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Least Favorite Character?
Oh yeah, Fergus is in all the books up to Echo...and I bet he will be in book 8 too! I love Fergus!
I love Fergus, Masali and the entire lot of "spawns of the devil" and "hell-kittens". :-)
I'm glad. I always thought it was so adorable how he looked up at Jamie.
Wan wrote: "I love Fergus, Masali and the entire lot of "spawns of the devil" and "hell-kittens". :-)"me too! i love them all :)
also, i agree with everyone's statements regarding claire's stubborness...she is so frustrating sometimes!
Wendy wrote: "I like Bree and Roger, both. I also liked them together in the beginning. When Roger fell in love with her before Claire went back to Jamie. How they were making trips to see each other. Someth..."That's exactly how I feel about Bre and Roger! It seems like the only thing really tying them together is the research they do on the past.
It was really cool in Echo (and I forgave them for their transgressions and whininess) when they both are going about their day and have a flashback to the 18th c. though, like they are longing for that time. I think that realization will bring them into their own, making them both realize that they are capable people with things to offer and are stronger than they think. I def. think the whole family will end up back there as a result-that was the only time when either of them felt they really "belonged" anywhere.
Ok, let's see. For me it's Bree and Jenny. Jenny was ok in the beginning but is just plain annoying now, as far as Bree's concerned it's mostly that Bree and Roger never really did it for me. I read their parts of the book, but didn't really get emotionally invested at all, not like Jamie and Claire. Loved Jemmy, though.I don't know why some people have such a problem with LJ. After all I could hardly fault him for what probably 80% of the women here have done-falling in love with Jamie.
Never really had a problem with Laoghaire, she's selfish and immature but I didn't HATE her.
Different with Frank. I REALLY HATE Frank for too many reasons to say.
As for Claire I can honestly say it never really occurred to me to do anything other then love her, not like Jamie of course, but still...
I love Ian and Ian JR. and Rollo, but don't really have any strong feelings about Marsalli and Ferghus(spelling?).
Let's see who else. Of course Will. I'll just have to wait for his character to develop before passing judgement, he's still so young, and, well, spoiled.
Nothing against Tom Christy, but was slightly weirded out by Lizzy and the twins.
As for Geilis and Black Jack, etc. that goes without saying.
Did I cover everyone?
I might be in the minority on this, but there wasn't any character that I didn't like. Separately they may have been obnoxious or mean or hateful, but as a whole they add dimension(s) to the story. Don't get me wrong, I love reading about Claire and Jamie, but without the others the story just wouldn't be the same. You need the personality (for lack of a better word) conflicts of the characters to "bounce" off of both Claire and Jamie. Makes the story so much more enjoyable.
With the exception of Harley Boble, I agree with you. Most of the characters that are villians, we get to see something genuine in them (Bonnet was the nightmares, BJR was his love for his brother, Laoghaire was her love for her kids) but you saw NOTHING in Boble other then evil.He was the only character that I hated through and through.
Wendy F wrote: "With the exception of Harley Boble, I agree with you. Most of the characters that are villians, we get to see something genuine in them (Bonnet was the nightmares, BJR was his love for his brother..."Wendy, how true. But, he was still a foil to move the story along. It was painful to read, but, gave Claire depth to her character she would not have reached otherwise. For that matter, it added depth to all of the characters involved.
He was definitely important to the plot, for sure. I just can hate him and not remember anything redeemable in him.
Wendy F wrote: "He was definitely important to the plot, for sure. I just can hate him and not remember anything redeemable in him."You're right.
Hello. I have to say that my least favorite character is Laoghaire. I did not like her from the first book to the last. And was outraged to discover Jamie married her. Out of all the women why her?! She was always so selfish,mean and immature. I don't care how hard her life was. Then there is Frank. I liked Frank very much before Claire met Jamie but then I did not care for him when Claire returned to him and could not feel sorry for him even though I know it was not his fault that Claire fell in love with Jamie and never forgot him. Only good thing I could say about him is he raised Bree like his own and took care of them. The worst part to me was when he threatened to take Bree away from Claire the night he died. As for Bree. I wanted to like her and did in the very beginning but I did not care for how she treated Roger sometimes (whom I liked very much). I did not like how she always spoke of 'Daddy Frank' to Jamie. I felt bad for Jamie because he did not get to raise her.
I liked Jenny in the beginning but she annoyed me after that. She was not fair to Claire even though I understand she did not want to lose her brother. I hope she does not give Claire too hard a time when she finds out Claire married Lord John and slept with him. Also I would not want to see her marry again anytime soon. her love for Senior Ian was too great. She needs to take time to herself and do things she has never done to take her mind off Ian's death.
As for Claire, yes she got on my nerves sometimes. Especially when she tried to stop Jamie from killing Jack Randall in the dual in Dragonfly in Amber because of Frank. And I think it was in the Fiery Cross after she poisoned the slave and Jamie tried to talk to her about it and she tried to kick him btwn the legs instead of listening to what he had to say.
I liked Ian alot as well as Fergus. I can't say much about Marsali. Just glad she finally accepted Claire. I also liked Lord John. He could not help falling for Jamie. He has always been good to Jamie and his family. He is a good guy. I like William but am sure I will like him better in the next book,I hope. I am hoping for a quick reconciliation btwn him and his real father Jamie. After all it was Geneva who demanded Jamie go to her bed. I felt sorry for Tom Christy.
And ofcourse Jamie is my favorite. I can't think of anything he's done that has upset me except when his ego was hurt because Laoghiare was sleeping with someone else. He is only human after all.
THANK YOU for mentioning Jenny! I thought I was alone with my dislike for Jenny. She was so mean to Claire in Echo...didn't she call Claire a witch (maybe to Michael), she forced Jamie onto Leghair. I just don't see any justification for Jenny being such a snot. Claire saved all of them during The Rising...the potatoes, and the whole knowing the outcome of Culloden so Jamie sent the men back home. I could go on and on...I am not excited about her being in America now. She does need to find her own place in the world so she will stay out of J & C's business! I am sorry for her loss of Ian and I am happy she is traveling...but she owes Claire an apology!
Okay...I feel better after that rant :)
I can understand the hatred for Laoghaire even if I don't myself feel it. I have a hard time with the animosity toward Jenny. I get why someone would be really angry about her convincing him to marry Laoghaire, even though she thought Claire was dead and wanted him to be happy. I was more upset when she called Laoghaire when Claire came back. But I don't hate her for one mistake.
As far as what happened in Echo, I felt so very sad for her. *Echo spoiler here*, (view spoiler)
Yes Leah I totally agree. Jenny does owe Claire an apology for how unflairly she has treated. I could not believe it when Jenny asked Claire to cure Sr Ian as if Claire was God or the Virgen Mary or something and then to say under her breath "you have no soul". I was flabberghasted. I thought 'Nerve of you Jenny as good as Claire has been to you and your family!"...Some people are so ungrateful. I mean I understand she was upset and suffering over Ian's illness but she did not need to be so cruel to her. I just had a thought, what is Claire and Jamie set her up with Tom Christy?!" lol....Poor Tom...
Teresita wrote: "Hello. I have to say that my least favorite character is Laoghaire. I did not like her from the first book to the last. And was outraged to discover Jamie married her. Out of all the women why her?..."I love your reasoning though not agree too all of it, BUT OMG...did I read it right? Claire married LJ, OMG...I can't thumb thru these disc's anymore. Why would she do that? forget Jenny forgiving her, I don't know if I can. ahhhhh....
BTW, I don't like Jenny either, who she thinks she is being so righteous to everyone. Esp when she didn't write after Ian had left. Loving her brother, she should know he had tried everything, plus he wrote to her every night about his daily routines. She just have to control everything and everyone, when is she going to realize that all of her choices didn't work for everyone, esp after the Laoghaire incedent?
Crazy4more wrote: "Teresita wrote: "Hello. I have to say that my least favorite character is Laoghaire. I did not like her from the first book to the last. And was outraged to discover Jamie married her. Out of all t..."Hi Crazy4more. I am sorry if I spoiled that part where I mentioned Claire marrying LJ..But you will see why it happened. It was not something they wanted to do but LJ was trying to help Claire and was doing it as a favor to Jamie when they thought Jamie died. That is all I am going to say about that. Again I apologize to you for having said it and I felt I had to explain why it happened since i already spilled the beans about it.
My least favorite character is Philip Wylie. He is nothing but a problem for Claire from the moment he meets her. I just want to stick a large hat pin into that oversized ego he has.
Thats a really good one. Not many people mention Philip Wylie. He really was a schmuck.
Speaking of Philip could he be the one who touched Claire that night in the dark..Never found out who it was..I don't think it was Jamie.
Don't worry about it Teresita. I flipped too when my sister mentioned Jamie had a son when I was reading Dragonfly, he married Laoghaire, etc. it's more of me nosying. Just like the very first time reading about Claire and Frank and then she married Jamie. I was like, there is no way I can even fathon that love story made sense, laugh's on me now. DG also find a way for the twist and than made the whole situation sensible. I just started ABOSAA, but I can't stop cheating my glancing thru these threads.
Teresita wrote: "Speaking of Philip could he be the one who touched Claire that night in the dark..Never found out who it was..I don't think it was Jamie."Diana answered that question to a fan. She said that 'of course it was Jamie'.
Wendy F wrote: "Teresita wrote: "Speaking of Philip could he be the one who touched Claire that night in the dark..Never found out who it was..I don't think it was Jamie."Diana answered that question to a fan...." thanks..i was never sure. it's good to know that. lol
to crazy4more (LOL) I can't say I blame you for wanting to know. I am same way but at same time like to be surprised. My 13 year old niece says I always spoil a book or movie wanting to say what happens b4 she reads or sees the film. I have to stop myself. And what happened with Claire & LJ I think was understandble because of the circumstances. Poor Claire and LJ thinking Jamie died they were totally grief stricken. And Claire especially was like suicidal. Anyway I don't know how other people feel about it but I can understand their situation. Except for what's with her and LJ I don't know about that. You will see when yiu get to that.
As far as Philip Whiley I had to think for a minute because had forgotten about him for a moment. Trying to keep up with all the characters. I didn't like him either but I found that part of the story alittle funny with Claire trying to get away from him and Jamie and Claire arguing in front of everyone after Philip kissed her. Trying to steal her from under Jamie's nose as Jamie put it. Whom comes to mind that I didn't care for at all was Richard Brown. But I guess later he makes amends with Jamie when he joins him the war with the rebels.
Carren wrote: "I might be in the minority on this, but there wasn't any character that I didn't like. Separately they may have been obnoxious or mean or hateful, but as a whole they add dimension(s) to the story...."You are so right carren. Sometimes we forget that without those characters (evil or good) the book would not be as good. They all make the story more interesting.
When I started reading Outlander i didn't think I would like it so much but the the end of the book I had to know what happened next. To the point that i had to buy all the books.
My sister read it and didn't like it asked me why DG had to go into so much detail about Jamie's rape in prison and that he recuperated too fast and next thing he was with his wife again within a short time when she feels that when people go thru something like that it should take more time before they are with someone else. But I don't see it that way and i told her 'everyone is different'...She analyses things too much I think. And a friend from work borrowed the book but only read half and gave it back to me. I know to each their own. I am just happy to be able to share my thoughts and talk about the outlander books on this website.
Teresita wrote: "to crazy4more (LOL) I can't say I blame you for wanting to know. I am same way but at same time like to be surprised. My 13 year old niece says I always spoil a book or movie wanting to say what ha..."OMG, really, seriously I got to stop coming back to this chat...just kidding!
Teresita wrote: "As far as Philip Whiley I had to think for a minute because had forgotten about him for a moment. Trying to keep up with all the characters. I didn't like him either but I found that part of the st..."That's the Philip guy! I didn't have a book for TFC and listening only to the audio, the names were not embedded into my mind as well as they should. OK, Philip wins the least favorite in my opinion. He's so annoying, how many time can Claire tell him she's not interested, she's way to old for him (like being his mother but Jamie corrected as more being like his grandma, laughing...he was so bugged!)
Wendy F wrote: "Teresita wrote: "Speaking of Philip could he be the one who touched Claire that night in the dark..Never found out who it was..I don't think it was Jamie."Diana answered that question to a fan...."
REALLY? you are full of surprises for me today, lol. I was thinking how am I was going to find out who invaded me if I was in Claire's position. Can't ask Jamie knowing how jealous he gets, he would kill the bastard. On the other, it looks bad that she couldn't recognize her husband in the dark? It's a lose - lose situation either way for her. But it's so creepy that I would want to find out who did it so I can protect myself. Should I wiggle my toes in front of Philip and Jamie, hoping to intice the guilty one to do "this little piggy goes to the market"? thank goodness DG solved that mystery for me.
I thought Philip Wylie's character was a real hoot. So full of himself. You knew he was going to pay in the end for his behavior.
Yes that Philip guy was full of himself but he was not the least of my favorites. I really didn't pay him much mind. I also didn't know what to think of Jamie's aunt Jacosta. Like a didn't totally trust her. What did the Mackenzies have against Jamie's father Brian anyway?! It's like they all had something negative to say about him and how he took their sister Ellen. Etc.
Crazy4more wrote: "Wendy F wrote: "Teresita wrote: "Speaking of Philip could he be the one who touched Claire that night in the dark..Never found out who it was..I don't think it was Jamie."Diana answered that qu..." crazy4more, I didn't know what to think of that scene. I wanted to believe it was Jamie but started to wonder if it was Philip and it was driving me crazy. But then Jamie was just downstairs when she came out of the room. So that should've given me a clue. lol. I loved when Jamie told her she looked so beautiful walking down the stairs and wanted to do it right there. OMG ...lol
Teresita:I think the McKenzies didn't like the fact that Jamie's father "eloped" with Ellen and that they didn't have any say in the marriage at all. They all thought that they should have had a say in the matter and if they did Brian and Ellen would have never married. Remember they married for love, not for money or land and that's what had the McKenzies in a tizzy.
Carren wrote: "Teresita:I think the McKenzies didn't like the fact that Jamie's father "eloped" with Ellen and that they didn't have any say in the marriage at all. They all thought that they should have had a ..." thanks Karen. I understand better now even though I think that was unfair of them.
Wendy F and Teresita...the beauty of Diana's writing is how she weaves the 'magical & mystical' in with the realistic and practical. If DG says, "of course it was Jamie..." I take her word for it - however, in my mind, her statement does not clarify if it was Jamie-in-the-flesh or Jamie-who-is-able-to-'see'-and- 'be'-elsewhere...I won't introduce spoilers at this point - but by the end of EITB, it's well established that while he can't travel through the stones, Jamie has his own unique 'abilities'...at least I like to allow for such possibilites - just as, I'm convinced, DG does...
That's an interesting idea, that he was able to be there in a way that's not physical.I just figured he had done it in his drunkenness and not thought of it again.
Kathleen wrote: "Wendy F and Teresita...the beauty of Diana's writing is how she weaves the 'magical & mystical' in with the realistic and practical. If DG says, "of course it was Jamie..." I take her word for it -..."thanks Kathleen. I see what you mean and never thought of that. Good point.
well, there you go, abiding by Occam's Razor - I hate that guy!
This "cheat sheet" is so exciting. I really need to read instead of reading up bits and pieces, lol. Have a great weekend.
For me so far.......Leoghaire of course, Black Jack. In Outlander I like Geilis. She warned Claire not to touch the "changeling" Claire insisted on staying there. And it wasn't Geilis's fault that Claire was imprisioned with her and in the end she did create a diversion so Claire could get away. So I liked her then. But later what she did with Ian and the other boys and stealing the picture of Brianna. Didn't like her anymore. Never really cared for Frank either. Or Dougal
Ughhh... I am almost finished with A Breath of Snow and Ashes. My kindle says I am at 93%. These posts come up in my email and I don't know why I read this one. I try to look and see if spoiler alert is written. I guess I missed it. From what I just read here I am afraid to read An Echo in the Bone. From the spoiler I just saw I don't think I am going to like the book at all. Who's read it and What do think compared to the rest of the books?
Fawn wrote: "Ughhh... I am almost finished with A Breath of Snow and Ashes. My kindle says I am at 93%. These posts come up in my email and I don't know why I read this one. I try to look and see if spoiler ale..." Hi Fawn. I hope I am not one of those that spoiled something. Everyone has their opinions Echo. I for one loved it just as I have loved all the Outlander books. I recommend not to miss out on that book no matter what you have read. As far as I am concerned it is a great. yes some cliffhanger at the end til next book comes out next year.
Fawn wrote: "Ughhh... I am almost finished with A Breath of Snow and Ashes. My kindle says I am at 93%. These posts come up in my email and I don't know why I read this one. I try to look and see if spoiler ale..." Fawn,Honestly the first 3 books are my favorites but I like them all. the Outlander series has become like an addiction for me. I cannot wait for the next book #8 in 2012...I would not miss out on Echo in the Bone If I were you. But that is just my opinion if you really like the series.
Shay wrote: "For me so far.......Leoghaire of course, Black Jack. In Outlander I like Geilis. She warned Claire not to touch the "changeling" Claire insisted on staying there. And it wasn't Geilis's fault that ..." Hi Shay. I agree with yiu in Geilis. I liked her in the first book too even though she murdered her husband which ofcourse i did not like but she did save Claire and defend her from being a witch. But then when she took Ian and other boys I wondered what happened to her.
Teresita, the crazy thing with Geilis is that she truly believed the people who can travel thru the stone is meant to change history...no matter what's the cost. She is so one-track-minded that she'd killed, kidnapped, rapped, returned to the past to get things right...in her point of view. I'm not even sure how many times she came back. Per Claire's knowledge, it was twice, after her 2 kills of husbands. She'd successfully extended Dougal's blood via MacKenzie. When she learned about Ian, I'm thought she wanted impregnant with him too, or did she wanted to kill bc why would she wanted to go after Bree?Or am I really lost in that train of thought?
I thought Geilis only went through once. She was shocked when she found out that Claire had gone and come back. She asked how she could bare it after the first time. And she said she was shocked that she did it without blood.
Crazy4more wrote: "Teresita, the crazy thing with Geilis is that she truly believed the people who can travel thru the stone is meant to change history...no matter what's the cost. She is so one-track-minded that sh..."Crazy4more I agree with what you said about Geilis. I am just glad Ian was saved in time by Claire and Jamie. I was so angry when she shot Jamie..OMG...Geilis was crazy or wacked...lol
I think my favorite characters are Jamie and Fergus. Does anybody remember him? (I just started the 3rd book so i don't know if he's mentioned again.)