The Slow Regard of Silent Things
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Rothfuss Expose: What "The Slow Regard of Silent Things" really means for KKC fans!!
It would be nice to learn more about Alchemy
Idcboobs wrote: "Karen wrote: "I honestly love his book and am very glad that he wrote it. I guess that I am unclear as to how it is wrong for an author to make money with his artistry and talent. I have read ple..."How many people have been kicked out of his forums? How do you know this. Seems like prima donna move to kick someone out of a forum for asking a question that many people want to know the answer to, if this is true.
He does not have a forum.
I personally hope he does write 3 more books in the same universe, I have no problem with that at all. It is my favorite fantasy fiction out there right now.
There are heaps of forums, all dedicated to the books.Funny thing is that any of the mods of those forums will delete and ban any person who questions ANYTHING about book 3 (not including theories)
I mean when your book is almost 7 years late people tend to get a bit questionable.
Karen I hope you can still enjoy this series in another 7 years while you're waiting for another novella.
Idcboobs is a professional troll, please ignore him. He stated how much he hated book one and book two, that he despised the idea of The Slow Regard and gave it a 1 star rating before release, then expects us to believe he bought a physical copy for $10..20..30 and read it. Seriously, he's been a troll on othfuss books for years, and his points have been taken apart numerous times. I'm surprised he hasn't been banned yet.Please don't feed the trolls.
Matt wrote: "Idcboobs is a professional troll, please ignore him. He stated how much he hated book one and book two, that he despised the idea of The Slow Regard and gave it a 1 star rating before release, then..."Actually I never bought TSROST lmao, like i said, it's in my local bookshop, i've seen it for $30. In fact next time i'm there i'll be sure to take a picture, as well as a picture of the last page number.
Also you mention that my points have been taken a part numerous times? funny how every time i make points that the person i was replying to mysteriously vanishes.
But do go ahead, here's a chance for you to prove me wrong, you won't even have to think of anything, just quote some people who have proved me wrong, go ahead, should be easy considering how many people have apparently done it.
Or will you just vanish as well :) I find that to be more likely.
Top of the page Idcboobs
I will try to answer the point you are continously trying to make Idcboobs:"Do you know what the publishing schedule will be?
The next two books will come out in one-year intervals. I'm able to do this because when I started writing, I had no idea how long a book was. I just kept blazing a trail until I came to the end of Kvothe's story. When I finally finished, I looked back and realized I had a trilogy's worth of material."
If I am interpreting this mess correctly, you are saying that this statement from PR means he had the whole trilogy completely finished in 2007?
Yes, he has stated multiple times that he was writing it for years.Personally i think it was a straight up lie and now he's backpedaling while everyone else is figuring out that he's a fraud.
Extremely funny though since the first page of his first novel states word for word that "I keep my promises"
Idcboobs wrote: "Yes, he has stated multiple times that he was writing it for years." Ok, so because he had material for a trilogy, he had the entire series of books complete? I agree that it COULD be interpreted that way, but probably only if you are intentionally looking for malicious intent.
In my experience, having the material for something is not the same as having completed this something. As an example: A carpenter has gathered all the material he needs for building a house, nothing more. Is the house finished?
I would guess that this is a similar thing. He states in the interview that he has the material needed for a trilogy. This probably means that he has a rough draft for his story, not that everything is complete.
What I am trying to say here is that his statement can be interpreted in several ways (as other people has tried to make you understand as well) and that it is not, in your words "100% conclusive evidence" of his malicious intent. You are free to interpret it as you want, but what's the use in bashing people who doesn't share YOUR OPINION?
Idcboobs: "Personally i think it was a straight up lie and now he's backpedaling while everyone else is figuring out that he's a fraud."
Ok, so you admit that the response in the interview is not (again, in your words) "100% evidence" for the malicious intent of PR, it's your personal opinion.
Idcboobs: "Extremely funny though since the first page of his first novel states word for word that "I keep my promises""
In my view, he probably does. Or at least he tries to. If you believe he intentionally lied about the release-schedule of his books, fine. I choose to believe he was not experienced enough to make an educated guess, so he missed the country the ballpark resides in with his statement.
Twerking wrote: "Well, I had to laugh."Feel free. As far as I know, TSROST was never supposed to be the next volume in the series, and was never marketed as such.
Getting frustrated over delayed releases is completely understandable, but you should be used to it. It happens ALL THE TIME.
Øystein wrote: "Idcboobs wrote: "Yes, he has stated multiple times that he was writing it for years." Ok, so because he had material for a trilogy, he had the entire series of books complete? I agree that it COU..."
This whole post is based on the fact he might have meant he had the "material" other than the actual books written.
Lmao so tell me why he would have planned a 1 year release for each book if he only had the material? fucking idiot, nice attempt though, cherry pick my post and leave out the details that i specifically fucking post so people don't get confused.
Are you trying to be an idiot? I included different parts of the interview because obviously "material" might somehow imply an incomplete book or just a plan for the trilogy. Again though, he promised a 1 year release schedule. I'm sure he planned for 800 page books set for release every year with only a fucking plan lmao yeah you're totally right.
If he had any material whatsoever you'd think it wouldn't take almost 7 years to release a single book.
Admit it, he's scamming you, like twerking said, he's selling godamn auri soap. Does that sound like working on a novel to you?
Sanderson brings out multiple books a year with the same page depth and better plots, he's a legitimate author. I have never seen a fucking Sandersoap before.
Ok, great. I was trying to be civil, hoping you would respond better to that. Guess not.Idcboobs wrote: "This whole post is based on the fact he might have meant he had the "material" other than the actual books written."
YES IT IS. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT.
I am saying that your posts are based on the same type of argument, only you interpret "material" as "complete books". There is no "100% evidence" either way.
Idcboobs: "Are you trying to be an idiot? I included different parts of the interview because obviously "material" might somehow imply an incomplete book or just a plan for the trilogy. Again though, he promised a 1 year release schedule. I'm sure he planned for 800 page books set for release every year with only a fucking plan lmao yeah you're totally right."
Again with the name-calling, good going! Sure, he promised a 1 year release schedule. Schedules are blown ALL THE TIME, in any profession. Why are you so fucking upset about this particular one?
Never said he only had a plan, he might have had 2500 pages of material for all I know. Still doesn't mean the book is finished.
Idcboobs: "If he had any material whatsoever you'd think it wouldn't take almost 7 years to release a single book.
Admit it, he's scamming you, like twerking said, he's selling godamn auri soap. Does that sound like working on a novel to you?"
Why? People are different. Simply because one author is able to do something as awesome as Sanderson is, doesn't mean all authors are.
Scamming me in what way? I have read three books by PR, and I have enjoyed them all. I don't mind waiting for the next one, I have an education to finish in the meantime. How am I getting scammed?
Idcboobs: "I have never seen a fucking Sandersoap before."
EDIT: Also, the soap is for charity. That means its not a bad thing (or for profit).
Lots of authors do stuff for charity but most of them produce new material or contribute to charity collections.Pat dilutes his brand every time he allows a 3rd party to release cheap tie in products.
And its not all for charity, there was the $60 playing cards, 3rd party art prints (that are all off model) and babygrows.
Dont get me wrong most writers do it but they generally draw the line at tasteless cash grabs.
But if u wanna spend $50 on a offical Auri cog be my guest
Marc wrote: "Lots of authors do stuff for charity but most of them produce new material or contribute to charity collections.Pat dilutes his brand every time he allows a 3rd party to release cheap tie in produ..."
I don't really care for the whole "accessory" thing either. It is very often a blatant money-grab. And I won't deny PR is probably "guilty" of it as well. I probably would be too, if I had the chance.
Øystein wrote: "Marc wrote: "Lots of authors do stuff for charity but most of them produce new material or contribute to charity collections.Pat dilutes his brand every time he allows a 3rd party to release cheap..."
I have no problem with writers finding alternative revenue sources but Pat needs to pick his products rather than just reissuing fan art (such as super dreamy kvothe or porn star auri) or banging logos onto cogs, soap and shirts.
Øystein wrote: "Ok, great. I was trying to be civil, hoping you would respond better to that. Guess not.Idcboobs wrote: "This whole post is based on the fact he might have meant he had the "material" other than..."
Again, this whole post relies on the hypothetical fact that Rothfuss might have been implying that he had material such as a plan.
Again, you ignore the fact that he promised a yearly release schedule, again i'm going to call you an idiot because i stressed about 3 times in my previous post that a 1 year release schedule would directly imply that material meant 3 separate books all completely written.
Let's look at the quote, how about that?
"First-time novelist Patrick Rothfuss offers self-aware heroic fantasy in The Name of the Wind, the first volume in a trilogy (which is already completely written) about the life and legend of Kvothe, master magician, musician, thief, assassin and hero."
notice "completely written"?
"The next two books will come out in one-year intervals. I'm able to do this because when I started writing, I had no idea how long a book was. I just kept blazing a trail until I came to the end of Kvothe's story. When I finally finished, I looked back and realized I had a trilogy's worth of material. "
"end of kvothes story"
So Rothfuss kept writing until he hit the end of his story? but you imply that was only a plan?
seriously, try reading my post another few times before you comment about how this material was actually some sort of plan or character sheets or some shit.
Just because you say "there is no 100% evidence either way" does not mean that the evidence i provide isn't correct. There is never 100% evidence for anything, that doesn't stop people from making educated guesses, how would i get to this conclusion without making educated guesses.
The 100% evidence you talk about would be Rothfuss straight up admitting he was lying, which to my knowledge does not exist (I do think there is a quote where he acknowledges that he lied about the 1 year release schedule however)
"Again with the name-calling, good going! Sure, he promised a 1 year release schedule. Schedules are blown ALL THE TIME, in any profession. Why are you so fucking upset about this particular one?
Never said he only had a plan, he might have had 2500 pages of material for all I know. Still doesn't mean the book is finished."
Really? all the time? in any profession? name one.
If an architect is late producing the plans for a hotel what happens? he's fired and most likely sued.
What about if the next iphone is delayed 7 years because apple starts releasing soap and trading cards? do you think people will be like "oh lol who cares haha i'd prefer they take their time with their already finished product haha i want the best quality ^_^"
no.
What about an essay for fucks sake? Go to uni and hand in an essay 2 days late let alone 7 years and you've failed, you're kicked out because you didn't meet expectations.
Authors are the only profession were you can get away with being late on something you promised, however i'm sure many people would agree that a serious author or an author that takes their career seriously (because that's what it is, a career) is going to gain much more respect.
Unless of course Rothfuss doesn't care about respect and only gives a shit about the money coming in.
Please, try again, refute me, just try it because your last two posts have been you parroting the same worn out argument i've responded to a dozen times and complaining about name calling lmao.
Seriously try again.
Idcboobs wrote: "Øystein wrote: "Ok, great. I was trying to be civil, hoping you would respond better to that. Guess not.Idcboobs wrote: "This whole post is based on the fact he might have meant he had the "mate..."
Its a bit hypocritical complaining about me not reading your post, when you clearly have not read mine.
Idcboobs: "Again, this whole post relies on the hypothetical fact that Rothfuss might have been implying that he had material such as a plan.
Again, you ignore the fact that he promised a yearly release schedule..."
Again, YES THAT'S THE POINT. The same way your posts rely on the hypothetical fact that he had 3 books completely written.
I did not ignore that. I tried explaining how deadlines get blown all the time. Lets look at some examples: Building projects almost never keep within their time-limit (or budget), almost to such an extent that its EXPECTED that such projects overrun. Video game releases get pushed back all the time. It even happens with movies. It's also a fairly common occurrence in the world of books, like you said.
Like I said in my previous post: material could mean he has written 2500 pages worth of story. It could still be far from complete. Also, i never implied that he only had "a plan and some character sheets", like I said, it could mean he has 2500 pages written. So just shut up about that, it almost makes it look like you don't read the comments you reply to!
But anyways, lets assume he had a lot of story written down. It would be natural to assume that it would take a fairly short amount of time to get that out, I agree. But it seems like he was not able to do that, no? People make mistakes. That's ok.
Idcboobs: "First-time novelist Patrick Rothfuss offers self-aware heroic fantasy in The Name of the Wind, the first volume in a trilogy (which is already completely written) about the life and legend of Kvothe, master magician, musician, thief, assassin and hero.
I agree that this is clearly stating that PR has "completely written" the books. But, this is not a statement from PR. Its from Publishers Weekly.
I will agree that it's not good to leave that in the interview when posting it to his own page when he clearly did not have the complete trilogy ready. So that's a bit shady.
Idcboobs: "Just because you say "there is no 100% evidence either way" does not mean that the evidence i provide isn't correct. There is never 100% evidence for anything, that doesn't stop people from making educated guesses, how would i get to this conclusion without making educated guesses.
The 100% evidence you talk about would be Rothfuss straight up admitting he was...
Of course it doesn't mean that your evidence is not correct! The only thing i am questioning is the conclusion you have arrived at based on that evidence. Evidence is always open to interpretation.
Also, the 100% evidence thing is yours, from previous posts, not mine.
Idcboobs: "Please, try again, refute me, just try it because your last two posts have been you parroting the same worn out argument i've responded to a dozen times and complaining about name calling lmao.
Seriously try again. "
Listen, you have obviously not understood what the point of my posts have been. I am not trying to refute your statements, at least not in any meaningful way. What I'm trying to get across is that you can't possibly know for certain that what you say is correct. Just the same way I can't really claim to know what is really going on here. And I think that should be a prerequisite for trying to instigate the kind of hate you seem to want.
You are almost like a village priest, trying to instigate a mob to get a man hanged because, based on your interpretation of what someone said, he may have done something you think was bad.
But hey, you may be an idiot creationist for all I know, this whole thing would be explained if that's the case: "Here is some evidence that I choose to interpret in my own way! If you say it can be interpreted in any other way you are a blasphemer and an idiot because, clearly, my way is the only correct way!"
Øystein wrote: "Idcboobs wrote: "Øystein wrote: "Ok, great. I was trying to be civil, hoping you would respond better to that. Guess not.Idcboobs wrote: "This whole post is based on the fact he might have meant..."
Lmao holy shit you really do have a talent for just straight up ignoring things i've said.
I think my favorite part about this post is the amount of times you admit that i'm correct and then turn around and say that it doesn't mean i'm correct.
For example you agree that the 3 books already written statement could be shady yet you question the conclusion?
If you admit that the statement he makes about the three books already being completed could be a lie how could my conclusion that he's a liar be incorrect?
These are some serious mental loops you're reaching through mate.
"Of course it doesn't mean that your evidence is not correct! The only thing i am questioning is the conclusion you have arrived at based on that evidence. Evidence is always open to interpretation.
Also, the 100% evidence thing is yours, from previous posts, not mine."
This means literally nothing. It is a paragraph that literally 100% means nothing. You're questioning the conclusions i've come based on evidence? What evidence are you questioning? Tell me how my connections that the books are releasing way later than scheduled, that Rothfuss isn't even writing the books, the fact that he's changed the schedule a dozen times or the fucking fact that he lied in an interview to gain fans are not a scam. Tell me how this conclusion could possibly be false.
Your assumption is literally all these points = coincidence.
You offer no other conclusion to these points other than "nah you're wrong but i'm not going to tell you why"
I mean you straight up admit you enjoy ignoring everything i've said: "Again, you ignore the fact that he promised a yearly release schedule..."
Again, YES THAT'S THE POINT. The same way your posts rely on the hypothetical fact that he had 3 books completely written."
My points don't rely on the hypothetical fact he had 3 books completely written. One of my points includes the fact that he stated in an interview before the release of his first book that all three books were written and this allowed him to release the books on a yearly schedule.
Please re-read the above paragraph because i've had to write it so many damn fucking times to you. You're paraphrasing me and building a fucking straw man. You turn my entire conclusion into "BUT HE HAS THE MATIERAL :(" when i've made these conclusions based on about 6 different points.
"I did not ignore that. I tried explaining how deadlines get blown all the time. Lets look at some examples: Building projects almost never keep within their time-limit (or budget), almost to such an extent that its EXPECTED that such projects overrun. Video game releases get pushed back all the time. It even happens with movies. It's also a fairly common occurrence in the world of books, like you said."
Give me an example of one of these occurrences in which fans or followers of one of these dead lines did not get angry at the publisher for being late.
You say i'm not allowed to be pissed off? why not? you give me these examples as if they mean shit, if a video game is late the fans fucking ass blast the publisher to shit. If a building site is late the architect suite is sued. These points were in my previous post but your fucked up reading comprehension must have mistaken them for "oh durr other company's aren't late so neither can authors :("
"Like I said in my previous post: material could mean he has written 2500 pages worth of story. It could still be far from complete. Also, i never implied that he only had "a plan and some character sheets", like I said, it could mean he has 2500 pages written. So just shut up about that, it almost makes it look like you don't read the comments you reply to!
But anyways, lets assume he had a lot of story written down. It would be natural to assume that it would take a fairly short amount of time to get that out, I agree. But it seems like he was not able to do that, no? People make mistakes. That's ok."
Like I said in my previous post which you obviously chose not to read; Rothfuss based a yearly release schedule on this material. If you could promise a yearly release based on a trilogy that is most likely 2500+ pages then you obviously fucking know that you have that material. Please re read this fucking paragraph again, i am so fucking sick of you straw manning this single fucking point over and over again, i've made it about 4 times to you now and you ignore it every single fucking time.
And then when you do assume hypothetically that IF the books were written completely it doesn't matter because...."everyone makes mistakes"
are you a bitch? seriously? An author makes a promise to release books on a yearly schedule and was 4 years late to release the second and almost 7 years late to release the third and you say "everyone makes mistakes"
I'll give you this example again because you obviously ignored it for a reason. A student has an essay to turn in, he promises to hand it in by the end of the year, it's a good essay he promises and it's basically already written so he can hand it in earlier to impress his lecturer.
That student then hands in the essay 5 years late. Do you think the lecturer will be like "everyone makes mistakes :)"
fuck no and fuck off with that bullshit.
The rest of your post is a gigantic ad hominem. You might say the same about my posts but i base my theories of your idiocy around the stupid posts you make regards to mine. Straight up hard evidence.
Wow idcboobs, I have not seen this much nerd rage since I wiped our dungeon group healing in Magisters' Terrace, while eating cheerios. That was clear back in TBC! Anyhoo...why are you so upset about this? I mean, you are just trolling, right? Nobody can seriously be this upset over a book. Really? And if so, why? Why Rothfuss? You are upset because he doesn't write as fast as Sanderson? That cannot be it. Is it? You are upset because he is successful? Why? Are you upset because you have your terrible review of Doors of Stone ready to go and nowhere to post it yet? You have to be trolling...there is no possible way you can be serious.
Karen wrote: "Wow idcboobs, I have not seen this much nerd rage since I wiped our dungeon group healing in Magisters' Terrace, while eating cheerios. That was clear back in TBC! Anyhoo...why are you so upset a..."Does this question matter at all?
It's not personal it's a matter of respect, you're asking my to respect someone i despise, what's the point of that question?
Martin wrote: "Read the second part .. Betsy is the reason why Rothfuss can get away with lazyness .. Hate her for a bit :)"
"So I realized I had a lot of work to do. I quit my job teaching. I quit teaching fencing at the YMCA. I quit advising the College Feminists."
http://blog.patrickrothfuss.com/wp-co...
I love that these two things are in the same post
thanks for the link though, does clear some stuff up
Isnt a man advising a feninist - mansplaining ?Shame !
Hes teaching fencing at the local YMCA, does it also have hawking and chariot racing.How up market is that area.
Idcboobs wrote: "Øystein wrote: "Idcboobs wrote: "Øystein wrote: "Ok, great. I was trying to be civil, hoping you would respond better to that. Guess not.Idcboobs wrote: "This whole post is based on the fact he ..."
Look, sorry about the attack in my last post. I was somewhat inebriated when i wrote it, so my normal filter wasn't completely intact.
I am going to stop trying to refute your claims, because you get hung up on answering that rather than the point I have been trying to make: You have no way of being completely sure about what you are saying, and neither have I. But in situations like that, people should be given the benefit of the doubt. Innocent until proven guilty and all that jazz.
After looking a bit more into this stuff, I tent to agree that there are some things that looks a bit shady. And my opinion of PR may have changed somewhat. But I still can't claim to know that he is intentionally lying to people. And I can't understand how you can claim that, when you talk about how evidence-focused you are. You have decided that PR is a scam-artist, even though you have no conclusive evidence. True, a lot of the stuff you have posted makes looks like he has been dishonest, but again, it's not conclusive, and that's that it needs to be.
Lastly, I am still not completely sure about how he is scamming people. Could you explain that? I will concede that he may have been dishonest, but how is this a scam? Is tricking people into giving him money?
Øystein wrote: "Idcboobs wrote: "Øystein wrote: "Idcboobs wrote: "Øystein wrote: "Ok, great. I was trying to be civil, hoping you would respond better to that. Guess not.Idcboobs wrote: "This whole post is base..."
All good man. takes a lot to admit you could be wrong
Basically when Rothfuss released his first book he told everyone that the trilogy was already written and he was able to 100% release everything in the next two years. A lot of readers like me do not want to wait 5+ years for a book after the whole G.R.R Martin fiasco, so not having to wait for a series to finish before buying the books sounded great since it would only be a years wait for the next book.
Anyway that promise got a lot of people to buy the book and become fans, then book two gets delayed for four years and during that delay all we see of Rothfuss is him doing interviews, signings, petitions, kickstarters etc. Just a lot of no writing. Which again is VERY similar to Martin (not even sure if he's still writing or leaving the books open ended).
So anyway the more time that goes on, the more press he gets from his advertising, the more people find his book and the more fans he gets. He's still making money from book 1 and all his merch and book 2 has just come out; the only release date for book 3 is 2012 which you can still see in some reviews.
Fast forward more interviews and kickstarters book 3's schedule changes from 2012 to 2014 to 2015. A lot of people thought 2015 was a sure thing seeing as it was about the same time gap from 1 to 2 and then what happens?
The slow regard for silent things comes out. What does that mean? Instead of actually writing book 3 like he'd been promising everyone he was doing (since he did lie about all books being written) he had been working on a 150 page novella about an already established character that has almost no plot and focuses on her mental illness.
I've seen the novella sell for as much as $30 in book stores. So Rothfuss lies about the release date of book 3 and releases STROST while people are extremely hyped up since book 3's release date was getting closer with no change. Obviously every single fan of his bought STROST almost instantly. It was simply a cash grab.
What happens next? book 3 gets pushed to 2017 with no actual date just an estimation because Rothfus refuses to update anyone about the book at all.
Basically he's spread the 2 year release date over the course of 7-8 years milking fans for their money through merch, interviews, kickstarters, short story's and almost no guarantee that he is writing book 3.
I've never argued about the quality of the books, some of the plots in them are pretty cool as well as the magic system, i care more about people knowing how much of an asshole the author is.
Oh wow. Just wow. Have you really not realised that I have been saying I could be wrong since my first post? That was my whole point. That I can be wrong, and so can you. And I made it REALLY clear in my last post. It DOESN'T take a lot to admit I could be wrong. Why should it? I am not so proud that I hold my own opinions above all others.
I mean, of course I could be wrong, that is sort of the whole point in a discussion. If there is no doubt whatsoever, there is no ground for discussion. This whole thread is about personal opinions, and that includes your posts.
But I'm starting to see that this is the problem here. You will not admit you could be wrong, will you?
Øystein wrote: "Oh wow. Just wow. Have you really not realised that I have been saying I could be wrong since my first post? That was my whole point. That I can be wrong, and so can you. And I made it REALLY clear..."I could be wrong, nobody has offered any other conclusion to any of this other than "it was a mistaaaaaake" though which is easily imo as bad.
Ok, good.I get where you are coming from. As I said earlier, I admit that there are things that looks a bit shady. And at the moment, your explanation may have better arguments than the other one. But none of the arguments are conclusive, on either side. Of course you can think whatever you want about the guy, and you can say whatever you want. But you put forward your claims as though they are facts. They are not.
When that is the case, shouldn't he be given the benefit of the doubt?
Even if it turns out he has been lying, I will probably continue buying his books (if they are not shit), or at least borrowing them. I don't care about the author, I care about the books.
Øystein wrote: "Ok, good.I get where you are coming from. As I said earlier, I admit that there are things that looks a bit shady. And at the moment, your explanation may have better arguments than the other one..."
Fair enough.
Hopefully doors of stone is worth the wait for you
I know this is an old-ass conversation, but as we've yet to get the last KKC book, I think it's still apropos. This is a kind of review of reviews I wrote about the book when it first came out and I would like to get others' take on my opinion. I'm open to criticism obviously, but this is why I feel like this book was something intriguing and the reason why it feels important as part of the series.Reviews calling Auri OCD and agoraphobic and all that have missed the entire thrust of The Name of the Wind altogether. Kvothe knows *the name of the wind* .. that is the source of his magic. So Auri spending weeks on end in the Underthing moving her bits and bobs around is not OCD. Auri knows the names... of everything. And she doesn't just know their names... she knows *them* and she knows that elusive quality of their rightness with the balance. If Kvothe is as powerful as he is with a handful of names, what does that make her? Nothing happens, but only if you don't realize what Auri is.. in 138 pages if you don't glean it, you might as well not write a review bitching about how pointless this interlude is and complaining that Rothfuss' time would have been better spent writing the third book, because the third book would be lost on you anyway.
Blue wrote: "I know this is an old-ass conversation, but as we've yet to get the last KKC book, I think it's still apropos. This is a kind of review of reviews I wrote about the book when it first came out and ..."I think it was more to show depth of naming rather than the surface flashy we see kvoth using.
Hah! I had forgotten about this thread. Such a frustrating read, so thank you for that act of necromancy Blue... :pBut yeah, the book shows us that the magic in this world has more depth than simply names. I'm not sure I would really say it adds a lot to it though, the magic system I mean.
My point wasn't really about what it added to the magic system, although I think it does add a lot of depth to it, but only in ways that were already hinted at in the other books. My point was more about Auri probably being the most badass and powerful magic-wielder there is (that we know of), because she doesn't have to really learn any of that stuff, names and whatever spellwork stuff they taught at the university, she knows it all instinctively. Knows it ALL, including all the intricate details beyond just the names. And all that she does with that knowledge is settle her space into rightness with the nature of the things she interacts with. But if she decided to use it to manipulate circumstances (the way Kvothe does), she would be unstoppable I think. Maybe it will never come up, but after reading this novella, I would freakin' love to see Auri go all gully on the world. If it comes up, it would definitely have made this book make more sense... so that we understand when Auri goes nuclear where it's coming from.
Yeah, i understood what you meant, the second part of my comment was aimed more at Arbré. I don't think it adds a lot of depth to the system as much as it hints to it.But yeah, Auri may very well be the most powerful human in the books, but i doubt she will ever go gully on the world, as you say. If she does, I'd say it would probably be because something happened to make her snap and go utterly insane, and, given her supposed power, that would not be a good thing for the world.
Wow, so I'm the one that wrote that original post so long ago. I can't believe it has been 4 years. Even at the time I wrote it I thought the wait extreme for book 3. Then, after reading what had been practically marketed as book 3 on Amazon at that time, I had to express my feelings here.
I do think it ended up largely how I thought it might. 4 years later and still no book. I grew tired and haven't even checked on it in longer than I can even remember. I did look today.
Right now, this is my guesstimation as to what has happened with this guy. He probably started as a typical fantasy fanatic when he first got going with the original story. I'll bet he never expected it to get as popular as it did. Plus, he became something of a literature professional/teacher or something.
So, then he had some English poetry teachers to impress as book 2 got going and he farted out the Slow Regard of Silent things which revealed his inner turmoil about his situation. Probably around this time he became fearful of having no "real" story and had a bunch of ideas about one. So, the lies where he stated it would be a yearly release were completely implausible.
So, he writes The slow Regard of Silent things as a poetic brain fart to get everyone off his butt and hopefully save face with the English Professor consortium. And now finally, I'm reading he has said some stuff about The Doors of Stone being a prologue.
I don't think your fans care anymore dude. If you are telling people it's a beginning or something like that, you are creating a fear of actually liking it given your track record of meeting deadline's. I want to run fast and hard after hearing that statement. 1 million page prologue........https://www.tor.com/2018/03/07/patric...
Holy crap! What is this guy thinking? I was sick of waiting on these turds and now he's saying this pile of manure you've been waiting on is really just leading you to a shed of immeasurable manure.
So, that's crazy. I think the guy found a cash cow and is trying to milk that sucker like crazy. He had to rethink the whole thing because he's afraid of letting the story go and be finished and lose the golden eggs. There it is.
JK Rowling probably ran into this, but made the correct decision to complete her story. George Lucas again finished and wrapped up his story. The great one's know that great stories have great finishes, and they realize that's how it works. The money isn't the driving force. However, here with Rothfuss, we have a guy who is cowering in fear so much he is claiming it's all really a prologue.
So obvious now we are dealing with a coward of a man, not anywhere near in the caliber of the greats. Rothfuss never should have been lauded by fantasy fans. He was really more - the best around at the time. Thank god those times are over. Patrick Rothfuss you are ended no matter what you do. Hide and watch. You release what you are saying and whatever fans are left are going to know they have been completely lied to by a lying coward of a man. I hate to bust out with it like that, but call a spade a spade and a complete and utter shameful thing that it is, to be a coward, so as it must be to look in the mirror for you, my friend. @patrickrothfuss
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Fohgetdatshit wrote: "Wow, so I'm the one that wrote that original post so long ago. I can't believe it has been 4 years. Even at the time I wrote it I thought the wait extreme for book 3. Then, after reading what had..."
I mostly agree with you. At this point I think the guy is delusional. I still love the books (TSRoST as well, all the snowflake comments aside) though. From what I've seen, most of the people giving the series a bad rep is doing so mostly because of the magnitude of asshattitude the author is showing. In my opinion, that's not okay.
The books can be good even if the author is a dingleberry. At this pace, Brandon Sanderson will have finished ASoIaF after GRRM has passed away before the first book in the sequel series is even a draft.
As for many the bad reviews TSRoST got: It's like those tech reviews people leave on online electronics stores when what they bought doesn't do something they wanted it to do. Say a memory card reader that doesn't read the memory card you want it to read. If the customer had read the specs carefully, they would know that it wouldn't work for them. That doesn't make it a bad product. I don't know how TSRoST was marketed on Amazon, so if it was indeed marketed as the next major release in the series, that's definitely grounds for complaint. That still doesn't make it a bad book though.
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You say that but the soap is currently with the editors and well be available 20xx
Damn, I just assumed he had released it. I never learn.
Øystein wrote: "Fohgetdatshit wrote: "Wow, so I'm the one that wrote that original post so long ago. I can't believe it has been 4 years. Even at the time I wrote it I thought the wait extreme for book 3. Then, ..."
Well, that's a fair approximation.......it's been a long time since I suffered reading that book. I thought it sucked too. I think it said Kingkiller 2.5 or something and it may still say that I'm not sure, but I expected something with some entertainment value, sure. For me, this did not have it. It was at best a character profile of a not so interesting soap maker of a character. I actually left that book less interested in Auri than when I picked it up. I do remember some soap adventure now that I think about it and literally dreaded reading page after page of that awful disgrace of a book. It wasn't just a letdown of expectation. My eyes were molested by the book. I'd never read a story like that..............it was all snowflake laden soap BS crap. It reminded me of back in the 80's when they made She-Ra figures and I accidentally purchased this doll thing believing it was He-man related. I'd never have bought and played with a Barbie, but they tricked me. Patrick Rothfuss tricked me into reading a little girl tale about soap. ............It is unforgivable.
I enjoyed the snowflakedness of Auri a lot. I think because it seemed believable to me? I'm not really sure. Maybe I should do a re-read. It's short and it will count towards my reading challenge, so wth.Now, what I did not enjoy was Pat telling people the book was only for extra special snowflakes. And if you didn't like the book it wasn't meant for you in the first place.
That being said, I try to separate any comments from the author and anything an author does or says irl from the actual book. So in my mind, the hedging Pat did in his opening (or closing?) comments aren't really part of the story.
I thought that was pretentious and insightful to how he probably knew he was releasing a dog turd. He knew it and did it anyway. He thought if he had friends defending him in the book I'd give a crap, but I don't. He stopped being a fantasy author and became a poet soap describer.........just total fail. He knows he can't do that, but he gave up playing dungeons and dragons with his friends and started playing barbie with his daughter. I don't know, but it totally sucked, he knew it, and tried to manipulate people because he is delusional and probably has a bunch of sycophants around him to such an extent he believes the rest of us are, and that is not the case. He is a Hack. A lot of people have been suckered without realizing it, but I have not. He is a coward hack and it was said here first. He is just manipulating the hopes of his fans, but is not capable of delivering the goods. The question is how much are you willing to suffer before admitting its true. For me, that threshold was passed a long time ago, but if you are still holding on, just wait, there will come a time and when it comes. Remember people tried to warn you.
I heard if you use the soap you get part way through the wash, stop, wait till the waters cold and eventually Sanderson comes in to finish you off.
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Yup :)
Have fun reading this series for the next 40 years. I heard the next two books are going to be great.