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James Morcan | 7753 comments Transhumanism (abbreviated as H+ or h+) is an international philosophical movement that advocates for the transformation of the human condition by developing and making widely available sophisticated technologies to greatly enhance human intellect and physiology. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhu...


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James Morcan | 7753 comments Zoltan Istvan is a futurist, philosopher, journalist, author of #1 best-selling novel The Transhumanist Wager & 2016 US Presidential candidate for the Transhumanist Party (and he's running again in 2020).

The Transhumanist Wager by Zoltan Istvan

Joe Rogan Experience #584 - Zoltan Istvan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9grWo...


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James Morcan | 7753 comments The movie LUCY explores transhumanism:

Lucy TRAILER 1 (2014) - Luc Besson, Scarlett Johansson Movie HD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVt32...


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James Morcan | 7753 comments Transhumanism has come to connote different things to different people, from a belief system to a cultural movement, a field of study to a technological fantasy. ... Its advocates believe in fundamentally enhancing the human condition through applied reason and a corporeal embrace of new technologies. http://theconversation.com/transhuman...


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Tony Sunderland | 235 comments The effect of Transhumanism on religious belief:

The relationship between life, death, immortality and time remains the centre piece for structured religious theology. However, exponential improvements in technology and the advent of new virtual and augmented realities now place humanity in the position creating our own sacred geometry – a digital universe bounded by bounded only by the mathematical ‘code’ of the machine. Conversely, innovations in medical science have seen dramatic improvements in both the general health and longevity of those fortunate enough to live in advanced Western societies. The instinct for extended personal survival is now dependent upon new technologies that may allow some people to cheat death just a little longer. These changes in medical practice, technology and within the greater social environment have impacted upon how we see ourselves and how the promise for some form of immortality is now within the reach of science.
How different religious faiths deal with this new reality will depend on their ability to adapt their beliefs to fit within a world dominated by what some scholars have termed the technocracy of the new age, whereby technology becomes the driver of all actions and decisions in a society. All forms of structured religion will need to be more transparent, less secretive and abandon any notions of magical intervention in their attempts to remain meaningful. If anything, the Twenty-first Century will be a period in history where the advancements of science and technology will impact directly on the evolutionary advancement of humanity. Transhumanism – the transformation of human intellect and physiology through enhancements in technology – will now almost certainly be part of humanities journey into this uncertain future. The abandonment of supernaturalism does not mean the abandonment of spirituality. Our imagination, sense of truth and beauty, compassion and our innate desire to and seek understanding of the world around us will play an even more important role in creating a meaningful life.


message 7: by Iain (last edited Jan 06, 2019 09:07AM) (new)

Iain McKenzie (Iain_mckenzie) | 1578 comments Tony wrote: "The effect of Transhumanism on religious belief:

The relationship between life, death, immortality and time remains the centre piece for structured religious theology. However, exponential improve..."


Good point to muse . . . if humans end up obtaining immortality through technology, then where will that leave Religion? Especially those that believe in the afterlife, reincarnation and so on? I guess some can adjust and others will die out.

My concern, is that, in some paradoxical way, the sanctity of life may be cheapened as we advance humankind with technology, especially if that 'spiritual' component is abandoned either via misleadingly thinking that the prowess of technology warrants the supplanting of spirituality or that we erroneously reduce ourselves in stature vis-a-vis tech innovation, to such a base-level mechanistic entity that has no 'magical quality', we devalue our meta-physical facets to the point that it could be detrimental to our way of life or even survival.

I also wonder the impact to be had, if new classifications of human will arise due this, causing further divide and contention?

On a whole, it may be a dangerous thing for humans to try to become god(s), here on earth.

Maybe that has been factored in, and immortality will never be achievable?

To me, that would be more mind-blowing.


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James Morcan | 7753 comments Iain wrote: "On a whole, it may be a dangerous thing to try to become god(s) our-self, here on earth. ..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9ae_...

p.s. Scottish accent seems apt for Ancient Egypt, don't you think?


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Iain McKenzie (Iain_mckenzie) | 1578 comments James wrote: "Iain wrote: "On a whole, it may be a dangerous thing to try to become god(s) our-self, here on earth. ..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9ae_...

p.s. Scottish accent seems apt for Ancient E..."


Totally. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0vvY...


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James Morcan | 7753 comments The Transhuman Revolution: What it is and How to Prepare for its Arrival https://interestingengineering.com/th...
We take a look at the rapid advance of Transhumanist technologies and where they might take us in the future.

Frankenstein 200 years later: are we finally living in a transhumanist world? http://www.documentjournal.com/2019/0...

Transhumanism: A Religion For Postmodern Times – OpEd https://www.eurasiareview.com/2812201...
Transhumanist prophets anticipate a coming neo-salvific event known as the “Singularity”


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Iain McKenzie (Iain_mckenzie) | 1578 comments Smart microrobots that can adapt to their surroundings

https://actu.epfl.ch/news/smart-micro...

Wonder if the future transformation and synergy between man and machine will occur from the inside and out, as opposed to the generic image and idea of the body being replaced "bit by bit" or even en masse to an extent . . . .


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Iain McKenzie (Iain_mckenzie) | 1578 comments TECH INSIDER WARNS ABOUT OUR TRANSHUMANIST FUTURE

Brad Peters is a Senior Software Engineer at Intel, and he is not only worried about the future of automation that will eliminate millions of jobs from the economy, he's worried about transhumanism and the very future of the human race.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6NoW...


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Harry Whitewolf | 1736 comments Humans are set to become ships of Theseus!


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Iain McKenzie (Iain_mckenzie) | 1578 comments Harry wrote: "Humans are set to become ships of Theseus!"

The 'elephant in the room' Harry, is to what extent will facets of the human body be replaced or NEED to be replaced?

I've got a feeling this might be predicated more on a 'business perspective' than any other?

Ethical guidelines might also be a convenient demarcation(for some) at this juncture, especially if progression here, at some point in the future, potentially starts to endeavour in and discover areas that expose our true origins or metaphysical self leading to the further questioning of our reality in new novel ways that challenge the status-quo of the system?

Why 'upgrading' humanity is a transhumanist myth | Douglas Rushkoff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQzJI...


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Harry Whitewolf | 1736 comments Iain wrote: "Harry wrote: "Humans are set to become ships of Theseus!"

The 'elephant in the room' Harry, is to what extent will the human body be replaced or NEED to be replaced?

I've got a feeling this might..."


I watched that vid - thanks for posting - and I agree with a lot of what he says (other than his baffling comments that women and foreigners can be scary...) but I don't see how his comments mean transhumanism is a myth.

Given enough time (it's irrelevant if we're talking hundreds, thousands or even millions of years), there's no reason why every part of our bodies, including our brains, could not potentially be "replaced"...

Personally, I believe we "have soul" (for want of better words), so that conjures up plenty of other tangents.


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Iain McKenzie (Iain_mckenzie) | 1578 comments The 3 Pillars of Transhumanist Thought

Transhumanism is a philosophical set of beliefs that relate to the human condition and the role technology will play in our future as a species. Learn more about the 3 'pillars' of Transhumanist Thought by watching the above video.

TLDW/

1. Biological Intervention to elevate the human condition
2. Technological intervention to elevate the human condition
3. Seeking to co-exist with AI constructs and sentient digital entities that will emerge after we pass the singularity threshold of increasing technological complexity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QX9R...


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Iain McKenzie (Iain_mckenzie) | 1578 comments The MAIN DIFFERENCE between Posthumanism and Transhumanism

(actually easy to get these terms mixed up)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2J5E...


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Iain McKenzie (Iain_mckenzie) | 1578 comments Harry wrote: "Iain wrote: "Harry wrote: "Humans are set to become ships of Theseus!"

The 'elephant in the room' Harry, is to what extent will the human body be replaced or NEED to be replaced?

I've got a feeli..."


"Personally, I believe we "have soul" (for want of better words), so that conjures up plenty of other tangents. "

I hope that part can never be mapped or even explored to any meaningful degree that could allow meddling, so we humans remain distinct from any bastardised Frankenstein robot created


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Iain McKenzie (Iain_mckenzie) | 1578 comments Interview: DARPA Biotech Director on Transhumanism, Military Applications

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRxUK...


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Iain McKenzie (Iain_mckenzie) | 1578 comments Iain wrote: "Interview: DARPA Biotech Director on Transhumanism, Military Applications

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRxUK..."


What he really meant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYQVr...


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Iain McKenzie (Iain_mckenzie) | 1578 comments SciFriday at the Transhumanism and the Hybrid Age Conference

Why are wealthy and respected leaders in technology and the sciences sponsoring research that threatens to exterminate human life?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsYXR...


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James Morcan | 7753 comments Iain wrote: "Why are wealthy and respected leaders in technology and the sciences sponsoring research that threatens to exterminate human life?..."

To get rid of the "useless eaters"!


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Harry Whitewolf | 1736 comments Iain wrote: "I hope that part can never be mapped or even explored to any meaningful degree that could allow meddling, so we humans remain distinct from any bastardised Frankenstein robot created"

Me too!


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Iain McKenzie (Iain_mckenzie) | 1578 comments A.I. To Allow Humans To Communicate Telepathically

We previously reported that a company called Kernel is developing technology that gives humans super-intelligence. Now Kernel says that the technology will also enable humans to communicate telepathically by implanting microchips in their brains. Bryan Johnson, who founded the company, presented the idea of a “brain-computer interface”, which will also allow humans to communicate with machines. Some scientists predict that brain augmentation will soon be a widespread reality and part of everyday life by 2030. "I don't want the limitations, I don't want those constraints, I want to break open…I’m incredibly frustrated being human," says Johnson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvV-6...


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Iain McKenzie (Iain_mckenzie) | 1578 comments Iain wrote: "A.I. To Allow Humans To Communicate Telepathically

We previously reported that a company called Kernel is developing technology that gives humans super-intelligence. Now Kernel says that the techn..."


It's a pseudo-system mimicking telepathy; the real 'magic' happens when they(if possible) develop the ability to explain, map or harness the natural telepathy that some individuals exhibit . . . .


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James Morcan | 7753 comments Iain wrote: "A.I. To Allow Humans To Communicate Telepathically

We previously reported that a company called Kernel is developing technology that gives humans super-intelligence. Now Kernel says that the technology will also enable humans to communicate telepathically by implanting microchips in their brains...."


Any person who signs up to have their brains implanted with microchips deserves to be lobotomized!


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Iain McKenzie (Iain_mckenzie) | 1578 comments James wrote: "Iain wrote: "A.I. To Allow Humans To Communicate Telepathically

We previously reported that a company called Kernel is developing technology that gives humans super-intelligence. Now Kernel says t..."


Like this colorful chap?!?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc2fO...


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James Morcan | 7753 comments With that outfit and haircut, and an antenna sticking out his head, he must be a real babe magnet...


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Iain McKenzie (Iain_mckenzie) | 1578 comments James wrote: "With that outfit and haircut, and an antenna sticking out his head, he must be a real babe magnet..."

Here was me thinking it was due to the size of his wire . . . .

(Femi-nazis are gonna burn me for that one. Should have put a Toxic Masculinity disclaimer . . . )


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Mark Lloyd | 4 comments The transhuman people of the future and I mean far future, do not even perceive themselves as human anymore. The human population still exist as low life forms which were born from unsuccessful ancestors. Only the super rich will experience transhuman in its perfect embodiment. The majority of society will live as floppy disks; old and obsolete hardware that is too poor to transcend again. Transhumanism will bring forth a new class system as not everyone will be reborn equally. Therefore, not all of us will evolve.


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Iain McKenzie (Iain_mckenzie) | 1578 comments Mark wrote: "The transhuman people of the future and I mean far future, do not even perceive themselves as human anymore. The human population still exist as low life forms which were born from unsuccessful anc..."

Mark, do you not think that they could commoditize and build an economy around this though, causing a more varied and structured class system that might precipitate greater contention and agitation due to differences in ability and so on, instead?


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Mark Lloyd | 4 comments My vision of the future is a peculiar one. The only utopian societies springing forth from a species that is immortal are false utopias created on a simulation. The real world itself is no doubt dystopian; old values never die when ancient minds live forever. There is a class system already in our world during our time with consumer goods. Some brands are more expensive than others. Seven hundred years in the future that model will still exist but our soul will the product. A few at the top with many below, that’s the only system I can envision.


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Iain McKenzie (Iain_mckenzie) | 1578 comments Mark wrote: "My vision of the future is a peculiar one. The only utopian societies springing forth from a species that is immortal are false utopias created on a simulation. The real world itself is no doubt dy..."

I agree, it is hard to envision a truly utopian society emerging in the future(even with the current wizardry of technological advancements or related developments on the horizon) when you consider the history of the human timeline, and that paradoxically the most successful civilizations during this time have been or exhibited the most suppressive and dehumanizing systems of control(Egypt's 3000 year reign on a system of slavery, Romans, etc), but I wonder - that although dystopian economic and sociological hierarchical structures will presumably remain to exist in the future, and possibly take more varied and diluted forms, due to the aforementioned trans-humanist advancements cited above and elsewhere, that as we progress in this domain, tech in other areas, like say Virtual Reality, may also be able to address and stem any discontent or protest that arises from these developments and provide a layer of subtle but extremely potent mass control in formats and novel ways that have never been experienced.

Imagine a kind-of scenario like the movie Ready Player One, where the 'have- nots', unhappy with their lot in the physical world, can enter a virtual world and experience a life that would otherwise be impossible or a struggle to attain(even though there will be opportunities to base a similar economy that mimics reality within that simulation, but with the caveat that there is facility to dispense channels of satisfaction and contentment to placate the masses in far greater, cheaper, easier and 'granular' ways), in turn satiating desires, wants and needs beyond basic sustenance that otherwise neglected or unattainable could adumbrate into forms of sedition and threaten to overturn the 'status quo' in the real world.

I think the future, in this regard, will be more Brave New World than 1984 or even like the movie The matrix(or some hybrid between the former and latter films), with the exception that we are compelled by the opportunity and allure of desire, stimulation and fulfilment to enter that virtual world of our own volition, prompting and distracting us by that greater experience there to either become oblivious or exhibit greater levels of apathy to the rulers and their 'goings-on' in the 'real world'.

Although slightly different in application, reminds me of this quote from Rousseau:

"Man is born free, and everywhere he is in chains. One man thinks himself the master of others, but remains more of a slave than they are."

Here's the conundrum though: would some welcome or embrace this outcome if advancements got to the point that the experience of virtual reality rivalled or exceeded anything comparable in reality, and were happy and content to live life out in a simulated bliss without care, even while fully-aware that behind the scenes their rights or lives were potentially being eroded, suppressed, exploited or manipulated in the real world?

Almost like those, who, while feeling helpless and have accepted their lot in life, take or rely on drugs as a form of escapism?


message 34: by Iain (last edited Feb 11, 2019 10:53PM) (new)

Iain McKenzie (Iain_mckenzie) | 1578 comments Mark wrote: "My vision of the future is a peculiar one. The only utopian societies springing forth from a species that is immortal are false utopias created on a simulation. The real world itself is no doubt dy..."

If you haven't seen the movie Ready Player One, I recommend it; even if just to capture the imagination of that broader mass control angle, that I think Spielberg is hinting at.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqhxF...


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Iain McKenzie (Iain_mckenzie) | 1578 comments How Far Will Nanotechnology & Transhumanism Advance in The Next 50 Years?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgW9f...


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Iain McKenzie (Iain_mckenzie) | 1578 comments I've often wonder if the 'minutia' of the current gender debate, which is exceeding beyond the basic argument of the right to choose your sex from the primary binary position of male or female and into realms where sub-classification, in this domain, is becoming pedantic, needless or even unsubstantiated, somehow will tie into trans-humanistic developments and is tacitly laying the groundwork in preparation for the acceptance of differing sub-strata of the human species that will occur in the future as this technology combines with us and immerses itself into society?

Are we slowly being habituated via the media to our supplanting by machines and trans-humanist agendas?

Super Bowl 2019 Commercials: Transhumanism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGtla...


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Iain McKenzie (Iain_mckenzie) | 1578 comments Peter Xing - The iPhone 20— A roadmap for how smart devices can integrate with our bodies by 2029 and how Apple can stay relevant over the next decade

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFy7D...


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Iain McKenzie (Iain_mckenzie) | 1578 comments Iain wrote: "Peter Xing - The iPhone 20— A roadmap for how smart devices can integrate with our bodies by 2029 and how Apple can stay relevant over the next decade

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFy7D..."


Of the Big Four(Apple, Facebook, Google and Amazon), is Apple content to go down the trans-humanist path first while the others focus more on Big Data, AI and machine learning?

Are the others biding their time, as they know expertise in the above areas of Big Data and AI will eventually segue more and more into trans-humanist developments anyway, 'down the pipe?'


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James Morcan | 7753 comments Iain wrote: "Peter Xing - The iPhone 20— A roadmap for how smart devices can integrate with our bodies by 2029 and how Apple can stay relevant over the next decade

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFy7D..."


Great...that sounds like fun...have an iPhone inside your brain or body!


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Iain McKenzie (Iain_mckenzie) | 1578 comments James wrote: "Iain wrote: "Peter Xing - The iPhone 20— A roadmap for how smart devices can integrate with our bodies by 2029 and how Apple can stay relevant over the next decade

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=..."


Stop hating mate. Lot's of positives like, eh, hands-free.


message 41: by James, Group Founder (new)

James Morcan | 7753 comments More like brain free!


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Iain McKenzie (Iain_mckenzie) | 1578 comments James wrote: "More like brain free!"

Free thinking is the way to go


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Mark Lloyd | 4 comments Iain Wrote: “Here's the conundrum though: would some welcome or embrace this outcome if advancements got to the point that the experience of virtual reality rivalled or exceeded anything comparable in reality, and were happy and content to live life out in a simulated bliss without care, even while fully-aware that behind the scenes their rights or lives were potentially being eroded, suppressed, exploited or manipulated in the real world?

Almost like those, who, while feeling helpless and have accepted their lot in life, take or rely on drugs as a form of escapism?”



You hit it right on the head.
However, you don’t have to wait for the future to see your premise come true because it already has begun. I have been selling technology for twenty-three years and never has there been an addicted hysteria over any piece of tech like a smartphone. If a customer breaks their device and hasn’t the money to replace it; their reaction is similar to telling them that I need to amputate their arm. I never saw that level of a craze in the ’90s with humanity in regards to the technology of that day. We have already started re-wiring our minds into a collective hive state to stew separation anxiety that festers when you are removed from the flock.
As for the realm of time, I have been pondering and often visiting, all those truths are there. Humanity splinters with the majority having transcended, and a very few have exceeded to be seen as gods. The few that continue to be unplugged; that biologic muck is regarded as a subspecies of humanity.
The drug of escapism is prevalent even this far in the future, but that drug is already pumping through our veins today. This toxin is re-engineering our minds making the transition to transhuman a given right for this new species of Homo sapiens.


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Iain McKenzie (Iain_mckenzie) | 1578 comments Your right, tech dependancy is already here.


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Iain McKenzie (Iain_mckenzie) | 1578 comments Zedd, Katy Perry - 365 (Official)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrbgU...

Gaudy futuristic music video that tries too hard or something more to it?


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Iain McKenzie (Iain_mckenzie) | 1578 comments Zoltan Istvan - (Transhumanist Immortality)

Zoltan Istvan was the 2016 US presidential candidate for the Transhumanist party; author of The Transhumanist Wager; former journalist for NatGeo; pioneer of volcano-boarding; and is often cited as the global leader of the radical science movement.We chat what Zoltan is doing to overcome death personally; nootropics he is experimenting with; the biological age he would choose if rejuvenation tech was invented; cyborg hearts and eyes; ethics of transhumanism and finding meaning in a post-human world; Zoltan's moral system and the morality of longevity/immortality; and whether he is the Zoltan referenced in Dude Where's my Car?.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIEcN...


message 47: by James, Group Founder (new)

James Morcan | 7753 comments That's why you only ever hire those AI dolls for one night, mate!
Katy Perry's doll character is an example of what can go wrong long-term!


message 48: by Iain (new)

Iain McKenzie (Iain_mckenzie) | 1578 comments James wrote: "That's why you only ever hire those AI dolls for one night, mate!
Katy Perry's doll character is an example of what can go wrong long-term!"


:)


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Mark Lloyd | 4 comments Great interview. An extremely sound-minded and optimistic idealist.
I liked how he was pressed with the question on our purpose once immortality is achieved. Does an immortal species, with no purpose in life, rediscover the desire of wanting to die again?
His Bill of Rights is intriguing as a post-singularity contingency. However, if Americans today can't even get behind universal healthcare for all as a biological right; I don't see much traction in his movement to those that have fully transcended. Also, our society is already predicated towards a non-universal system of ideals; that's his most significant hurdle to overcome.

Overall, Zoltan's vision is so harmonic to the ear that it's unfortunate we are a species that as a whole chooses not to listen to that which we have no control over, and perhaps never will.


message 50: by Iain (last edited Feb 18, 2019 11:37PM) (new)

Iain McKenzie (Iain_mckenzie) | 1578 comments Mark wrote: "Great interview. An extremely sound-minded and optimistic idealist.
I liked how he was pressed with the question on our purpose once immortality is achieved. Does an immortal species, with no purp..."


I listen and take his points on board, I just don't agree with some of his more pollyannaish forecasts or ideas, not mainly because I don't think they are attainable in and of themselves, but that society and the free-market in the future will be more of what we have now and won't change that dramatically to allow or cater for it.

But, he comes across as being candid, passionate and, as you say, sound-minded about the technology being put to good use, and is always worth listening to regardless your position.


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