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Blithedale Romance - Preface through Ch. 7

I thought the same as a logical assumption, but I'm reserving judgement on whether that was actually it, or whether Hawthorne is doing a bit of sleight of hand (which would fit with the Veiled Lady's Sibylline response to his question).

You're right, it's short on detail. But there's quite a bit of romanticization about the project. "our exploded scheme for beginning the life of Paradise anew." " in quest of a better life." "I once had faith and force enough to form generous hopes of the world's destiny—yes!—and to do what in me lay for their accomplishment;" "I once had faith and force enough to form generous hopes of the world's destiny—yes!—and to do what in me lay for their accomplishment;" " the blessed state of brotherhood and sisterhood, at which we aimed,"
And that's just from the first 2 chapters; I would find more, but I'm being called to dinner.

"There were four of us who rode together through the storm; and Hollingsworth, who had agreed to be of the number, was accidentally delayed, and set forth at a later hour alone."
Have we met any of the other three? Zenobia was already there, as was Silas. Unless I missed it, I don't think we've been introduced to any other members of the group, have we?


Really great points.
Miles Coverdale = non-descript name. Is he an everyman?
Zenobia = fake identity. She's not what she seems.
Priscilla and Hollingsworth: Each is missing something. The two have to be combined to make a whole identity/person.

And then there's this (in chap. 2):
The better life! Possibly, it would hardly look so, now; it is enough if it looked so, then. The greatest obstacle to being heroic, is the doubt whether one may not be going to prove one's self a fool; the truest heroism is, to resist the doubt -- and the profoundest wisdom, to know when it ought to be resisted, and when to be obeyed.
Yet, after all, let us acknowledge it wiser, if not more sagacious, to follow out one's day-dream to its natural consummation, although the vision have been worth the having, it is certain never to be consummated otherwise than by a failure.

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As noted before, we've not seen much ideology yet, but there is plenty of high-minded idealism:
"Thus the track of an old conventionalism was visible on what was freshest in the sky."
"...there was better air to breathe. Air, that had not been breathed, once and again! Air, that had not been spoken into words of falsehood, formality, and error, like all the air in the dusky city!"
"I felt, so much the more, that we had transported ourselves a world-wide distance from the system of society that shackled us at breakfast time."
"We had left the rusty iron frame-work of society behind us. We had broken through many hindrances that are powerful enough to keep most people on the weary tread-mill of the established system, even while they feel its irksomeness almost as intolerable as we did."
"It was our purpose - a generous one, certainly, and absurd, no doubt, in full proportion with its generosity - to give up whatever we had heretofore attained, for the sake of showing mankind the example of a life governed by other than false and cruel principles, on which human society has all been based."
"And, as the basis of our institution, we purposed to offer up the earnest toil of our bodies, as a prayer, no less than an effort, for the advancement of our race."

I would think it was tongue-in-cheek until I remember that Hawthorne was an early member of Brook Farm, and they really did believe this idealism.
Is Hawthorne reflecting his history here with affection? Or is he bemoaning the foolish idealism that he once held?

Is Hawthorne reflecting his history here with affection? Or is he bemoaning the foolish idealism that he once held?"
Oh, there is no question they really believed it. This is a common life experience, after all, of youth and early adulthood where some form of idealism is followed which then gets tempered by time and experience. This is partly why I find this so humorous.
From these early chapters I can't quite make out yet if Hawthorne is looking back with affection, which would mean he still believes in the basic premises. Or if he thinks them foolish, then life's lessons taught him otherwise.

I felt like it was a combination of the two. As Coverdale, he feels a fond nostalgia for this idealistic time, for the unwitting arrogance that accompanies their earnest commitment to this endeavor. He can recognize the arrogance now, and no longer believes that the world can so easily be remade. It is the same air with which most of us look back on the foolish peccadillos of our youth. He reveals the cynicism which has come with the years when he says, "In my own behalf, I rejoice that I could once think better of the world's improvability than it deserved. It is a mistake into which men seldom fall twice, in a lifetime; or, if so, the rarer and higher is the nature that can thus magnanimously persist in error" (51). While he doesn't regret his former passion for reforming society, he clearly no longer believes it possible, and sounds rather contemptuous at the idea of someone even trying now.
I, too, see a droll tone apparent from time to time. I think Coverdale is definitely being tongue-in-cheek, especially given that he is now describing these events from the viewpoint of someone who no longer believes in these philosophies. While The Scarlet Letter is pretty humorless, I found "The Custom House" to be quite funny in places. Hawthorne can do humor when he wants to!

I underlined the same quote :)

In the previous chap, I was found the para describing Priscilla's silk purse interesting & C's comment that it may be "a symbol of Priscilla's own mystery" a little tantalizing. A teaser.

How far (if at all?) can we connect Coverdale as a fictional creation to Hawthorne as the author? I only know the very basic autobiography.

The only link I'm aware of is that Hawthorne was an early participant in Brook Farm. He left after about 6 months, I think, so we'll see whether the same is true here. Brook Farm was primarily initiated by a George Riley (I think that's right), but so far there is no equivalent figure here. He was single at the time he joined Brook Farm, but was engaged, which Coverdale apparently isn't.
That's all I've figured out so far.

That was a very quick turnaround! Will be interesting to see whether his enthusiasm for the project returns with his health, or whether the bloom is already off the rose and it's only a matter of time until the pedals start falling.

"It was our purpose—a generous one, certainly, and absurd, no doubt, in full proportion with its generosity—to give up whatever we had heretofore attained, for the sake of showing mankind the example of a life governed by other than the false and cruel principles on which human society has all along been based." [Chapter 3]
No doubt absurd, eh? Yet he goes anyhow

Swinish multitude?
Coverdale does, the more closely one examines his language, seem to delight in hyperbole.

Pigs! Good heavens! had we come out from among the swinish multitude for this? " [3]
Swinish multitude?
Coverdale does, the more closely one examines his language, seem to delight in hyperbole. . ..."
These are some of the things I find humorous: his conviction that he's dying from a cold, his retreat from his lofty goals at the first sign of hardship or discomfort. I think that Hawthorne is creating a likable character in Coverdale, but his dramatic tendencies make him a little absurd. But then, Coverdale's viewpoint on looking back on this period of his life seems to be that the whole endeavor was somewhat absurd. At least, that's the feeling I get from it so far.

The fun for me is how (dull, strait-laced?) Hawthorne is using words to convey that sense of absurdity. My reaction: it belongs more to today than the dated feeling I expected. (But the next chapter -- next week -- felt a bit of a let-down to me. Will need to read more to see if there is a turnaround again.)

Nathaniel Hawthorne 1804-1864
1839 – With the help of Elizabeth Peabody, is appointed Weigher and Gauger at Boston Custom House. Becomes engaged to Sophia Peabody
1841 – Resigns from Custom House. Joins utopian community of Brook Farm, but leaves after eight months
1842 – Marries Sophia on July 9
1844 – Daughter Una born
1846 – Son Julian born
1851 – Daughter Rose born
1852 – Publishes Blithedale Romance


Swinish multitude?"
Coverdale, for all of his poetic sensitivities, seems to neither possesses the common touch nor thinks much of the people in general. The very next paragraph reveals who he is referring to as the swinish multitude.
after our separation from the greedy, struggling, self-seeking world, should relate to the possibility of getting the advantage over the outside barbarians in their own field of labor.Swinish multitude sounds like an early draft version of basket of deplorables . In fact, he does refer to another character as deplorable later in the book. I hope he does not intend on running for office later in life.
Does Hawthorne intend his narrator to be likeable? I find his demonstrations of elitist contempt both offensive and insulting; diminishing my sympathy for him.

Hilarious comparison! You brightened my day in an otherwise gloomy, rainy day in Kansas.


My problem with Hollingsworth is that I don't understand why he's there. He doesn't believe in the project. , it doesn't fit at all with his philanthropic interest in reformation of criminals, which he lectures about ("It is a sad pity that he should have devoted his glorious powers to such a grimy, unbeautiful, and positively hopeless object as this reformation of criminals, about which he makes himself and his wretchedly small audiences so very miserable.")
Coverdale and Zenobia joke about having to commit crimes to keep him interested in the community.
Hawthorne seems, at least so far, to have brought him there primarily because of his influence on other people. He's the first to show sympathy and kindness to Priscilla as she stands cold and mute before the company. ("Hollingsworth's behavior was certainly a great deal more creditable than mine.")
His kindness to Coverdale, as has been mentioned, is exceptional.
And there is a hint of things to come in the passage "But he now looked stern and reproachful; and it was with that inauspicious meaning in his glance that Hollingsworth first met Zenobia's eyes, and began his influence upon her life."
And then there is that strange passage at the end of Chapter 7: "It is my private opinion that, at this period of his life, Hollingsworth was fast going mad;" What are we to make of that?
Why really, has Hollingsworth come to Blithedale? (Or, asked another way, why has Hawthorne brought him there?)

They, or at least Coverdale, do have pretty much contempt for the common throng. Perhaps that's why Hollingsworth is there; he is perhaps the only one who has really committed his life to serving the common throng, and Zenobia mocks him for it.

I got a good laugh out of that comment also. Tee hee!

I agree about Hollinsworth's influence on others. His kindness towards Priscilla and bringing her to Blithdale in light of his interest in reforming criminals, could part of her mystery be that she got in trouble?

In Chapter 7, Coverdale tells us this about Hollingsworth:
I began to discern that he had come among us actuated by no real sympathy with our feelings and our hopes, but chiefly because we were estranging ourselves from the world, with which his lonely and exclusive object in life had already put him at odds.
In other words, I think Hollingsworth had come for a bit of peace and quiet and to get away from the real world so he could work on his project. Later, we are told:
I have seen him, a hundred times, with a pencil and sheet of paper, sketching the facade, the side-view, or the rear of the structure, or planning the internal arrangements, as lovingly as another man might plan those of the projected home where he meant to be happy with his wife and children.
So he's obviously working on his project.
Also, I found his bit of self-criticism when he takes care of the sickly Coverdale endearing. Coverdale suggests he should have been a priest because he is so solicitous in taking care of the sick. Hollingsworth replies:
And you call me tender!" repeated Hollingsworth thoughtfully. "I should rather say that the most marked trait in my character is an inflexible severity of purpose. Mortal man has no right to be so inflexible as it is my nature and necessity to be."
"I do not believe it," I replied.
But, in due time, I remembered what he said.
Interesting and endearing.

That's certainly an option. But it would seem, then, that she isn't the favor Mr. Moodie was asking Coverdale about.

In other words, I think Hollingsworth had come for a bit of peace and quiet and to get away from the real world so he could work on his project.."
Good point.

(Just took a look at some reviews. May be headed for a twist: "Mathilde’s story contains more outlandishly fictional twists than those of David Copperfield, The Goldfinch’s Theo Decker, and Becky Sharp combined." Slate)

This is what struck me while reading as well, Lily.



From the introduction which I advised people to approach cautiously:
...[Hawthorne} asked only that his readers appreciate the "fictitious handling" to which his experience had been subjected, and he urged them to accept Blithedale inhabitants as "imaginary personages."... The most troubling identification that Hawthorne anticipated derived from his unusual decision to utilize a first-person narrator. Too easily, he knew, readers would confuse Coverdale's voice with the author's and believe they were getting Hawthorne's views in Coverdale's. In that event, Coverdale's perceptions of Blithedale might be taken as Hawthorne's indictment of what still remained for him "the most romantic episode of his own life."
...This was not autobiography or political tract, he wanted readers to understand, and he was not using Coverdale's voice to put forward either a personal history of Brook Farm or any theory or conclusion, "favorable or otherwise, in respect to Socialism."


Though maybe it was there in the other books and I just missed it, or maybe I was too young then to appreciate it. It's often subtle, somewhat like Austen, but not nearly as witty.


And what's more, she treats Silas not as a comrade but as a servant.

One dictionary's definition of blithe is a casual and cheeful indifference considered to be callous or improper. The singlular appearance of the word blithe seems to be in line w..."
I think the word "blithe" has something to do with the carelessness with which Coverdale and company have undertaken this endeavor. As Holly noted: Hmm-I was also thinking the farm was solid until I heard that it would require so much work from the "newbie farmers" who seemed to have very little idea of the work that was required. It does not seem that they have done too much planning. My understanding of the word "blithe" is that it refers to a naive optimism which would cause one to leap before looking.


Another thing I noticed, Silas Foster, unlike all the others, is at Blithedale because he is paid to run the farm, and teach them husbandry. (Ch. 2) Perhaps this explains why he is so much more down-to-earth than them? In chapter 4, Coverdale observes, "Neither did I refrain from questioning, in secret, whether some of us—and Zenobia among the rest—would so quietly have taken our places among these good people, save for the cherished consciousness that it was not by necessity, but choice."


The impression I get is that I they take themselves seriously, far more seriously than they take the project. Silas Foster, on the other hand, takes the project very seriously, because it is his livelihood. As Everyman noted above, Zenobia in particular, seems to treat him as a servant.

This is what struck me while reading as well, Lily."
I'm joining the discussion late, but my overall take-away from this section is my surprise and pleasure with Hawthorne's writing. I remember enjoying The Scarlett Letter years and years ago, but I didn't remember why. Hawthorne's writing is just juicy.
Mrs. Foster took her knitting-work, and soon fell fast asleep, still keeping her needles in brisk movement, and, to the best of my observation, absolutely footing a stocking out of the texture of a dream.Hawthorne's observations as the narrator are also intriguing, and often profound.
But there was something of the woman moulded into the great, stalwart frame of Hollingsworth; nor was he ashamed of it, as men often are of what is best in them, nor seemed ever to know that there was such a soft place in his heart.


I've known women who could knit with their eyes closed, faster than I could track their fingers. But maybe not while they were sleeping... still, it's a lovely vision, and very lyrical.
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