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I’ve seen KISS in concert during their heyday in 1977, and I’ve seen Peter, Paul & Mary in concert. Smashing Pumpkins. TomTom Club (basically Talking Heads without David Byrne). Lots of diverse stuff. But that show with NIN and Bowie ... I don’t think that will EVER be topped for me.
Always a little sad I never got to see Bowie live.
Travis wrote: "Always a little sad I never got to see Bowie live."I do cherish that concert.
Not at all Who related, but needs to be said: The Mandalorian is freakin' brilliant!
Travis wrote: "Not at all Who related, but needs to be said: The Mandalorian is freakin' brilliant!"If we’re going there ... Star Trek: Picard is frelling BRILLIANT!
So behind on my Trek watching. Haven't seen any of the new TV Trek stuff.
Star Trek Discovery is quite good. I haven’t seen Star Trek Lower Decks yet.
They’ve got three new series in the works as well: Strange New Worlds, The Prodigy & one about hasn’t been titled yet about Starfleet’s black ops decision Section 31.
On one hand, it's great to see new Trek, but for some reason, I don't have the same urgency to track it down.Maybe it's covid, but I have lost my interest in 99% of new stuff.
My co-workers are into Queen's gambit, and I haven't seen it because I'm currently binging all the Gerry Anderson shows and Tom Baker Who.
I’m currently rewatching Farscape. Which I frelling love! And Space 1999 which was the show that got me into going to conventions back in the 70s. Great times. 😻
I may have to rewatch UFO and The Prisoner soon.
And Firefly, or course.
Been rewatching Space:1999 and UFO myself.Good shows that couldn't quite figure out what they wanted to do.
Space has a beautiful set and great ideas, but panicked season 2 and tried to be Star Trek.
UFO had so much potential, but never seemed to have a clue what to do with the aliens.
Love the Prisoner.
We already rewatched The Prisoner--all of them. We own all of the seasons of Columbo, and it's amusing just how many episodes that Patrick McGoohan was in--and how many he directed. He and Peter Falk must have been friends. We rewatch Tom Baker's Dr. Who episodes the most--followed by Peter Davison, then Jon Pertwee. But my favorite is still Matt Smith--but we don't own all of his seasons, as we do with the others. And we're also in the process of rewatching all of the Forever Knight seasons--a highly underrated vampire show from the 90's--gotta love all of the indie music this show from Canada included! Gotta suggest Firefly to my husband next--we own the seasons and the final movie. And may I add, sci-fi nerds rule! It's so nice to have other fans to talk to!
At my library, we have this little enclave of sci-fi nerds. We all have our particular favorites, but those that aren’t sci-fi nerds just roll their eyes at us. We laugh at them when they do that. For underrated vampire shows, I’m rather partial to Kindred the Embraced based on the RPG Vampire: The Masquerade Revised. I’m a big fan of the game and they did a nice job with the series, unfortunately it only lasted 8 episodes in the mid 90s.
Travis wrote: "... Space has a beautiful set and great ideas, but panicked season 2 and tried to be Star Trek...."Yeah, I agree completely. I loved that show with my heart and soul as a teenager. Gothic sci-fi is as weird a combination as sci-fi western. Year 2 was flashy and filled with cheesy action music, it was so sad to watch such a unique series became so ... predictable and commercial. Year 2 still has some good episodes, but the first season is much more consistent in overall quality, episode to episode. If Finish is doing a new adaptation of Space 1999 Which is pretty darn good. Space 1999: Breakaway is out now and Space 1999 Volume 1 is coming next year.
Rick wrote: "Travis wrote: "... Space has a beautiful set and great ideas, but panicked season 2 and tried to be Star Trek...."Yeah, I agree completely. I loved that show with my heart and soul as a teenager...."
I appreciate season one's more trippy and cosmic vibe, but season 2 is decent.
Watched one of the episodes that freaked me out as a kid, and was happy to discover it was still creepy.
My big problem with season 2 is losing Barry Moorse, with no explanation.
Fiona wrote: "We already rewatched The Prisoner--all of them. We own all of the seasons of Columbo, and it's amusing just how many episodes that Patrick McGoohan was in--and how many he directed. He and Peter Fa..."Haven't seen Forever Knight since the 90's. Completely forgot about that show!
Travis wrote: "... My big problem with season 2 is losing Barry Moorse, with no explanation."Agreed.
At one of the Space 1999 conventions I attended, this would have been late 80s (maybe early 90s, but probably not), Barry Morse and his lovely wife Sydney, attended without any payment. Just the cost of their hotel room and meals was covered. At one one point there was less than a dozen of us around and he told us all to call him Grandpa. He was one of the most charming, genial and genuine people I’ve ever met. I still tear up when I think about him. Such a wonderful person. I also got an opportunity to meat Martin Landau while he was doing a touring production of Dracula. He was, of course, the titular Count. The show was excellent and some friends of mine who had worked with the Space 1999 conventions had made arrangements to meet with him after the show. It was nearly an hour wait, but after he got out of costume and make up, he did come out and meet with us. I even stole a poster out of a display box for a friend and got it signed by him.
Those were the days. 😹
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Yes, I really enjoyed where the show was going and was disappointed when it was cancelled. I tried to read Toreador recently and, uhg. BOring.
Rick wrote: "Travis wrote: "... My big problem with season 2 is losing Barry Moorse, with no explanation."Agreed.
At one of the Space 1999 conventions I attended, this would have been late 80s (maybe early ..."
Yeah, both Moorse and Landue are pretty much universally known as nice guys.
Lori S. wrote: "Rick wrote: "For underrated vampire shows, I’m rather partial to Kindred the Embraced based on the RPG Vampire: The Masquerade Revised. I’m a big fan of the game and they did a nice job with the se..."Yeah, the novels they did based on the games weren’t really very good. There are a couple that are decent, but not many.
There is a great, if much neglected comic called the Establishment, about the super secret, super powered British team.Everyone on the team was made up of takes of British pop culture characters.
So, it was a team made up basically of the Prisoner, Steed and Peel, Doctor Who and the Tomorrow People.
It was trippy, insane and you can probably get all 13 issues for 75 cents each.
Travis wrote: "... So, it was a team made up basically of the Prisoner, Steed and Peel, Doctor Who and the Tomorrow People...."Sounds like someone was influenced by The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, Vol. 1. 😼
I’ve heard of the Establishment, just not read it.
Rick wrote: "Travis wrote: "... So, it was a team made up basically of the Prisoner, Steed and Peel, Doctor Who and the Tomorrow People...."Sounds like someone was influenced by [book:The League of Extraordin..."
Bit of LoEG by someone who grew up on 60's-70's Brit TV.
It reads like brilliant fan fiction.
I always wanted to see if I could come up with enough characters to do a USA version.
Back in the 70s, I’d had this idea for a book that would basically be- what if the novels and stories like Dracula, Frankenstein, The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde and Other Tales of Terror, The Invisible Man, The Time Machine, The Picture of Dorian Gray, etc. actually hadn’t ended as depicted? What if these characters met? My problem was I couldn’t quite find the right hook to make it all work. Leave it to Alan Moore to beat me too it.
I had notes for a LoEG type team featuring versions of the Universal monsters.also had an idea where characters from Jules Verne and HG Wells team up to fight the Martians from War of the worlds.
Travis wrote: "I had notes for a LoEG type team featuring versions of the Universal monsters.also had an idea where characters from Jules Verne and HG Wells team up to fight the Martians from War of the worlds."
Again that damn Alan Moore beats us to it. 😾
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Which was in part why I got the idea originally. Now I just feel it would be variations on a theme, heading into the cliche realm.
Lori S. wrote: "There's nothing saying you cannot do your own take on the theme. All of the books you mention are out of copyright."If you've seen any of my short stories and fanfic, you'd know that's pretty much what I've been doing.
My literary career is just one huge game of 'Wouldn't be cool if...?'
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If you've seen any of my short stories and fanfic, you'd know t..."
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It's fun to do that! My problem is I want a fanfic of stuff still in copyright! LOL
Lori S. wrote: "... My problem is I want a fanfic of stuff still in copyright! LOL"Which is part of my problem as well, in addition to Dracula, Frankenstein’s “Monster”, the Time Traveler, the Invisible Man, etc. I also wanted Doc Savage included in my epic mashup. But he’s still under copyright, and thanks to Disney, Warner Bros and such international conglomerates Doc Savage will likely never get out of copyright and enter the public domain. The earliest he might would be 2033.
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Doc Savage, like The Shadow, is owned by Conde Nast. Unless there's a movie in the works? The Shadow movie from 1994 is owned by Sony.
Doctor Strange is owned by Marvel and Disney.
Lori S. wrote: "Doc Savage? Or Doctor Strange?Doc Savage, like The Shadow, is owned by Conde Nast. Unless there's a movie in the works? The Shadow movie from 1994 is owned by Sony. ..."
Doc Savage, the inspiration for Superman. Doctor Strange is a completely different critter.
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Doc Savage, like The Shadow, is owned by Conde Nast. Unless there's a movie in the works? The Shadow movie from 1994 is owned by Sony. ..."
Doc Sav..."
I was just trying to clarify, because Doc Savage isn't owned by Disney, but Conde Nast.
(Okay goodreads lost my post. And now I’m pissed.)I wasn’t clear enough, sorry.
I wasn’t trying to say that Disney owned Doc Savage. Just that Disney’s long legal battles to ensure their ownership of Mickey Mouse remained intact, resulted in corporate character ownership has been lengthened almost indefinitely.
I was also going on and on about other stuff and examples and now that’s all lost, so you can rest easy that I’m too irritated to try and rewrite it at this point.
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I wasn’t clear enough, sorry.
I wasn’t trying to say that Disney owned Doc Savage. Just that Disney’s long legal battles to ensure their ownersh..."
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OK. I see where you're going with that now. Yes, I agree. It's very annoying.
Rick wrote: "Lori S. wrote: "... My problem is I want a fanfic of stuff still in copyright! LOL"Which is part of my problem as well, in addition to Dracula, Frankenstein’s “Monster”, the Time Traveler, the In..."
It's tricky juggling who is PD and who isn't.
I've worked with a small press publisher, that specializes in literary crossover stories and always had to have a list ready of backup characters in case I guessed wrong and somebody I wanted in my story was out of bounds.
Course, a couple times I cheated, by not naming a character and sprinkling just enough info in, so the reader could guess who it was.
Travis wrote: "... Course, a couple times I cheated, by not naming a character and sprinkling just enough info in, so the reader could guess who it was."Which is, of course, what was done in The Rocketeer: The Complete Adventures by Dave Stevens. He used Doc Savage and his aids Monk & Ham, but not by name. But if you’ve read any Doc Savage books, it’s unmistakable who they are.
Watching a video about Disney's Galaxy's Edge attraction got me thinking, I want something like that for Doctor Who.A spaceport setting where all kinds of aliens and characters could interact.
Probably won't get a theme park, but I would settle for a video game or a book series.
I think there’s a video game component of Time Lord Victorious coming at some point. And there’s TLV themed escape rooms.
So, a theme isn’t too far fetched.
Happy birthday to The Doctor! 😸😸😸🎉 🎊 🎉🎊🎉🎊
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Happy Birthday!!
Kinda torn on the Ruth Doctor: as I really like her, but I really dislike the idea of her being Pre-Hartnell.If they fit her into one of the gaps in Who-history, I could overlook some of my issues, but taking away his ranking as the first bugs me too much.
I get what you’re saying, but I’ve always thought there were other incarnations. The images in The Brain of Morbius Episode certainly implied that Hartnell wasn’t the first Doctor, so I’ve never really been wedded to the idea that Hartnell was the first incarnation. Further, I’d theorized that Hartnell was just the first incarnation to use the name The Doctor, still making him the “first Doctor.”
Along these same lines, I don’t call Hurt’s incarnation the War Doctor, but rather The Warrior. This was what McGann’s Doctor requested when he said something to the effect of “Make me a Warrior” and in the Big Finish War Doctor series Hurt’s incarnation keeps telling people that he’s not the Doctor and to stop calling him that. So this does make Eccleston the Ninth Doctor, Tennant the Tenth Doctor, Smith the Eleventh Doctor, Capaldi the Twelfth and Whittaker the Thirteenth. But it messes it up if you call Hurt’s incarnation the War Doctor.
Plus, we know the Doctor lies.
I never bought into the Morbius theory, so that was never a problem.For all we know, all those other images were all Morbius.
And I'm not going to do the War Doctor debate, as I'm too busy arguing with my wife over if he's Baby Yoda or the Child.
Lori S. wrote: "I have one suggestion: Lungbarrow. Or Doctor Who: The Infinity Doctors ..."I’ll look into getting them. I’ve seen these suggested before.
Lori S. wrote: "I have one suggestion: Lungbarrow. Or Doctor Who: The Infinity Doctors ..."Lungbarrow is quite good.
Nice wrap up to the New Adventures line and handled a lot of Galifry stuff.
Outside of the TV stuff, the theatrical films and now Big Finish, I’ve not read much Doctor Who. Some short stories, some stuff on audio and lots of reference stuff. The only novels or novelizations I’ve read are Doctor Who and the Day of the Daleks and Doctor Who: The Coming of the Terraphiles. The former I read decades ago, even before I started watching the series. I’d seen an episode or two on PBS, but I never really got into it. The book, which I thought would help, didn’t. The latter I read once I’d gotten hooked in the new series and it’s written by Michael Moorcock, who’s a favorite of mine. In the book he presents The Doctor as an incarnation of his Eternal Champion concept. It totally works, but I can see that some die-hard Whovians might not appreciate that Moorcock played with the notion as much as he did. But I’m now interested in rereading Doctor Who: The Coming of the Terraphiles in light of the Timeless Child revelations.
Keep meaning to check out Terraphiles, as it combines two of my favorite things.But, since I'm not buying anymore books till 2021, I'll put it on my christmas list.
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It was indescribable. Five songs together. Five songs. As I said, those were worth the ticket price alone. During the tour they’d alternate who opened and who followed the duo set. The show I saw opened with NIN then David Bowie came on stage and the crowd just lost it. They did five songs together and then Bowie’s band came on and they closed the show. It was almost like three separate concerts. Or two concerts and a mini concert between them. The mix of styles and energies was almost traumatizing, but it was good. Indescribably good. Both performances were mesmerizing.