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Paranormality: Just some paranoia or something more ?
Ooh, interesting topic!idk, I do believe in Jinns. I cant say I have experienced anything myself but because we have a variety of so many species here, I include jinns in them too.
As for the "real" experiences we see on TV, I don't believe in them and think they are completely absurd. I also think a lot of the "being possessed" stories are actually mental issues.
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Mahnoor wrote: "As for the "real" experiences we see on TV, I don't believe in them and think they are completely absurd. I also think a lot of the "being possessed" stories are actually mental issues"Is that just an educated guess on your part ? or you just have some sound reason to believe otherwise ?
any experience you yourself ever had or anyone you know well ever had ?
Mahnoor wrote: "Ooh, interesting topic!idk, I do believe in Jinns. I cant say I have experienced anything myself but because we have a variety of so many species here, I include jinns in them too.
As for the "re..."
btw, those morning tv shows that used to show jinn exorcism made jinns look comical. Idk for sure if there are jinns or not but if they are, they must be very angry at those morning show peoples :D
Shahzaib wrote: "Mahnoor wrote: "Ooh, interesting topic!idk, I do believe in Jinns. I cant say I have experienced anything myself but because we have a variety of so many species here, I include jinns in them too...."
Hmm, not that educated I guess :P I did read cases about MPD and some of the symptoms shown by the patients (like voice changing, super strength, aggressive behavior) were similar to those shown by people who say they have been possessed so...
haha, exactly! I mean the shows are just plain ridiculous! I would possess THEM for real if I was paranormal! :D
@Mahnoor, i think that's educated enough :Pi have witnessed a few paranormal activities(not the movies :P).
Once my mother hired a maid for household chores . The maid came from some village and used to live in our house. She used to wear lots of "taveez"(talismans)and used to say that she was once possessed by a jinn, but was alright now. One night less than a month after she came, she became super angry for no apparent reason and sat on a sofa, not answering anyone talking to her. My elder sister said something about how she was faking it. Next thing i saw was the maid choking my sister with her hands. we had an aunty in the next room whom we called for help. She pulled the maid off my sister and the next thing i know the poor aunty is being choked :D
Eventually me and my sister rammed the maid down and fled the room (with our aunty). later our parents came home and fired the maid.
We never knew whether the maid was faking it or was it something real but the maid did almost choked a woman twice her age (our aunty). And also she was very hard to put down, she endured numerous punches and kicks to the gut from me and my sister before going down.
Haha! Glad!OH MY, that must have been so scary! I would have been scared to death :D Didnt you guys find out what happened to her after that?
Mahnoor wrote: "Didnt you guys find out what happened to her after that?"No, never even tried to find out.
Let me share my story. Where I grew up believing in ghost/paranormal wasn't an option. Few of my relatives claim to have harnessed jinns and converse with them (They are an embarrassment). Oh and people believed in them, they'd come to them and any one of my relative would summon the spirit/jinn , then the person would explain their problems (which was ironic, shouldn't the jinn already know the problem) and the jinn would give an arbitrary response which to people made sense. Normally they spoke in gestures but there were a few jinns who wouldn't mind speaking a sentence or two. One said that he'd come from Habsha (Which is Ethiopia right?) and spoke Urdu (Fascinating) Seeing a ghost (girl in a red dress :D), being possessed by some evil entity all sounds too Ram Gopal Varma to be honest, but it's an interesting topic for researches and psychologists and there are good number of books written on it . I suggest giving Richard Wiseman's Paranormality: Why we see what isn't there a read.
Quran acknowledges the existence of jinns but no where does it mention their ability to posses people least of all their ability to choke and kill people. Do correct me if am wrong . :)
I do believe in jinns as i know that it is mentioned in the holy quran.
Abbas wrote: "Let me share my story. Where I grew up believing in ghost/paranormal wasn't an option. Few of my relatives claim to have harnessed jinns and converse with them (They are an embarrassment). Oh and p..."If you don't mind me asking, can you tell us where you grew up ?
Your story is like Deja-vu to me. My relatives also used to deal with these "demonic forces" :D
So, a few cousins of mine had made a board with the 26 alphabets of English written on it. They used to place a glass upside down on the table and used to summon a jinn into the glass by some magic stuff which included turning the lights off and making a formation of lit candles around the board =D. My cousins used to ask the jinn questions which the jinn responded by moving the glass on the board to the desired alphabet. Para-Likha Jinn :D
My cousins say that once they asked the Jinn that what was the name of the girl that my father's brother will marry.(he was a bachelor at that time). The jinn moved the glass to the alphabet "K". After sometime my uncle got married to girl named.......drum-roll........"Kausar"
Haha, my siblings and my cousins once tried to summon a spirit. They all ran out when the windows started banging and stuff. :D
Mahnoor wrote: "Haha, my siblings and my cousins once tried to summon a spirit. They all ran out when the windows started banging and stuff. :D"let me guess, someone was banging the windows ?
No idea. it will prolly the wind or something.
Mahnoor wrote: "No idea. it will prolly the wind or something."imagine what would have happened if you guys had seen a person banging on the window :D
I would freak out and believe that it is a zombie invasion :-P
@arbaaz, what a coincidence that would be, summoning a spirit and getting a zombie invasion instead.
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There are mentioned in Quran and i know they exist but not in the way people imagine.
Abaas: Your story was very interesting and a very common practise today. :) I have seen people and met people who claim to believe in such people who have a jinn captured in their RINGS (Imagine that);p
Maira wrote: "I have no particular story to relate to but i don't believe in Jinns and their caning ability to solve our problems. There are mentioned in Quran and i know they exist but not in the way people im..."
Do those people call their ring, their "Precious" ?
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kinda sad nai that people have turned spirits into bonded labors, captured in rings. Work being outsourced to jinns xD
Abbas wrote: "kinda sad nai that people have turned spirits into bonded labors, captured in rings "Sad ? yeah, if your a spirit. Not if you're the boss.
Btw, isn't there a similar legend about king Solomon's ring, i have heard numerous folklores :) about the ring, the wearer of which makes him the master of all the jinns. No wonder how people these days come up with such claims.on another note, i wonder if tolkien got the idea for the ring part from king Solomon's legend.
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these legends and myths are the base of all of these claims of capturing jinns.
Yup, and really? I didn't knew king solomon (hazrat suleman al e salam) used to wear a ring. I just confirmed it from my brother and he told me the name of the ring (mohr e sulemani).I don't know if this is a folklore or is it written in the holy quran or not.
@Arbaaz, "mohr e sulemani" refers to the "Seal of Solomon", the symbol supposedly etched on the ring, which in turn is a legend in itself. If anyone here has watched the Supernatural series, you must have seen the seal of Solomon, the pentagram used to trap demons throughout the series.
these stories are called myths for a reason. No one knows for sure how authentic they are, Though there are scores of books written which are a sort of compilation of these stories which claim that their sources are authentic. I have read a few pages of one such book called "Qasa-Ul-Ambia", literally "Tales of the Prophets"
Yeah, but i only will believe it if it is related to the holy quran and if it is not i surely won't like this myth because it is not good to change the stories of our prophets like this.I know you said it above not to involve religion but this is my belief.
@Shahzaib Haha, I would rather not! Hey, Qasas-ul-Ambiya is a pretty legit book, no?
Arbaaz wrote: "Yeah, but i only will believe it if it is related to the holy quran and if it is not i surely won't like this myth because it is not good to change the stories of our prophets like this.I know yo..."
Everyone has the right to like what he/she likes to like :P
Mahnoor wrote: "@Shahzaib Haha, I would rather not! Hey, Qasas-ul-Ambiya is a pretty legit book, no?"
Have you read or heard about it ?
I don't know whether it's legit or not, but i for one didn't took the content of the book seriously.
It's not that legit a book, in many circles of scholars. The main reason being it draws a lot of content from Jewish and Christian traditions, stuff we find neither I'm Quran nor in Hadith. I believe in Jinn as a Muslim but yeah, i agree with the opinion that we've associated powers and abilities with them that's not part of Quranic teachings. Same goes for Kala Jadu :-)
Shehzad wrote: "It's not that legit a book, in many circles of scholars. The main reason being it draws a lot of content from Jewish and Christian traditions, stuff we find neither I'm Quran nor in Hadith. I bel..."
I don't know if it's derived from Judaism or Christianity. but it did mention a very troublesome idea of the world being on the top of horns of some bull and there being a mosquito in the bull's nose (seriously) and with quite detail as to the distance between two horns is some months distance....so on.
it made the idea of a infinite succession of turtles sound reasonable :D
so your saying that you don't believe in KALA JADU ?
Russell should've thought of that han :-) I didn't say i don't believe in it, but do you seriously think it's as prevalent and omniscient as Bengali Babas would have believe?
it's time for me to share another instance of Paranormality from my life.(And yeah, apparently my life is full of them :D)I am a realistic, no bullshit kind of a person and science guy. But something happened in my house that, i am not afraid to admit, i am unable to explain or really comprehend
like a couple of years ago, I noticed there was something odd with my dad, he being more religious than usual, he was praying 5 times and was doing a lot of zikir on tazbee. and after a few days i noticed another very peculiar thing. All kind of glassware in the house was either breaking and shattering for no apparent reason. All of my family noticed that something was very off, everyday glasses n tea cups were either cracking or all together shattering to pieces. Decorative pieces of glass in the drawing room we shattering with no one going even close to them. Three big ass mirrors mounted on walls (my mom likes those) were broken from the corners. And then more than half of the fish we had in an aquarium died in a single night. My Dad took the sign and stopped the prolonged zikar he was doing and everything went back to normal.
My dad told us that he was doing some verses which a peer baba told him to do and the repetition of those verses attracts the attention jinns around us. the jinns were kind of attending the zikar, in a kind of a mehfil or gathering. The presence of such creatures in numbers were causing the disturbance in our house.
I didn't really understood what he said but i experienced something that if i have heard from someone else, i would have not believed and would have written it off as superstition.
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he was a very very religious person and he wrote a letter to jama e ashrafia ma Maulana ashraful thanvi ko likha... ( sorry for the wrong speelings of the name) he was a friend of my grand father. the maulana replied that u should stop praying so much it was not good for ur health and ur family.
My great grand mother was very religious. She used to see such paranormal things too but she said they never meant any harm.
I do believe in Jinns. As they are mentioned in the Koran and there is a specific Surah i.e Surah Jinn. And who gives a shit to Pakistani morning shows?
Haven't witnessed it yet! but I do believe in it .
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Maira wrote: "shazaib something like that once happened with my mom's father once....he was a very very religious person and he wrote a letter to jama e ashrafia ma Maulana ashraful thanvi ko likha... ( sorry f..."
no worries, i didn't even read it, the name that is :D
Asmara wrote: "I do believe in Jinns. As they are mentioned in the Koran and there is a specific Surah i.e Surah Jinn. And who gives a shit to Pakistani morning shows?"apparently a good portion of the population or otherwise they won't be so popular :D
on another note, I have seem many people using Jinn as an alternative to Bogeyman to scare children into right behaviour. What do you guys think about this practice ?
But what does the "Pari-Likhi Awaam" (educated people) of Pakistan thinks about these unexplained phenomena, are these just Superstition of the old folk, just some paranoia or something more ?
P.S: This is more of a discussion than a debate, everyone is encouraged to participate in the discussion with their opinions.