The Diary of a Young Girl
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Anyone else hate this Diary
Tytti wrote: "Mae wrote: "I argued with Tytti and she scolded me harshly for mistyping her name, which was a typo."I merely pointed out how it was written. And after you had written it wrong maybe five times i..."
You are bullying me now. It was only two times (who is counting), and i told you, in Spanish they sound the same… only kidding.
Belle wrote: "Mae wrote: "And for the record, comments cut and pasted, without the context of the discussion can seem totally different than the actual intention. " your opinion is just stupid and that you shou..."
we are.
Anamika wrote: "due to a few insults and mockery, I'll finish hereI thought I mentioned that.I'll give it a thought if I really have to tell the rest considering your behavior.
I didn't make this thread to defen..."
I am really sorry if you felt I bullied you at any time - it was not intentional on my part. Thank you for coming back to explain your reasons - they still don't make a great deal of sense, but you did as you said you would, so thank you. I'd better not put a little wink of friendship there - Laura doesn't like it.
@Laura and Leslie - have you read Anamika's comment?"You might or might not be bullying me I not sure if you are or aren't but in my opinion you aren't but you really are irritating me sometimes." comment # 1024
Well, I am happy to see that the tone has moved to a more respectful one. Sure, for that I had to be insulted three times, but at least I don't suffer over strangers insulting me. Fortunately for Anamika, neither does she.Joodith wrote: "I'd better not put a little wink of friendship there - Laura doesn't like it"
Oh yes, I hate winking, with a passion. I think winking should be banned from all human conversations and punished by public humiliation in the stocks.
Laura wrote: "Well, I am happy to see that the tone has moved to a more respectful one. Sure, for that I had to be insulted three times, but at least I don't suffer over strangers insulting me. Fortunately for A..."You are somewhat condescending Laura - if I choose to offer an apology to someone I neither seek, nor need, your approval.
In computer language the ;) is seen as a sign of friendship, or tongue in cheek, just as the use of block capitals is seen as shouting. I dislike the wink thing as well, but have used it on this thread to show that I have meant no animosity. Personally, I hate lol, or LOL as you yourself have used, but I don't pull people up about it.
I take it you did read Anamika's comment - perhaps now you'd like to lay this Bullying Obsession to rest.
LOL this is starting to be funny again. I don't hate the wink and I use it myself. Did you also think I would send someone to the stocks? I publicly apologize for including a wink in my quotes. I went back to page 7 and realized that, what I had interpreted as a sarcastic wink was, actually, a friendly one. LOL again. And ;)I think I have the right to be happy about seeing a respectful tone on all parts and I also have the right to say it. I don't need your permission. I think you should relax a little and stop interpreting everything I say as a personal attack. But you are free to carry on, of course. I would also recommend messaging me directly if you want to keep arguing about anything that is not related to Anamika's question, but it is up to you. You know... this thread has lasted long enough.
I guess you will want the last word... feel free. Back to work for me! ;)
Laura wrote: "LOL this is starting to be funny again. I don't hate the wink and I use it myself. Did you also think I would send someone to the stocks? I publicly apologize for including a wink in my quotes. I w..."(I will add description of the tones in which my comment should be read) Just one question Laura, why don't you follow your own suggestions and criticisms? This has been bothering me enough to come back. Over and over, you do what you complain about. Why did you need to chastise one more time. Why didn't you, just message Joodith, why challenge her about having the last word. ( my tone is calmed and quiet all along here). (And now I am going to be sarcastic) Now, Joodith doesn't need to answer and you didn't have the last word. (I am being ridiculous on purpose).
Elizabeth, you are typing EXACTLY what I'm feeling. I think now we should ignore this thread and no longer give her the satisfaction of a response. I am always interested and excited to read opposing points of view. That IS why I read. I just find it irresponsible to publicly post any sort of hate message and if you are going to.... you need to expect to defend your reasons. Oh wait... she didn't HAVE a reason.
lol...Elizabeth, who???
Ugh Belle sorry. Spellchecker is my nemesis at times.. while others times it's my saviour. Lol.
lol. I totally know the falling.
Annika, no I don't think you find many who hate the Diary of Anne Frank. Not sure if you noticed......
*feeling* ughhh. lol. right there. proof.
Anamika wrote: "Like I said,I don't think that you're bullying me and whenever I get insulted,I take it as if you did it unintentionally.So I don't mind much but please try reducing it but.Mae,I don't think I sh..."
Anamika wrote: "Like I said,I don't think that you're bullying me and whenever I get insulted,I take it as if you did it unintentionally.So I don't mind much but please try reducing it but.
Mae,I don't think I sh..." Its okay, I was just agreeing with you.
Wow, a person takes a day off in the sun and when comes back, all hell brakes loose.Laura, if you are out there, reading somewhere this post, the fact that you just cut and copy quotations, leaves them out of context , which was far different from what you made on that long essay.
I am sorry to have offended you with my saying, but all that fired-up discussion about the yet again dead horse of bullying, sorry, but it has started to be too much: everyone was peacefull about the discussion at hand, even the OP, until you and Leslie arrived and really taken the life out of this thread - hope it fits your expectations, now.
About the "patronizing mommy-tone" - one thing i am not is patronizing - again, keyboards are not emotional, they do not transmit what you are saying, with the tone you intented, but maybe it was my mistake, and for that, i feel sorry. We all have different ways of expressing our arguments and emotions, and maybe they will come across as rude, but that, maybe is the difference between people - we are all unique.
As for the "skinhead" comment, i did not saw it and that is really, really serious to admit it in aforum like GR.
To finish, i would take Belle´s comment to the full extent - chiiiiilll.
No, I did not hate it, even at my first reading in the 1960's. I didn't like being required to read it in school. I didn't care for the content as a kid. As I've aged the sweetness seemed to come through more clearly. I found the words more poignant with every reading Knowing she was killed has had an effect on me since I firsts read it.People here are upset by your comment for a variety of reasons. Time to move on.
This whole thread has gone to hell in a hand basket.
hey, don't write it off - this Amanita has *talent*.All s/he did was find a sacred cow (and they don't get any more sacred than Anne Frank) and threaten to blow it away online, and the whole *site* went Cuckoo for Cocoa-Puffs!!
I consider myself to be a professional disruptor, and *I* would NEVER have thought of pulling THAT one off... I am, like, "Impressed". (Or maybe DEpressed at having been friggin Schooled by a PRO... But maybe s/he just swerved into it by accident - I'll comfort myself with that thought.)
Anamika wrote: "Well I see you created a group Mae.I hope Popcorn Anyone does well.I'll send suggestions whenever I get something which might suit the group."Thanks, come by and visit. After all we met at your thread. And, before someone jumps and tries to chop my head. Anamika I am being honest. :) Some people still have problems with you, but I believe in live and let live. I just like, mystery and arguments… both of which you supplied, plenty.
Anamika wrote: "One more time I repeat:I just want to know whether anyone else hates the diary.I understand that Anne Frank has suffered many difficulties and I'm not saying it is lame.Al I want to know is whether..."Well, this is an open discussion. You can't just make such a aggressive statement, with no explanation or substance to your inquiry,and not expect people to question exactly why you disliked the book so very thoroughly-considering hate is so strong a emotion, which cannot truly be justly conjured, without substantial interaction and reason. It's just a fact.
Perhaps if you expanded on why you disliked it,which particular aspects, would be more counterproductive.
As for me, while the pace does get excruciatingly slow at certain points,I still admired and cherished the truth to it. The lack of trial to gloss over and make it more sitcom entertaining. It's a literary work of art for a reason.
Joodith wrote: "Leslie wrote: "Olivia wrote: "I would like to go on record saying that this thread has deeply enlightened me and improved my knowledge of a multitude of subjects. i feel like I know most of you per..."Joodith, I meant to post this before Leslie began tearing us apart. we were having a few intelligent discussions about WW2 and societal assignments. but it appears our bridge always has a troll under it.
Is it possible for a thread be shut down? In all honesty, I think that's what would be best for this one. I feel it's reached it's end. Anamika, I'm sure, has collected an abundance of opinions. And people have commented what they felt needed to be read. Now everything seems to be cooling down. If this thread stays up a wave of new people, those whom were not present for the unfolding of this debate, will come along. They will feel the need to comment and that may cause this whole thing to boil over once more.
whos saying what???
Anamika wrote: "I know people have problems with me Mae.The reason why I didn't join can be speculated."But so you know, that difference can be clarified. We just need to know you. No one has a problem with you that cannot be clarified. some people actually believed that you were not real, and that seems to be the major issue. Also, some people had an issue, with the fact, that they feel, that your explanation about why you hate the book does not really explain. If the trolls had not come in to "defend you", by attacking everyone , you may have been able to answer better. sometimes things get resolved in the process of discussion--intelligent discussion. And I realize that in the beginning you did not have the time because you were studying for your exams.
@ Mae, I don't think anyone defending Anamika was a troll.
Also, and I forgot to say it. I hope you realize ( this has been argued by many on the thread) that some of the anger directed towards you had to do with the hating word. It made the thread look like a troll thread. Many of these horrible responses you got were from people that just trolled in. ( I am using a calm and friendly tone now, and I don't want to sound condescending). Most of the people really wanted to know the "why". The tone of the thread would have been different with a different question, unless of course, you were precisely looking for "violent" reactions, for some sort of research. (again, I am trying to be honest and soft-spoken and I am not challenging you)
Belle wrote: "@ Mae, I don't think anyone defending Anamika was a troll."I don't think you were. You were honestly defending her. And I got it. But you also did not insult, you made your point and voila. You did not attack ( you just reacted like, well, my kids to me). Other people did come in and went on and on, to the point of pinpointing and accusing and judging out of order. Using "fighting words", referring to a mob, and posting things to get a reaction. Or in the alternative, posting things, that a normal reasonable person, would react violently too. (and I mean in writing). That is trolling.
Anamika wrote: "I didn't want a violent reaction though I did expect one.This is a general one:Actually not all people my age hate or dislike this book.I have friends who love the book.So please don't get the id..."
Oh, I have never thought that at all. I actually knew that both, Laura and Leslie did appreciate the book and did not agree with you on that. Belle also, was clear that she liked the book.
She did what she thought was right. She actually was totally correct in her approach. She did not stop asking you to explain and she joined the discussion with other people in the thread. She understood, that the "mob" actually was curious and so was she. there are a lot of fun intelligent people who joined your thread. They may have reacted strongly, but I think Belle figured that out.
I for one thought you were trolling, Anamika. I thought this was not your honest opinion, but you were trying to get a rise out of everyone.But I would love for you to join our group. We have a little section, where everyone can say a few words about themselves - and their favorite Downton Abbey characters :) -. I feel like I know the other group members better now. And it's fun communicating with people, who have different backgrounds and experiences.
Anamika wrote: "Fun?Yeah probably."Yes fun, the whole popcorn thing, was not an insult to you. It was the waiting, and reading all the strange comments coming in from everywhere. You yourself asked for popcorn at one time. For a minute there I thought you were going to join the discussion of your own thread.
I'm sorry to hear that you did not enjoy this thread; and now that I am convinced that you are not a troll, I'm sorry for thinking that you were.But I hope you know that I do not dislike (for lack of a better word -especially an English one-) you for your opinion or for starting this thread. I think it is brave to state an unpopular opinion. I am sure you knew that many people love this book.
So Kudos for starting this and sticking with it. You could have quit and did not. That takes courage.
Anamika wrote: "Daniel wrote: "I for one thought you were trolling, Anamika. I thought this was not your honest opinion, but you were trying to get a rise out of everyone.But I would love for you to join our grou..."
I felt that, which is why I asked you to talk to an adult you trusted. But I thought you understood the popcorn thing. Particularly when you asked for some. You said something like,"I could have some of that popcorn myself" (I don't want to scroll to find it.) I don't think you are a troll. I think you did not understand the reaction you would got for the question you asked. I am sure you read it many times in this thread. A troll (can be a person or a question) is a comment or question that elicits anger or a violent reaction. You wanted simply to find out who else agreed with you. But unfortunately, it does not work this way in a public forum. Your question in its form was a troll. Little by little I have figured out that the person talking to me is not one. You could be taking me for a ride… I hope not. (I am saying this honestly)
Totally agree with Daniel.
yeah, i agree. I never thought Anamika was a troll, and even though I did not see eye to eye with her, I have tried to defend her against people who were being rude. So yeah, good job Anamika for standing up for your opinion against the majority.
Anamika, like Mae, Daniel and Belle have said previously you were very brave to face all that could have come - and did - from the frasing of the thread. I will tip my hat to you and say you have stood and faced all that was thrown at you. I have participated in a similar shall we say "controversial" thread, where the OP just splurted out his/ her ideas and vanished from the face of the Earth, not bothering to come in a 2nd time, to explain better why her dislike of that particular book.I really thought that you were going to enter the discussion at that point when you said that you wanted some popcorn, also - i guess i was wrong. But we were having some lively and very inteligent discussions, around the topic at thand, trying to decipher who you were, what could possibly you motivations would be, but it was all good between us: we ageed, disagreed with each other and finnaly came together as a very well rounded group of people who like discuss, with some good humour on the side - life is too short, so why not a good laugh? - matters, and opinions, and books and whatever comes our way. I too, would like for you to try our group - i think that if you start to know us better, you will see that we were not ganguing up on you, just very curious at the whole matter.
Anamika wrote: "But if I did turn away,you'll think I'm a stupid wimp or something.Besides,I don't see any problem in explaining to others.Well I did ask for permission.Since it's a private group,I'll have to wa..."
Exactly that! You started the discussion and stuck around to see what was to become of it, and intervened, showed your presence. And that is what a OP should always do.
Does anyone know how to leave this thread....
Thanks new to goodreads and couldn't work it out. X
Hmmm - I still have my doubts as to who this Anamika really is. There's this whole use of language and sentence structure thing going on. We STILL don't know exactly what this "research" is all about - and the question about whether anyone else hates this diary is still being asked by her! She says she wants to know before she "takes certain steps". What's that all about?In that same message (1083) she also says: "I couldn't help seeing new comments and commenting back.That's my nature.I can't just run away like that." But she actually stayed silent for so long, NOT commenting on the various issues raised.
I'm still not convinced.
Anamika wrote: "I didn't comment until then because I wasn't on the PC.Will 'BOOKS' be enough as the topic of my research?
I was planning to give it another try or something(honestly,I haven't decided)"
You say you didn't comment because you weren't on a PC, but you did comment often enough to have provided the answer everyone was waiting for.
No, "BOOKS" is too wide a topic to research- think of all the genres there are! It would make more sense to narrow it down.
Very little of what you write makes sense to me, and I think you're just popping in and out of here in an attempt to keep this thread going. Maybe that's what you're really up to - trying to see just how long this thread will go on and how many message you get. Because nothing else is being contributed - this is one of the reasons I doubt your legitimacy.
Whoa....this discussion is still going on. And Anamika, you're still participating in it? Wow, you've got a lot of patience. lol.
Jeez.. this thread has gone on for 22 pages??? I was happily browsing when I suddenly saw this discussion and got intrigued. At one point it was hilarious, and then it started getting really boring.. Has Anamika (the name by the way means.. one who doesn't have a name in Sanskrit) given a reason for not liking the book or is she without reason either like her name!
Haha, what a ridiculous thread.
Anamika wrote: "Sorry but it wasn't exams.So how are you suggesting that I clarify the problems others have?"
You're doing just fine. Their problems have become abundantly clear.
I think you have all been trolled by this Anamika. Posts are purposely vague and leading, always refusing to supply reasons. Poster wants to appear to be young girl, but then tone and vocabulary change to sound more like that of an adult. Not sure what this person was after, but a true discussion of Anne Frank or her diary was not the goal. Gotta love the internet!!
Indrajit wrote: "Jeez.. this thread has gone on for 22 pages??? I was happily browsing when I suddenly saw this discussion and got intrigued. At one point it was hilarious, and then it started getting really boring..."C'mon Indrajit - have you read the thread or not? If you have, as you've indicated, then you'll see the reasons given. If you haven't, then I'd start at the beginning and work your way right through - Anamika's answer is in there somewhere.
And yes, it's easy to find the meaning of anyone's name on Google; I've thought "Anamika" was appropriate right from the start.
Trixie wrote: "If you have, as you've indicated, then you'll see the reasons given"And what were they? I'm slightly curious, but not curious enough to read through 22 pages long "discussion".
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sorry for being rude to you, but im glad that we're now on the same page :)