Would you rather live in a world without science...or in a world without religion? Showing 3,451-3,500 of 12,463

[[deleted user]]

who puts a cat as their profile picture ? to ugly to put ur face in it haha

[John]

-Y_A_I_R- wrote: "who puts a cat as their profile picture ? to ugly to put ur face in it haha"

It's always nice to see how Religion makes people better and more moral.

Oh well, I guess it's not surprising seeing as god promotes murder, rape, slavery, and more.

[[deleted user]]

god made you so you should thank hi that ur living!

[Old-Barbarossa]

-Y_A_I_R- wrote: "god made you so you should thank hi that ur living!"

With a response like that I can only assume you are a member of the clergy versed in canon law and debating techniques...

[Hazel]

-Y_A_I_R- wrote: "god made you so you should thank hi that ur living!"

my parents made me.

[Hazel]

who has a cat as their profile picture?

[aPriL does feral sometimes]

Meow

[Travis]

Shanna wrote: "Breanna wrote: "well at lease i believe in god i love god not the devil"

Neither exist."

According to Tom Waits:

'Don't you know there ain't no devil, it's just god when he's drunk.'

[Hazel]

April the Cheshire Meow wrote: "Meow"

of course, that was a bit dense of me :P

[John]

-Y_A_I_R- wrote: "god made you so you should thank hi that ur living!"

Didn't we already have that topic?
God has not "made me" as there in all likelihood is no god.


And for those who take that statement as a sign I'm really just a closet theist: God is in the same category as Fairies, Banshees, Ghosts, Bigfoot, Yeti, Nessie, cockamouse (How I met your mother FTW ;-) ), and my personal favorite: A Unicorn fucking a Leprechaun with a rainbow being the ejaculation (I just love that comparison :-D )

[Maria]

Ok now we've sunk to a new low, even for this discussion.

[Hazel]

nah, we've been here before Maria, it happens once every few pages.

[Maria]

Hazel wrote: "nah, we've been here before Maria, it happens once every few pages."

LOL - I'm enjoying it, actually.

[Shanna]

Hazel wrote: "Shanna wrote: "LOL, I concede and doff my cap madam, mostly because the only thing I can come up with eyerolling.... "

aww, honey, you could have gone with something like these:

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ROFLOL
I really have to start collecting these as I find them for such occasions

[Travis]

Shanna wrote: "Hazel wrote: "Shanna wrote: "LOL, I concede and doff my cap madam, mostly because the only thing I can come up with eyerolling.... "

aww, honey, you could have gone with something like these:

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R..."

Tommy Lee Jones is so cool he can facepalm without even moving his hands.
I think we all suspected that.

[Andrew]

I can only wish to live in a world without religion! That would be some kind of wonderful.

[Maria]

Andrew wrote: "I can only wish to live in a world without religion! That would be some kind of wonderful."

Why?

[cHriS]

Andrew wrote: "I can only wish to live in a world without religion! That would be some kind of wonderful."

There would be a lot of redundant atheists.

An atheist being someone without a belief in God, not necessarily someone who believes that God does not exist.

So even without religion the belief in god would still exist.

[Travis]

cs wrote: "Andrew wrote: "I can only wish to live in a world without religion! That would be some kind of wonderful."

There would be a lot of redundant atheists.

An atheist being someone without a belief in..."

but, god's not the problem. It's his fan clubs hat keeping screwing things up for the rest of us.
If they'd just behave, then I'd be okay with the whole thing.

[[deleted user]]

Travis wrote: "but, god's not the problem. It's his fan clubs hat keeping screwing things up for the rest of us.
If they'd just behave, then I'd be okay with the whole thing. "

I actually agree on this point. Although, I'm not sure you will agree with what I'm about to say. ;)

I don't believe God is the problem either. I believe some of the people who interpret God have messed things up horribly and are the problem.

Of course, I also believe a lot of other people have messed things up. Politicians who are more interested in personal gain and glory than the people they represent. People who use the tools scientists developed in order to destroy others. Et cetera ....

Ultimately, life isn't going to be some kind of wonderful unless and until we focus on the real problem.

Hmmm.... Perhaps the real problem is ... our interpretations.

PS.... As an aside, regarding face palms .... I will truly be impressed if someone can find one of Sean Bean (or Daniel Craig). ;)

Ha, ha, ha, ha....

[Travis]

Shannon wrote: "Travis wrote: "but, god's not the problem. It's his fan clubs hat keeping screwing things up for the rest of us.
If they'd just behave, then I'd be okay with the whole thing. "

I actually agree o..."

I don't have problems with your beliefs, shannon.

It's your Sean Bean obsession that's making worrying.

[[deleted user]]

Travis wrote: "It's your Sean Bean obsession that's making worrying.
"

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

;)

[Hazel]

Shannon, challenge accepted:

[[deleted user]]

Hazel wrote: "Shannon, challenge accepted:

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OH, MAN!!

You are good. I'm officially impressed!

Travis, close your eyes so you don't have to see! ;) Hee, hee, hee!

Too funny!

[cHriS]

Travis wrote: "cs wrote: "Andrew wrote: "I can only wish to live in a world without religion! That would be some kind of wonderful."

There would be a lot of redundant atheists.

An atheist being someone without ..."

Again you are not completely wrong. For the most part it is the non Christian religions fan club that we both have issues with.

[Hazel]

last time, belief in god in and of itself constitutes religion. There is religion that is belief in god, and religion meaning the instutions that formalise and promote that belief.

Its amazing how many times I have had to say this. Belief in and of itself is religion, even if you never formalise it with institutions, removing religion would involve the removal of belief in god, as that belief is religion. As long as there is belief in god (or similar supernatural entity/higher power) there is religion, and whenever there is belief in god, there is atheism, as atheism is a stance in relation to the claim of gods existence, and peoples belief that such exists, not to organised religious institutions.

[Travis]

I see it as two things: religion: the belief system and religion the organized institution.
Maybe one of those should be capitalized...?

Believing in the man in the sky, petty harmless.
Getting together with a couple million people who then decide everybody must live by laws based on stuff your imaginary friend told you all...that's when we start getting into trouble.

[Travis]

You are good. I'm officially impressed!

Travis, close your eyes so you don't have to see! ;) Hee, hee, hee!

I feel like I should find Sean Bean's e-mail address and warn him...

[Hazel]

Travis wrote: "You are good. I'm officially impressed!

Travis, close your eyes so you don't have to see! ;) Hee, hee, hee!

I feel like I should find Sean Bean's e-mail address and warn him..."

http://famous-relationships.topsynerg...

;P

[[deleted user]]

Hazel wrote: "Travis wrote: "You are good. I'm officially impressed!

Travis, close your eyes so you don't have to see! ;) Hee, hee, hee!

I feel like I should find Sean Bean's e-mail address and warn him..."..."


Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[[deleted user]]

ok guys everybody stop fighting about something that we already know god is more IMPORTANT then any stupid science!!!!!!!

[cHriS]

-Y_A_I_R- wrote: "ok guys everybody stop fighting about something that we already know god is more IMPORTANT then any stupid science!!!!!!!"

God gave us science.

[Maria]

I don't see how anyone could look at the beauty and vastness of the universe, the mind-boggling things in creation and think that it happened on it's own as a coincidence, as a result of a big explosion. It's like taking all the components, parts and programming of a computer, throwing them up in the air and having them come together on their own into a working piece of equipment. It had to have some intelligent design. The people who deny that there is an intelligent creator are the ones who don't want to be held accountable before him for the way they decide to live and act.

[[deleted user]]

yea but with out god we wouldnt have science

[Hazel]

Maria wrote: "The people who deny that there is an intelligent creator are the ones who don't want to be held accountable before him for the way they decide to live and act. ."

ok, then the ones who do believe in such, and who believe they are rewarded with an afterlife in heaven purely for accepting god into their hearts have relieved themselves of all responsibility of their actions while they're alive. A rapist and murdered can get into heaven, as long as they accept god into their heart. Whereas an athiest, by christian doctrine, will burn in hell purely for not accepting god, even if they are the kindest, most loving and generous person while alive. This isn't moral, its pathetic and petty.

As an atheist, my actions are dictated by the fact that there are other people, to whom I have a responsibility to treat well, that there are other animals that I have a responsibility to treat well, not because there's a reward or punishment for it, but because its the right thing to do.

Morality dictated by punishment and reward such as heaven and hell is ultimately selfish and immoral, you only do good things because you want to get into heaven, and not go to hell. Thats not being good, thats being scared of hell. Morality should not be dictated by fear of punishment, or desire for reward, but because we have to live together, so we treat people how we would like them to treat us. Thats the golden rule, the rule of reciprocity, that far predates religion, and does not come from god, its an evolved trait.

I don't need a god to be held accountable to, I hold myself accountable for my actions. I don't need a god to tell me whats right or wrong, I know myself through consideration of the repercussions of my actions on other people and the world around me.

And finally, the utter idiocy of your statement that I quoted. Atheists don't believe in god, as such, they don't think that there is a deity who will hold them accountable, its not about wanting to avoid being held accountable, its not thinking there is someone there to hold us accountable, which is why we have to hold ourselves accountable, and take responsibility for our actions.

None of these statements about god mean anything until you can prove that god exists. Just like any statements about the blue unicorn that delivers socks to all the children on school training days means nothing until its existence is proved.

[Hazel]

Oh, and it wasn't a big explosion, you're confused by the name. The big bang refers to the expansion of matter from a singularity, not an explosion. Here, once again I'll post the lecture that explains how we can get a universe from nothing, and maybe you might learn something, assuming it gets watched this time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS...

[Travis]

and if the universe is so complex, then wouldn't it's creator be complex as well?

So, god couldn't have just happened either. Who created god?

and the whole 'It couldn't have just happened!' argument, ignores an infinite amount of space and a million years of things 'just happening'. Given that amount of time I think law of averages are in 'it just happen's favor.

[Jill]

I'd rather live in a world without religion. I still believe we need faith and spirituality but they can exist with the formal organization know as religion.

Science is ever changing and learning. Can we say the same about today's religions? In my opinion, no - we can not. It's seems today's religions change when "forced" to by society, only, not because it "learns" something new.

[Maria]

Hazel, you make some good points - and I don't appreciate being called an idiot. This is an adult discussion, so let's don't call names. Reading everyone's point of view and discussing it is interesting - not a reason to argue.

I agree that reward and/or punishment is not reason to live your lives in a certain way. I think that if you believe in a Creator, just respect for that entity as such is reason enough to obey his/her rules and live the way they direct, as you perceive it.

I also do not believe that "accepting God into your heart" will produce a reward or that God would doom someone to a burning hell (which is also nonsense - another discussion) - if he or she had a good heart and was a kind person. You have to "walk the walk" as it were. Faith without works is dead. God expects people to live their lives in harmony with what they profess to believe, otherwise you are being hypocritical. There is no such thing as a Sunday Christian, to coin a phrase.

I wonder about treating people nicely being an "evolved" trait. The fittest couldn't have survived very long by turning the other cheek. You have to kill or be killed, right?

What did you think of the computer analogy? You didn't comment on that? Do you think that any intelligence in design is required for creation? I have a problem thinking that everything in the universe turned out the way it did without a designer, whether he is a loving God or an evil genius mastermind...your non-critical thoughts, please!

[cHriS]

Travis wrote: "and if the universe is so complex, then wouldn't it's creator be complex as well?

So, god couldn't have just happened either. Who created god?

and the whole 'It couldn't have just happened!' argu..."
So, god couldn't have just happened either.

Maybe maybe not but that is a seperate question.

[Hazel]

I apologise for calling you an idiot.

The thing is Maria, christian doctrine includes the idea that the only thing that will prevent you getting into heaven is a refusal to believe in god, and that anyone who accepts god into their hearts has all their sins forgiven and accepts god into their hearts are rewarded into heaven, no matter how bad they were in life. So if you're a christian, you subscribe to that set of doctrines, whether you support them or not in your own moral outlook, it just means you're more moral than the bible sets out.

If gods rules which you say we should obey are those set out in theb bible, does this include stoning unruly children? Or forcing rape victims to marry their rapists? Or supporting slavery?

Survival of the fittest is not about being strongest and kill or be killed, it means that those with the traits and behaviours that increase their success at breeding and living longer pass on their genetic material to a higher proportion of the next generation. Thus if co-operation increases our chances to survive (which I'm sure you'll agree, it does, we do better together than alone, and not just us, but plenty of other species too), it is a trait that is passed on.

And no, I don't think any intelligence is required for creation, again, watch the lecture I posted, and also look up videos on abiogenesis, you can see how all it takes is a chance encounter for it to start. And if you need intelligence for the complexity and intelligence that we see, then how did god, who in order to produce the complexity and intelligence would have to be complex and intelligent come about if intelligence and complexity cannot come into existence without something intelligent to design it? It simply creates the question of who or what created god, and who or what created them? Its an infinite regression, and its illogical.

[Travis]

Well, if there was a designer, he's either not very good, doesn't like his job or has ADD.

The human body has all sorts of design problems: from the appendix, to how easily our eyes get screwed up, to us being the least able to defend itself at birth creature on the planet.
Then we get into stuff like nipples on men.

Then there's how much of the world is set up to kill us. Germs, inhospitable climates and all those other creatures that we had to stomp to the brink of extinction in order to keep them from killing us.

If you want to accept the 'there must be a creator' theory, you really have to drop the 'loving god' theory. The two ideas just don't work.

In the universe there is a near infinite amount of time, energy and stuff. That combo ensures that things can just happen.
People talk about things like planets forming and man evolving like they happened last week.
All this stuff had a billion years of trial and error before it got to us.

[Hazel]

Neil DeGrasse Tyson on stupid design:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4238NN...

[cHriS]

Jill wrote: "I'd rather live in a world without religion. I still believe we need faith and spirituality but they can exist with the formal organization know as religion.

Science is ever changing and learning...."

Science is ever changing and learning


Science is rather slow and not really ever changing.

What would you say is science greatest achievement? I bet it happened a good while ago. Man on the moon? Maybe.

Science has improved on a lot of things but there is little, that is not a theory, that is new.

Nanomedicine, Theory of Everything, Mission to Mars, these are all for the future but not yet.

[Maria]

Hazel - Apology accepted - not a problem.

I do appreciate the video. But, really, if someone believes in a certain way, watching a Youtube video is not going to change their mind. If I provided a link for you to look at about how the earth did NOT simply appear out of nowhere and told you to watch it so you would "understand" would it change your mind? I don't expect it would, and rightly so.

[Hazel]

I'd at least watch it and give it due consideration, rather than ignoring it because you don't think it will say anything to change your mind. If theres nothing that can change your mind, theres no point continuing the conversation. The only way someone will never alter their perceptions is if they want pay attention to anything that challenges their perceptions.

[Maria]

I didn't think this discussion was to change each others' minds, just to exchange viewpoints.

[Hazel]

the exchange of ideas is only worth it if you accept there is a chance that someone may say something that would change your mind about the subject at hand. If that is lacking, then the discussion serves no purpose. I am willing to be convinced I am wrong about god not existing, all it would take is proof.

[Travis]

cs wrote: "Jill wrote: "I'd rather live in a world without religion. I still believe we need faith and spirituality but they can exist with the formal organization know as religion.

Science is ever changing ..."

What's the time frame for new?
You are posting on the internet, a part of science that wasn't around 25-30 years ago.
Computers have been around longer, but the ability to connect them and use them for communication is relatively new.

I don't about 'new' since most science is based on the world around us and that was created a couple million ( or 6,000 depending on your source) years ago, but it is constantly changing.

[[deleted user]]

Travis wrote: "Then we get into stuff like nipples on men."

I will not link this statement with Sean Bean.

I will not link this statement with Sean Bean.

I will not ....

;)