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Tower Teams VI
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1st Match: Gryffindor vs Slytherin
Updated Score Gryffindor - 80, Slytherin - 30
Eldarwen wrote: "Apologies, my mistake. I figured since the Quaffle wasn't yet broken and Jen had to be read back in anyway, the chain could still count if it was done before your keeper finished her book to brea..."
I asked Sonia to clarify. I could be misinterpreting -- its happened before and I'm sure it'll happen again. My interpretation was once someone was knocked off their broom they couldn't continue to read for Chains but could read for the Quaffle if needed. Once they were back on their broom, they were then free to continue on with their book.
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We'll just see what Sonia says and we'll all be experts by the time the next match rolls around ;-)
As I mentioned before, it was a game that needed to be played to see where clarifications needed, so mistakes and misinterpretations were bound to happen one way or another. Someone had to make them so they could become obvious and clarified for later on :-)
Now I'm confused. Based off this post from Shannon:https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
My understanding was that as long as the quaffle is intact, chaser chains can score. If a chaser is knocked out by a beater, they can score on that chain after being read back in. I did not understand anything regarding that the chaser has to stop reading.
I have not seen any discussion about whether the beater has to beat the chaser. In this case, Jenny finished, then Jen. Jen needed to be read back in anyway in order to read for another chain which I did. The quaffle is still intact.
Are you saying that once the attacking beater hits the chaser, the chaser is not allowed to read that until being read back in? That was never stated or made clear before, just that they couldn't score. I can't read the captains threads that discussed this issue, but the your post from Sonia does not make that clear. It only reads that the beater has to read the person back in before a goal.
Hi all, if I understand all of the above chatter correctly, it's my fault for continuing my read of The Aeronaut's Windlass once I was "knocked off my broom." I should have waited for our Beater Natalie to finish before continuing the book. But. . . I was so tired by that point that I'm now just glad I finished it. (I loved it, but reading it so fast. . . Oy!)
Eldarwen wrote: "I honestly can't tell you anymore haha.We'll just see what Sonia says and we'll all be experts by the time the next match rolls around ;-)
As I mentioned before, it was a game that needed to be pl..."
It is. And then with each change of rules, new scenarios pop up that need to be addressed. Its neverending. lol!
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We'll just see what Sonia says and we'll all be experts by the time the next match rolls around ;-)
As I mentioned before, it was a game tha..."
Sssssssh, don't say that. It'll be fiiiiine, juuuuust fine ;-)
Natalie wrote: "Now I'm confused. Based off this post from Shannon:https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
My understanding was that as long as t..."
I guess for me that poses the question of why would a Beater ever attack, if the Chaser is free to just keep reading even if they've been knocked out?
Jen wrote: "Hi all, if I understand all of the above chatter correctly, it's my fault for continuing my read of The Aeronaut's Windlass once I was "knocked off my broom." I should have waited f..."It really was a good book!
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Has the Gryff keeper broken the quaffle?
If yes, then the goal is defo invalid, and it doesn’t matter for quidditch if the chaser finishes the book or not.the beater has to finish to read her back in though.
If no, then if the defending Beater announced completion before you shot the goal, it is valid.
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Ah but that also begs the question of why attack at all if the chain cannot be broken by it. Because that's what we initially thought a beater attack would do.
Eta: I mean, if the chain cannot be permanently broken by it.
Eldarwen wrote: "Shannon wrote: "Eldarwen wrote: "I honestly can't tell you anymore haha.We'll just see what Sonia says and we'll all be experts by the time the next match rolls around ;-)
As I mentioned before, i..."
Haha! And you just know, even after all this, round 2 will find even more scenarios to confound. :O
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Delaying tactic for the keeper to break
Ties up defending beaters who can’t attack
Just for the fun...?
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Delaying tactic for the keeper to break
Ties up defending beaters who can’t attack
Just for the fun...?"
That YOU would do it for fun is clear ;-)))
Shannon asked, "I guess for me that poses the question of why would a Beater ever attack, if the Chaser is free to just keep reading even if they've been knocked out?"The Beater would still attack because no one knows if the QUAFFLE will be broken in time or not.
Here are some scenarios to keep in mind for the next round - these are just my thoughts, not arguments or justifications:
1. If the QUAFFLE is broken before the Seekers have finished their books: no score - Chasers and Beaters attempts are all null.
2. If the QUAFFLE is broken after a Beater knocks out a player but before that player is read back in: no score and that resets the game.
3. If the QUAFFLE is not broken yet, but an attempt to break the QUAFFLE has been announced, and a Beater from the opposing team has finished before the Chaser or the rescuing Beater can read the Chaser back in: it makes sense that the Chaser should stop reading until rescued, but how does the Chaser know in "real time"? When I'm reading (as a Chaser), I check after every section or so that I read, but the timing is never going to be exact.
4. If the QUAFFLE is not broken, and no attempt to break the QUAFFLE has been announced, and a Beater from the opposing team has finished before the Chaser and before the rescuing Beater can read the Chaser back in: no score until the Chaser is read back in whether or not their book is finished - the only consequence is when the score can be posted and when another chain can be announced and played. It really doesn't matter if the Chaser kept reading or stopped.
Mod1: Oh, do you think we can have quidditch?Me: Uhmmm.... quidditch is tricky... I'll need to check with Tea how they did it in AMMP to make sure we're original enough.... but I think we might pull it off....
It seemed so simple on my brain...
LOL
Okay... so... I have one question... what was announced and when? I need to see the sequence... and then check the rulings.
Okay... so..timing is too close BUT, Jen was saved, the score is valid!
Let me fin the ruling, we had a similar situation on Ravenclaw vs Hufflepuff so there is a precedence.
Updated Score Gryffindor - 80, Slytherin - 40
"Once a chaser is knocked out, it stays out, till she's defended, or a chain of 1 or 2 is made. If you want to finish first chain, you need to wait for your beater to do the defense, otherwise the chain is void. "Can't say the date, but it was either May 31st or June 1st.
Just a heads up... once the snitch is caught, I'm closing threads up. We're reviewing rules and what to improve/change for next round. Also, we're considering changing the point system a bit. It will be made retroactively - meaning if, for example, beater attacks/defenses will get points, we're review entire game to add the correspondent score.You need to give us time to prepare a spreadsheet and count all info, though. Busy schedules and all *grins*
That was the "Sonia Quote" we were showing them. Their chaser kept reading instead of waiting was the issue.We want to know if we have to stop when they attack or keep reading.
Sonia wrote: "Okay... so..timing is too close BUT, Jen was saved, the score is valid!"I am now thoroughly confused. The sequence:
1st: It was announced that Slytherin Chaser Jen (me/I) was reading The Aeronaut's Windlass (751 pages) for a solo Chaser Chain.
2nd: It was announced that Gryfffindor Beater Jenny was also reading TAW to knock me out.
3rd: Gryffindor Beater Jenny finished TAW.
4th: Slytherin Beater Natalie announced that she was reading TAW to defend Slytherin Chaser Jen.
5th: Slytherin Chaser Jen finished TAW.
6th: Slytherin Beater Natalie finished TAW.
Does that help?
I thought that since I was knocked off my broom, I should have waited for my Beater (Natalie) to finish TAW before finishing myself?
???
Ah! Right.Well, my humble opinion is to pause/wait. But, that is a bit tricky because when I'm speed reading a book, I'm not logged into goodreads... And Jen gets too focused on the task at hand...
So... I will let this one pass. With a warning. Next time, a better checking needs to be done.
There are a few things.... well, more than a few, that we the mods think are a little fishy... like 400 pages under an hour, things like that. depending on the ruling at hand, some penalties may be added too.
Stay tuned. When results come out, there will be fireworks. LOL.
Jen wrote: "Sonia wrote: "Okay... so..timing is too close BUT, Jen was saved, the score is valid!"I am now thoroughly confused. The sequence:
1st: It was announced that Slytherin Chaser Jen (me/I) was readi..."
Jen, that might be the order of the events, but wasn't the one announced, so, now I'm the one confused.
Sonia wrote: "There are a few things.... well, more than a few, that we the mods think are a little fishy... like 400 pages under an hour, things like that. depending on the ruling at hand, some penalties may be added too."Will you take into account type of book/read? Is it a re-read vs. a first read? Is it War & Peace vs. Twilight? The answers to those questions would make a huge difference in # of pages read in an hour!
Sonia wrote: "Jen, that might be the order of the events, but wasn't the one announced, so, now I'm the one confused. "No. The information about Jen finishing before Natalie was included in Jen's post in our Tom Riddle Team Thread when she posted the book.
Sonia wrote: "Jen, that might be the order of the events, but wasn't the one announced, so, now I'm the one confused. "You mean the confusion in my steps 5 and 6? I DID finish the book while Natalie was still reading it. That's clear from our Tom Riddle Chaser Chain thread. (I discovered she finished it after I woke up and reloaded this thread for the 1st Match. I finished it before I went to sleep finally at 6:30a or so.)
Well.. I did try... but, I guess there is at least one Slytherin that is brutally honest, no matter the cost. KUDOS.She might get mod points for that.
Sadly, it also means the score is void.
Thank you to all the involved, and sorry it took so long.
Updated Score Gryffindor - 80, Slytherin - 30And the match is still on!
Sonia wrote: "Well.. I did try... but, I guess there is at least one Slytherin that is brutally honest, no matter the cost. KUDOS.She might get mod points for that...."
Well, in actuality I'm a Ravenclaw. Although one of my Pottermore tests DID put me in Slytherin. (I was also briefly a Gryffindor and a Hufflepuff. Pottermore was very confused over where to sort me.)
After Madam Pomfrey stepped in and demanded Madam Hooch give the teams a much needed break, filled with warm butterbeers and the occasional chocolate frog, the Gryfinndor Team are back on their brooms and ready to score....Chain #15
E Every Heart a Doorway Shannon
F Fallen Angel: Dawn of Reckoning Donna
G Gun Control Chava
Sonia wrote: "Ah! Right.Well, my humble opinion is to pause/wait. But, that is a bit tricky because when I'm speed reading a book, I'm not logged into goodreads... And Jen gets too focused on the task at hand...."
So 100 pages in 30 minutes is still okay? It's not unheard of for me to read a 250+ book on my lunch break or my commute home.
Slytherin Chasers are also flying down the field ready to score...Chain #9
K - King Lear by William Shakespeare - Karen Michelle
L - Love Overboard by Janet Evanovich - Jen
M - Murder Takes the High Road by Josh Lanyon - Snowtulip
Gryffindor beater Teddie swoops around and hits a bludger toward Jen.Teddie reading Love Overboard : Jen
Slytherin beater Natalie is coming in to defend Jen.Natalie reading Love Overboard being read by Jen and beater Teddie
Slytherin KeeperLouise takes out the Gryffindor quaffle!
Unholy - A Post-Apocalyptic Thriller
Date Read: 6/6/18 UK time
(read by Donna - reading to take out the letter U)
Slytherin BeaterNatalie saves Jen from being interrupted in her path towards the goal!
Love Overboard
6/5
Gryffindor's KeeperJessica breaks the Slytherin Quaffle
Every Note Played Read by Karen Michele - reading to take out the letter E] 6/5/18
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Gryffindor's Chasers
Gryffindor's Chasers managed to get their Quaffle Repair Kit back from Dobby, after a long back and forth (he thinks they need a nap) and were able to finally patch it all up
Gryffindor Quaffle Completion (6):
Q The Queen of Zombie Hearts - Donna 6/3/18 (Title starts with Q)
U Uncharted - Donna 6/5/18 (Title starts with U)
A Anna in the Middle - Shannon 5/29/18 (Title starts with A)
F A Song of Shadows - Shannon 5/29/18 (Character named Finn)
F Precious and Grace - Chava 5/29/18 (Character named Fanwell)
L Little Women - Chava 5/29/18 (Title starts with L)
E A Dragon of a Different Color - Shannon 5/30/18 (Character named Emily)
Gryffindor Chaser Chain #16:
G - Gabriella - Shannon (Title starts with G)
H - How to Balance Your Life: Practical Ways to Achieve Work/Life Balance - Chava (Title starts with H)
I - Infection - Donna (Title starts with I)
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After a short nap on her broom, Louise zooms back into action.
A Song of Shadows by Jenna Wolfhart - read by Shannon
Quaffle F
Stacie wrote: "Sonia wrote: "Ah! Right.Well, my humble opinion is to pause/wait. But, that is a bit tricky because when I'm speed reading a book, I'm not logged into goodreads... And Jen gets too focused on the..."
Sure.
As someone said, it depends on the book. I consider myself an average reader, I can read up to 100 pages per hour, give or take - depending on the book, of course. So, I usually double that amount when thinking on speed readers, which goes around 200-250 pages per hour.
300 in an hour is possible IMO, but, with the right combinations... re-read, easy & fast speech, those things.
Btw, the average reader is in terms of speed. I do not read that much, but when I do, that's the pace :D
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100p/hour is NOT average.
Not for the general public or the wider GR population, at least.
I grant it might be average within NBRC readers.
Cat wrote: "Sonia, I hate to break it to you, but you are a fast reader!100p/hour is NOT average.
Not for the general public or the wider GR population, at least.
I grant it might be average within NBRC re..."
Ahahahah. Okay then, I'm a fast reader, that reads 50-80 books a year.
Well... now. Back on my good reading years I was around 120-140. Now, well, life happened...
*grins*
I do need to get an ipod though, because although I love audio books, the pacing annoys me!!! Too slow for me. LOL.
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I figured since the Quaffle wasn't yet broken and Jen had to be read back in anyway, the chain could still count if it was done before your keeper finished her book to break the Quaffle.
We'll scrap the goal as it was a mistake.