused as a child. "Yeah this is the exact reason why I think she really may have been sexually abused. She said that her observer wasn't a virgin. Like... maybe she's blocking the memories. Also, since she keeps making a point about how she's gonna at least have control over how she loses her vcard- I feel like if she figures out that she was 'sexually abused before' it'll really send her off the deep edge. It'll be the last straw so to speak. If you know what i mean...
Fresiako wrote: "Winnie wrote: "Hey Chloe: I'm not that certain Dani is a virgin. She says in Iced that her observer is not virgin becuase she doesn't exist. I don't know what the last part means, but I think as it..."that actually makes a lot more sense!!! the observer doesn't exist...yet. maybe she'll "make" it exist and then finally apply that to her and thus, if the 'observer' was sexually abused then technically, so was she.
i dont see that ending well.
and i dont see how ryodan or mac would deal with that either.
i just wonder how much darkness dani's going to have to endure before she can finally get that amazing love and light she's been promised...
Chloe wrote: "i just wonder how much darkness dani's going to have to endure before she can finally get that amazing love and light she's been promised... ..."
I know right, I've just started assuming that anything that can go wrong in Dani's life. Will. (Lol, I think this a quote from iced-how fitting)
Seriously though, if Dani doesn't fucking get the best HEA ever-in-the-history-of-HEA's. I will complain. She's been through too much crap.
Fresiako wrote: "Winnie wrote: "Hey Chloe: I'm not that certain Dani is a virgin. She says in Iced that her observer is not virgin becuase she doesn't exist. I don't know what the last part means, but I think as it..."She said that the observer makes her forget about the observer. So anything that happens while the observer is in charge, we have no clue about.
Fresiako: I also hope she gets the best HEA ever written.
Being the psycotic/obsessed fan I am, I have read some fanfiction on Dani/Ryodan. It wasn't good, but I think it was called something about Dani losing her virginity six times.
anyway.. the author of the fanfiction wrote six (or something) possibilities for Dani's love interest from the male characters we know of. And the funny thing was that none of them fit quite as well as the story with Ryodan.
I don't think that Ryodan will ever sit back and accept Dani having a relationship with anyone but himself.
Winnie wrote: "Fresiako wrote: "Winnie wrote: "Hey Chloe: I'm not that certain Dani is a virgin. She says in Iced that her observer is not virgin becuase she doesn't exist. I don't know what the last part means, ..."Haha, I think I've read that one too.
I am sure she was abused in some way sexually, she reacts too much like it. So this really long teaser/sample has me not feeling so hot for plotting. Why did Barrons not catch her and Mac seems oblivious of why Dani would run like she did. Hello??? dying to find out why barrons and mac never contributed to the HFK mystery. Where the hell were they, she has time to corner her in street but no time to help save the world?
Being abused sexually would just kill me. Damn.
Samantha wrote: "Being abused sexually would just kill me. Damn."Yeah, but at the same time.. being hurt as a child is part of some peoples life. The topic is just so hard to write about. Very few manage to do it well. I hope that KMM has not gone there.
I'm sorry KMM, I think she is a great PN writer, but I don't think she executed the Mac rape that good.
June wrote: "I am sure she was abused in some way sexually, she reacts too much like it. So this really long teaser/sample has me not feeling so hot for plotting. Why did Barrons not catch her and Mac seems ob..."
Yeah. I mean it'd explain why she hates being touched!
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