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25.8 - Dakimel's Task: Rulebreakers
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Note: this task challenges you to check the Goodreads record carefully, so: do that!If necessary, ask for help from a librarian to set the record straight: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
Rule breaking approved:
1: audiobook narrators are approved 'other role' candidates, as long as you listen to the audio, the narrator is part of the GR record, and the book is not narrated by the author/co-author/contributor. The qualifying narrator does not have to be the sole narrator of the audiobook.
Saga, Vol. 1 artist Fiona Staples
2: Cynthia D'Aprix Sweeney (qualifying capital A in middle name)
Mark L Fowler (qualifying capital L middle initial)
Ursula K. Le Guin (qualifying capital L from 'Le')
Billy O'Callaghan (qualifying capital C from surname)
Alexandria Marzano-Lesnevich (qualifying capital L from hyphenated surname)
Lynda La Plante (qualifying capital L from surname prefix)
Alexander McCall Smith (qualifying capital C from McCall)
Kelly Loy Gilbert (qualifying capital L from Loy)
3: the original meaning of the series title words can change, so long as the word itself does not change. Only plurals (springs) or possessives (girl's) or plural possessives (children's) are allowed.
Does not break the rules the right way:2: Madeline L'engle - SRC rules state that her initials are ML, GR record shows no other capital letters
John le Carré - SRC rules state that his initials are JC, GR record shows no other capital letters
J.K. Rowling - K not in phrase "CAPITAL NOT INITIAL"
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For tasks that require reading a book from a Goodreads listopia list or shelf, the book must appear on the list or shelf when you access it and the player may not add books to the list to be used for that task.
sanity checking for #3 - Drive Me Crazy - (Holland Springs #1) - SPRINGS (with the plural being allowed)
Yes, in the spirit of rule breaking 😄 the “seasonal” meaning of the word is not important, just that the word (or its plural/possessive) does not otherwise change.
And I will also allow plural possessives - children’s, etc. I’ll specify that when I get to a browser.
Just a question in general - Option A ... I'm assuming that "narrator" qualifies as one of the "other roles"?This audio book is narrated by the AUTHOR
Would we be able to use an audio narrated by the author (assuming the initials were in the phrase)? Or is the dual role of author, narrator automatically excluded?
Re Option 2: does this author work "A" in D'Aprix and in cApital (or would only the "D" in her middle name be considered and therefore not work)?Cynthia D'Aprix Sweeney
Option 2, Madeleine L'Engle - would I use the L or the E? The L is in the phrase, the E is not.
argh I was soo excited thinking I could use the John Le Carre book here and then realized that he uses a little L - dammit! :(
Book Concierge wrote: "Just a question in general - Option A ... I'm assuming that "narrator" qualifies as one of the "other roles"?This audio book is narrated by the AUTHOR [bookcover:Born a Crime: Stories from a Sout..."
Yes, 'narrator' counts as an 'other role,' so long as you listen to the audio & the narrator is listed in the Goodreads record.
No, the 'other role' person cannot also be the author/co-author/contributor.
Book Concierge wrote: "Re Option 2: does this author work "A" in D'Aprix and in cApital (or would only the "D" in her middle name be considered and therefore not work)?Cynthia D'Aprix Sweeney"
Either her D or her A works for this (well, the D won't, because it's not in the phrase, but as far as determining if those are the 'right' kind of capitals, they both work.)
Suzanne wrote: "Option 2, Madeleine L'Engle - would I use the L or the E? The L is in the phrase, the E is not."for Madeline L'engle, the only capitals in her Goodreads record are the M and L, which act as her first and last initials for SRC tasks. There is no 'spare' capital in her name to use in this task.
Same of course for John le Carré - his only capitals are in his first & last names.
will Silver work for option 2Mark L. Fowlereta and The Hurricane Party translator Tiina Nunnally for option 1
Marie (UK) wrote: "will Silver work for option 2Mark L. Fowlereta and The Hurricane Party translator Tiina Nunnally for option 1"
yes, both work!
Again, Option 2: What I'm finding I've got a lot of is authors with two initials instead of a first name: C.S. Lewis, G.K. Chesterton, A.J. Jacobs, etc. Would a case like that work for #2, and if so which of the 2 initials is the "extra"?
For Option 2, do we only need one author to fit the criteria? Specifically, I'm looking at Saga, Vol. 1 - the author is Brian K. Vaughan, which should work, but there is an Artist listed as well (Fiona Staples), whose name doesn't fit.
Suzanne wrote: "Again, Option 2: What I'm finding I've got a lot of is authors with two initials instead of a first name: C.S. Lewis, G.K. Chesterton, A.J. Jacobs, etc. Would a case like that work for #2, and if s..."Yes, the 2-inital + surname authors work perfectly for the 'initials' task.
SRC rules state when you're claiming an 'authors initials' task that the first letter of the first name (so 'C' in 'C.S. Lewis') is the first name initial, and the first letter of the last name is the last name initial ('L' in 'C.S. Lewis')
Any other initial in the author's name, besides the first and last initials, works for this task (if that initial is in the required phrase.)
CS Lewis - qualifying initial is S
GK Chesterton - qualifying initial is K
AJ Jacobs - qualifying initial is J
MaryJane Butters - qualifying initial is J
(none of those qualifying initials, though, is in the phrase CAPITAL NOT INITIAL, so none of those authors are approves for this option.)
Boston Kate wrote: "For Option 2, do we only need one author to fit the criteria? Specifically, I'm looking at Saga, Vol. 1 - the author is Brian K. Vaughan, which should work, but there..."Yes, for option 2, ignore any of that nonsense about Option 1 & other contributors. You're looking only for the author/co-author/contributor, same as with any other SRC task.
For Brian K Vaughn, the qualifying initial is K. The phrase for the qualifying initial is 'CAPITAL NOT INITIAL,' which does not contain a K, so he will not work for option 2.
HOWEVER, his artist Fiona Staples does qualify as an 'other role' person for Option 1, and her initials FS are in the phrase 'UNIDENTIFIED OTHERS,' so Saga Vol 1 works for option 1 of this task.
(Also, it's super good so you should read it if you haven't yet!)
Author Ursula K. Le Guin. I have been burned by this author’s name more than once, since, acording to SRC rules, you cannot use “Le Guin” as a last name beginning with “L.” But may I use her for Option 2 here, since “L” is also in “capitaL”?
Melanie wrote: "Boston Kate wrote: "For Option 2, do we only need one author to fit the criteria? Specifically, I'm looking at Saga, Vol. 1 - the author is Brian K. Vaughan, which sh..."Okay, I'm not sure where my brain was on that one. *sigh* Good to know that an artist works for Option 1, though. I thought that an artist would count as a contributing author, so thanks for clearing that one up. :)
Nick wrote: "Author Ursula K. Le Guin. I have been burned by this author’s name more than once, since, acording to SRC rules, you cannot use “Le Guin” as a last name beginning with “L.” But ma..."
Yes! Ursula K. Le Guin's L is approved!
For verification that I have this right2) The Dead House by Billy O'Callaghan
Initial C in Capital
4) A Wolf's Duty #150 on the Ebook Verification list
Deborah wrote: "For verification that I have this right2) The Dead House by Billy O'Callaghan
Initial C in Capital
4) A Wolf's Duty #150 on the Ebook Verificat..."
Perfect! Just check when you claim the option 4 one that it's row number hasn't changed, and also that no version with a valid page number hasn't popped up on the GR record.
Just being daft here, but for option 2 would The Fact Of a Body by Alexandria Marzano-Lesnevich be allowed with ‘L’ as the usually not counted capital? Thanks, List_addict
Charlston wrote: "Just being daft here, but for option 2 would The Fact Of a Body by Alexandria Marzano-Lesnevich be allowed with ‘L’ as the usually not counted capital? Thanks, List_addict"Yes, that's another perfect example. She's approved.
Nice task! For option 2, Alexander McCall Smith - can I just use the C or does the M also have to be in the target phrase?
Meg wrote: "Nice task! For option 2, Alexander McCall Smith - can I just use the C or does the M also have to be in the target phrase?"Just one initial in the target phrase, so it works!
Pia wrote: "Hi, for Option 2:
Lynda La Plante
Will it work?"
Yep, it sure will!
Am I correct in thinking that Under the North Star with Translator and Foreword by Richard Impola would work for Option 1 Since the translator's initials appear in the phrase , UNIDENTIFIED OTHERS, lLikewise, The Black Lizard and Beast in the Shadowswith Ian Hughes as translator?
Andy wrote: "Am I correct in thinking that Under the North Star with Translator and Foreword by Richard Impola would work for Option 1 Since the translator's initials appear in the phrase , UNIDE..."That's exactly right - either will work!
Kayla wrote: "Does J.K. Rowling work for option 2?"Sorry, no - the K is the right type of initial, but it's not found in the phrase "CAPITAL NOT INITIAL"
For option 1 - Is it ok to use one of the two narrators for a book? Before We Were Yours is narrated by both Emily Rankin and Catherine Taber. Emily fits the task. Catherine does not.
Chris wrote: "For option 1 - Is it ok to use one of the two narrators for a book? Before We Were Yours is narrated by both Emily Rankin and Catherine Taber. Emily fits the task. Catherine does not."Yes, that works - the 'other contributor' can be involved in just a portion of the work, so long as they're listed in the GR data. Be sure to link to / specify that you listened to the audio on this one.
So would this work for option 2? I have to check since I already screwed this up once!Picture Us in the Light Kelly Loy Gilbert L as the capital and L is in the phrase
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Ever realize almost too late the book you intended for a SRC task won’t work because it breaks one of the challenge rules? This task throws all those rules out the window! (Okay, it doesn’t really. But it does play with them.)
Pick 2 of the options below and read one book for each option.
For this task, genres Sequential Art, Comics, Comic Book, and Manga are allowed.
Required: Identify the options.
1: “Identified as Author” – SRC tasks referencing initials apply to the author/co-author/contributor of the book, not any other role such as editor, illustrator, artist, translator, introduction, etc.
For this option, read a book with an ‘other role’ person named in the GR record whose first and last initials can be found in the phrase UNIDENTIFIED OTHERS. The "other role" may not also be an author, co-author or contributor to the work.
You must read the version with the ‘other role’ listed on the edition book page, i.e., Jane Eyre by Charlotte Brontë with an "introduction" and "Editor" Stevie Davies (S in otherS, D in uniDentified) so you can interact with the work of the ‘other’ involved. You could not read and claim Jane Eyre an edition without another role listed on Goodreads.
REQUIRED: Post the version you read when claiming this option, and point out which ‘other’ person meets the requirement.
2. “Initials” – Unless specified, tasks looking for author initials want the first and last initial of the author, and ‘initial’ is defined by placement, i.e. the first letter of the first name, and the first letter of the last name (excluding III, Jr., or other relational suffixes.)
For this option, read a book by an author whose GR-recorded name contains a capitalized letter somewhere OTHER than the first initials of the first and last name, and that letter must be found in the phrase CAPITAL NOT INITIAL.
Examples: the ‘N’ in Ta-Nehisi Coates N in Not, the ‘C’ in Patricia C. Wrede C in Capital
3. “Title or Subtitle” – The default rule of tasks regarding titles is that both the title and subtitle can be used, but NOT the series title.
For this option, read a book whose SERIES TITLE (as listed in the GR record) contains one of the following words: Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter, Season, Reading, Challenge, Girl, Boy, Sister, Brother, Child, Woman, Man.
Plurals and possessives are okay; no other variations.
4. “No Print Edition” – Unless verified approved for length, only books with a print edition are accepted in the SRC.
For this option, read a book that does not have a valid* print edition on GR from the “SRC eBook Verification” list of approved books. NOTE: Only books approved for 100+ pages can be used for this task.
*A valid print edition has page numbers.
REQUIRED: State the row # of your book as of the day you claim the task.
5. “100+” – Every SRC-eligible book (with minor exceptions) must be over 100 pages. However, you can combine books of poetry or plays that are under 100 pages to meet the minimum page count.
For this option, read two or more books of poetry or plays. Each title MUST be fewer than 100 pages, and their combined total must be greater than 100 pages.