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[Hannah]

You are throwing out vast genaralisations , I do not say god exists no ifs no butts so why say ... " when you act that way"

And on the other hand you talk about gods existence as a 'non fact '' constantly
" there is no god "
I think you will find the the majority of Christians , etc start with the words
I believe in god ... Whereas on this thread you have constantly stated
There is no god , god is a myth ...

Trust me it isn't the believers who are comming across as arrogant

[Drew]

Hannah wrote: "You are throwing out vast genaralisations , I do not say god exists no ifs no butts so why say ... " when you act that way"

And on the other hand you talk about gods existence as a 'non fact '' c..."

Maybe you don't act that way Hannah and I apologize for lumping you in with those characters. What exactly do you believe in so that I don't make that mistake again.

Something is a non fact until it is proven to be fact, until that time it is just an ideology.

Yes, I have an OPINION on the existence of a god, I think that there is not a god, the idea of a divine being is a myth to me. It isn't logical to believe in one without even a shred of evidence. At least when I commented about the Vatican, I had some evidence that there was grounds to believe it is a corrupt system that very possibly had major ties with free masons and the mafia and has the money and motive to finance wars. Where is the evidence that a god exists? Surely you don't think that a book thousands of years old, that most likely isn't even still intact the way it was originally written and has been passed down and reinterpreted many times over, is evidence of a god. The world we live on is not evidence either, sure it is beautiful and seems to have some order but what most religious people don't think about is the non-beauty and chaos that is also present. Why would a loving, all-knowing, merciful god design those negative elements? I don't think there is a design, the universe is random just like the things that happen on this planet are random. You or I could die tonight in a horrible accident, what is god's plan there? Why not allow us to continue living and as the population grows, the planet grows, that would be a better design?

[Travis]

Hannah wrote: "You are throwing out vast genaralisations , I do not say god exists no ifs no butts so why say ... " when you act that way"

And on the other hand you talk about gods existence as a 'non fact '' c..."

Hannah, are you respectful or arrogant towards people who believe in Thor, the Tooth fairy, Aliens, Elvis is still alive or Bigfoot?
To atheists, that's what religion is. It's as real as all that other stuff.

Why do people who follow a religion think their imaginary friend is so much more worthy of respect than all the others?
is exempt from being treated like it's silly or magic?

All religion is having an imaginary friend.
Atheists aren't any more arrogant than the parent that tells their kid it's time to grow up and learn the truth about the Easter bunny, the tooth fairy or the stuffed elephant that they swear can talk.

you are entitled to have your beliefs aknowledged, you are not entitled to have them respected.

[Zohal]

Travis wrote: "Hannah wrote: "You are throwing out vast genaralisations , I do not say god exists no ifs no butts so why say ... " when you act that way"

And on the other hand you talk about gods existence as a..."

So then are you saying that people who are Athiests should treat others who believe in Islam or Christianity or Judaism like scum.
Because that is wrong.

You may not agree with other people on their beliefs etc. but that doesn't mean you can't respect them.

[Hannah]

I believe in god but I would never say " god exists " ... I can't say for sure , no one can .. He may exist he may not , I choose to believe he does but I would always say that I believe he does not he exists.

I think to say for sure one way or the other is a slightly arrogant way to think,

I for example do not believe in ghosts , but I couldn't say for sure that they defiantly don't exist so I prefer to say , I don't believe in them but I am open to being proved wrong

It's ok I am getting used to being lumped in and yes there are some people who will say " there is a god " .. Just like some who say " there is no god " ... We can't prove it either way so it shouldn't be stated as if it is a known fact

As to my own beliefs I did what you did with the Vatican sources , I used the bible and looked into the history of the bible and if the bible had any basis in history and some of the other writings taken from around that time . I personally found something there I could believe in , others may have found a different conclusion , and that is fine

I think some people seem to believe that Christians don't question things , and it is true that some divisions of e church do not encourage their followers to , they are required to be ' followers ' to learn by rote and to learn what is handed to them . I personally find this troubling as I believe it is right to question everything and I also object to divisions of the church where this is practiced ( I don't want to offend anyone so I will not mention which divisions of the church I am referring to )
There are however some parts of the estabshed church who actively encourage you to question and to find your own path around

[Drew]

Isabelle wrote: "Travis wrote: "Hannah wrote: "You are throwing out vast genaralisations , I do not say god exists no ifs no butts so why say ... " when you act that way"

And on the other hand you talk about gods..."

Putting words into Travis's mouth aren't you?

Do you respect Theistic Satanists?

[Hannah]

And message from mum .... She says yes to the mafia thing ( again probably ) no to the free masons thing ( again probably ) ... And she laughed as she says you haven't even touched the surface of the corruption that goes on within the Vatican.

There is a problem with the fact that sometimes organised religion does. Things that are not in keeping with the way of life it is supposed to follow and it gets confused with personal religion ..

Organised religion I would be quite happy to get rid of as it has been so corrupt and has indoctrinated instead of letting people question , I think that a lot of people who have left religion may have stayed had they not had an upbringing in a church such as that

[Zohal]

I believe that the Illuminati exists

But I don't believe in them.

(does anyone here know what the Illuminati is)

[Zohal]

Drew wrote: "Isabelle wrote: "Travis wrote: "Hannah wrote: "You are throwing out vast genaralisations , I do not say god exists no ifs no butts so why say ... " when you act that way"

And on the other hand yo..."

Well I'd respect their beliefs and everything but obviously to myself I would not approve of them. But I wouldn't go telling them or anyone that.

All I'm saying is that many holy wars have occurred because one religion things their more superior to the other religion.

Which I think is not a good thing.

[Drew]

Hannah wrote: "And message from mum .... She says yes to the mafia thing ( again probably ) no to the free masons thing ( again probably ) ... And she laughed as she says you haven't even touched the surface of t..."

Oh yeah, the Vatican is super corrupt.

[Zohal]

Does anyone here believe that the Devil exists ?

Whether it be the idea of the devil or its physical existence.

[Hannah]

I agree that wars have been fought in the name of religion and I would never agree with them , but wars of any kind are fought when one side thinks they are superior to the other or territory is involved , it is not just a religious thing

[Drew]

Isabelle wrote: "I believe that the Illuminati exists

But I don't believe in them.

(does anyone here know what the Illuminati is)"

Uh... so you believe they exist but you don't believe in what they do, is that right?

I believe the Illuminati is just a higher branch of free masonry, the top dogs so to speak.

[Drew]

Isabelle wrote: "Does anyone here believe that the Devil exists ?

Whether it be the idea of the devil or its physical existence."

No I do not.

[Zohal]

Well lets just hope there's no World War three considering how advanced society is today in terms of weapons.

Nuclear bombs
Nuclear weapons
etc.

Although why wars ? I mean I know it would be pretty easy to counter argument my point but seriously. You don't achieve anything much from wars except for violence and bloodshed throughout the period of the war.

Even if the side who seems to think they have the better morals wins it doesn't mean their the right side to be on considering what had happened in order to achieve that. But then the other side is just as similar.


(your thoughts ?)

(I don't think anything I just said made sense)

[Drew]

I'm an unusual atheist, I believe in paranormal activity like hauntings, poltergeists, alternate realities, UFOs, alien life, and cryptids.

[Hannah]

Travis if you read back through what I have said you will find that while I may not personally believe what they do I would support their belief as I have no proof that the tooth fairy doesn't exist ..

I have said over and over again , my belief is personal I can't say yes god exists , for sure , yep defiantly , no question about it ...

And much as it may piss you off you can't say for sure that he doesn't .. Defiantly not ...
You can state that you don't believe he exists and that you think he is an imaginary friend ...
And that is fine

Actually you can carry on saying he is a myth , he is imaginary .. It just makes you look arrogant and closed minded

[Zohal]

Drew wrote: "Isabelle wrote: "I believe that the Illuminati exists

But I don't believe in them.

(does anyone here know what the Illuminati is)"

Uh... so you believe they exist but you don't believe in what t..."

yes. I believe they exist I don't believe in what they do.

[Hannah]

That is unusual drew , see for me I don't personally believe in all that but I am willing to be proved wrong ...

Notice how I say I don't believe , not they don't exist ..

Or according to Travis .. You have imaginary friends drew ...

This is where that little I believe / I don't believe comes in handy ...

[Hannah]

It did isabella and I agree , if there ever is another world war it will be possibly close to the end of the world as we know it . The arms technology we have now is so vast that it would probably wipe out whole countries

[Hannah]

Drew you should read some of my mums books on the corruption in the Vatican ... She has a. Whole library !!!!!!!!

[Drew]

Hannah wrote: "That is unusual drew , see for me I don't personally believe in all that but I am willing to be proved wrong ...

Notice how I say I don't believe , not they don't exist ..

Or according to Travis..."

You can say they don't exist, it doesn't offend me.

Here's the thing Hannah, paranormal is not the same thing as supernatural. Paranormal experiences are experiences that lie outside the range of normal experience or scientific explanation or that indicates phenomena understood to be outside of science's current ability to explain or measure. Supernatural refers to being above or beyond what is natural, a god or deity would be supernatural.

I believe in hauntings not ghosts.

[Drew]

Hannah wrote: "Drew you should read some of my mums books on the corruption in the Vatican ... She has a. Whole library !!!!!!!!"

I would love to, maybe you could provide me with a list of books that your mum would recommend.

[Zohal]

Drew wrote: "Hannah wrote: "That is unusual drew , see for me I don't personally believe in all that but I am willing to be proved wrong ...

Notice how I say I don't believe , not they don't exist ..

Or acco..."

There's such thing called Sleep paralysis. It is this paranormal thing. You should look it up. It is quite creepy. I looked it up because I experience it once and wanted to know what it was.

[Drew]

Isabelle wrote: "Drew wrote: "Hannah wrote: "That is unusual drew , see for me I don't personally believe in all that but I am willing to be proved wrong ...

Notice how I say I don't believe , not they don't exist..."

Yes, I know about this, many people confuse this with being physically harassed by a spirit.

[Zohal]

Drew wrote: "Isabelle wrote: "Drew wrote: "Hannah wrote: "That is unusual drew , see for me I don't personally believe in all that but I am willing to be proved wrong ...

Notice how I say I don't believe , not..."

That's what I thought too at first.

[Hannah]

I will get her to give you a book list At the moment she is reading a book by David yallop which she is enjoying very much .

I would say that I probably haven't a clue about paranormal ... I think there are things in life we just can't explain , science does not give all the answers .

I know it wouldn't offend you but as I have said , I can't be sure if they exist or not so I would always say think and believe ... I don't like to state a solid fact unless itis an actual solid fact

Sleep paralysis is a medical thing ..... And itis horrid

[Drew]

Hannah wrote: "I will get her to give you a book list At the moment she is reading a book by David yallop which she is enjoying very much .

I would say that I probably haven't a clue about paranormal ... I think..."

There are some scientists that are attempting to find answers to the paranormal.

[Lucy Qhuay]

We can't say that religion is the one and only cause of the evils we see in the world because if someone fights in name of religion, that one person certainly uses weapons that were a product of science.
In that sense, if religion is a bad thing, so is science!
But back to the question, I would prefer to live in a world without science because science doesn't give me the peace of mind I need considering certain aspects.
I think about science and religion as reason and emotion.
A great writer from my country called Fernando Pessoa wrote a lot about reason/knowledge and happiness and he came to the conclusion that he was that unhappy because he had reason and he could see the world as it really was and understand and think about things.
If he was a little less reason, if he had a little less knowledge and if he was not that aware of the world, he would be happy.
I have the same opinion.
Science gives us understanding and that is really important when we look around us.
But science doesn't give me the happiness and the peace I also need. And even some of the answers I crave.
I need the emotion. I need to feel a certain way about certain things.
I need to feel a bit more so that the things I know and understand don't weight so much on my shoulders.

[Hannah]

Do you think they will ever find the answers ? I guess I figure that the world is so complex that there is only so much that we can figure out about it , there may be things we never fully understand

Like why Justin beer is so damn popular !!!!!

[Travis]

Hannah wrote: "Travis if you read back through what I have said you will find that while I may not personally believe what they do I would support their belief as I have no proof that the tooth fairy doesn't exis..."

again, if it's arrogant to tell a kid the tooth fairy exists, then, yeah, I'm arrogant and I can live with that.
I'm not sure why you supporting them, while not believing is seen as a better or more opened minded thing.


I enjoy reading about the supernatural, paranormal and all that stuff, but to me the bible has no more weight or reality than any other cultures myths.
Jesus is as interesting to me as Hercules.
Though, Jesus never got a Disney movie, so missed out on getting his picture on a Burger King cup.

and not sure if I believe in the illuminatti as an actual thing, but Robert Wilson's book series about them are great.

[Drew]

Hannah wrote: "Do you think they will ever find the answers ? I guess I figure that the world is so complex that there is only so much that we can figure out about it , there may be things we never fully understa..."

I think that the funds are not there to really pursue the answers at this time.

[Drew]

Travis wrote: "Hannah wrote: "Travis if you read back through what I have said you will find that while I may not personally believe what they do I would support their belief as I have no proof that the tooth fai..."

You don't believe in secret societies or just the Illuminati?

I feel the same way about the Bible, give me Stephen King any day.

[Travis]

Hannah wrote: "Do you think they will ever find the answers ? I guess I figure that the world is so complex that there is only so much that we can figure out about it , there may be things we never fully understa..."

Some questions even science cannot explain.

Justin is one of them.

Why is Snooki famous is also on the list.

[Drew]

Travis wrote: "Hannah wrote: "Do you think they will ever find the answers ? I guess I figure that the world is so complex that there is only so much that we can figure out about it , there may be things we never..."

Let's just put the majority of reality tv stars on this list.

[Travis]

Drew wrote: "Travis wrote: "Hannah wrote: "Travis if you read back through what I have said you will find that while I may not personally believe what they do I would support their belief as I have no proof tha..."

Little of both.
If we all know about them, how secret can they be?
I'm sure there are groups out there up to no good, but I doubt they'll ever be as interesting or effective as what we see in books and movies. I doubt they live up to their hype.
i'm a strong believer that most of what we think of as 'evil forces manipulating history' can be explained easier by incompetence, coincidence and a bit of greed and ignorance.

As hannah would say, I may not believe in them, but I would be supportive of them.
especially if they are the conspiracy involved with Roswell.

[Drew]

Travis wrote: "Drew wrote: "Travis wrote: "Hannah wrote: "Travis if you read back through what I have said you will find that while I may not personally believe what they do I would support their belief as I have..."

I can't get on board with you there, I fully believe that there have and still are secret societies operating and controlling much of the world. They are secret societies because you are not allowed to know their secrets not because their existence is a secret although at one time there existences were kept secret.

[Maria]

Hi Drew - I am really intrigued by the fact that you believe in hauntings. Two reasons - first, I think I read here(maybe several months ago?) where you were adamant that you have no beliefs. People were arguing with you saying that the fact that you don't believe is a belief, etc etc. If this was not you, please accept my apologies because it's quite possible I've confused you with someone else here.

The other reason I find it really interesting that you believe in hauntings is that you also say you don't believe in Satan, demons, or ghosts. That being the case, if a haunting has taken place, what exactly did the haunting, if not some sort of spirit creature? After all, there is absolutely no proof of the existence of spirit creatures good or bad, right?

[Drew]

There are secret societies that we do know existed and some still exist to some degree today. To name a few you have: The Skull and Bones(Brotherhood of Death), The Scroll and Key, The Freemasons, The Carbonari, Ordo Templis Orientis, The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, The Knights Templar, The Illuminati(founded on May 1, 1776 in Ingolstadt by Adam Weishaupt), The Bilderberg Group, The Hashshashin(The Order of Assassins), The Black Hand, The Bohemian Club, The Knights of the Golden Circle, The Thule Society, and The Sons of Liberty(members included Paul Revere, John and Samuel Adams, and John Hancock). These are all factual secret societies and there are hundreds more.

[Maria]

I totally believe in hauntings, and agree that the term "paranormal" does not necessarily mean demons or ghosts - but hauntings - something, or someone - a force of some kind - has to actually be doing the haunting, right?

[Wanda]

April wrote: "I agree with you about the lesson for A&D, to not be an extremist with what you believe. I wouldn't want to live in a world without religion OR science. Because I think they work together. We never..."

You stated this very well and I agree with you.

[Drew]

Maria wrote: "Hi Drew - I am really intrigued by the fact that you believe in hauntings. Two reasons - first, I think I read here(maybe several months ago?) where you were adamant that you have no beliefs. Peo..."

You misinterpreted what I said, I have no belief in a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe. I have no belief in an afterlife. I have no belief in a devil or hell. That doesn't mean I can't have beliefs in anything.

I said I don't believe in ghosts earlier but I do believe in hauntings, let me clear this up for you, a haunting doesn't have to include a ghost or spirit of a dead human nor does it have to be a demon. Residual hauntings can best be explained as a movie or tape recorder, that keeps replaying the same scene or noise over and over again. The paranormal activity seems to always occur around the same time, same day, or even same month. These events are usually the result of a violent death or murder that leaves an impression on the fabric of our world so to speak. It can present itself as a full blown apparition or manifestation(not a ghost), footsteps, laughter, children playing and even sounds of doors opening. Any type of paranormal phenomena that happens as a routine, and is not interactive in any way can be a residual haunting.

There is also poltergeist activity which is a disturbance caused by a human agent suffering from some form of emotional stress or tension who unknowingly causes the physical disturbances using mental forces. The mental mechanism that allows the poltergeist agent to unconsciously cause these physical disturbances is called psychokinesis. This phenomena also been explained away by physical causes such as subterranean rivers, unusual air currents, tidal patterns, geological factors and shifts in a house's foundation, and climate changes.

There is another theory, alternate realities or parallel universes, this theory gets way out there and I don't know how much to believe in this theory. It is thought by some that there are holes or thin spots in our world where our reality and an alternate reality are touching one another, causing weird phenomena. It gets into time and space and I just haven't researched it enough to give a really good explanation.

[Drew]

Drew wrote: "There are secret societies that we do know existed. To name a few you have: The Skull and Bones(Brotherhood of Death), the Freemasons, Ordo Templis Orientis, the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, ..."

Truth is, the Klu Klux Klan is also a secret society that is an offshoot of other white supremacy groups like The Southern Cross and The Knights of the White Camelia, the Klan is believed to have ties with the Freemasons too.

[Hannah]

You could add a lot of not so secret societies to that list too , and organisation with enough power and influence can lobby for change for its own good , from what I have seen the ( cant remember the right name for it ) American food lobbyists , and energy companies could also go on this list of people who have far too much power over legislation ..
And over the pond ... We have a lot of them too

[cerebus]

Isabelle wrote: "Does anyone here believe that the Devil exists ?

Whether it be the idea of the devil or its physical existence."
I'd say no, but Justin Bieber is really making me wonder.....

[cerebus]

Isabelle wrote: "There's such thing called Sleep paralysis. It is this paranormal thing..."
Sleep paralysis is anything but paranormal. It is a known scientifically described) phenomenon, but is frequently misinterpreted by people who experience it as paranormal, frequently alien abductions.

[cerebus]

Hannah wrote: "I think there are things in life we just can't explain , science does not give all the answers . "
Not yet explained is not the same as unexplainable. Not yet having an answer does not mean the default position should either be 'paranormal' or 'god'.

[Zohal]

I find society strange in the sense of the trends that we follow.

[cerebus]

Isabelle wrote: "I find society strange in the sense of the trends that we follow."
Any particular ones in mind?

[Zohal]

Cerebus wrote: "Isabelle wrote: "I find society strange in the sense of the trends that we follow."
Any particular ones in mind?"

How so many people seem to think Justin Bieber more talented than Michael Jackson ?

People not knowing who Michael Jackson even was till he died ?

People calling the crazy things people do creativity ?

If Lady Gaga did something super crazy, people would say it's called art. It's creativity.

We always seem to have stupid answers to important questions when it comes to media.