COS: Part 5 (Chapters 24-31)

[Bill]

Part 5

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[Sumant]

Moghidien gets herself trapped in the hands of Moridin who is posing as Halima in Salidar. He is also known by Arangar. He is also using a new power called as true power which comes directly from the dark one.

Shaidar Haran also has got huge power in terms of him only being a Fade.

Amadicia falls to Senachan and it seems that Morgese just cannot have a break from all the bad luck she is suffering. She renounces her throne and so now Elayne can now be officially queen of Andor. Balwar who is actually the master of spies of the children of light rescues her.

Rand & Perrin trick the court by having a quarrel but in fact it is actually a ruse and Perrin now is heading to Gheladan to rein the prophet of dragon aka Maesema.

Tylin gives Mat a hard time and starves him so that he can fall in her trap.

The most confusing so far for me in this book has been the circle of women, there are also Aes Sedai who are protecting that circle which I think are from the tower. We also come to know why the kin are such a heavily guarded secret for the Aes Sedai, it is due to the fact that they help Aes Sedai catch accepted or the wilders who run away from the tower.

Also Elayne gets a note from Jaichim Carridin was another incident which confused me, how did he come to know where exactly she was ?. she also loses her temper and shows the tower Aes Sedai who the boss is.

Moghidien is back in Ebo Dar, seems like she is on a mission given to her by Moridin, and she sees Nyaneve on the boat she tries to destroy the boat by Balefire. But Nyaneve is rescued by Lan. She first hugs him and then slaps him typical!

[Rob, Mayor of Ghost Town]

The bickering of the Aes Sedai is getting tired. I was glad when Elayne finally stood up to them, but I find her just as annoying at times.

The turnabout with the Queen and Katie both interesting and creepy. It seems to be 'ok' when men in power do it, but I find it creepy. Then again Mat would probably be more willing if she wasn't the Queen.

Lan has finally reunited with Nyaneve. She basically demands he marry her. She also seems to finally have broken through her block after nearly is killed. I think this is a big turning point for her character.

[Bill]

Elayne hit the jackpot with the Kin. It seems like the leader also has a talent that the Aes Sedai lack in prolonging her life for over 400 years.

Mat and the Queen is funny because she swaps the role on him. He has been chasing women for the last few books and then hates being the chased. She was a little forceful but I didn't find it too creepy.

I like that Nynaeve surrendering completely was the key to unlocking her block. Due to her character it isn't something she would never have done without the situation she was in.

Is Moridin actually Arangar? I thought he wasn't a forsaken and was the one who called himself The Watcher when following Samael and Graendel. Is Arangar Lanfear reborn or am I confusing forsaken now?

[Rob, Mayor of Ghost Town]

I can't keep straight which forsaken is which reborn. It's doubly hard because I don't recall when we find out who is really who either. I feel like so far we only know that some of them were brought back and one of them wasn't happy about the body they were given. But maybe more has been revealed than that?

[Bill]

I think that is the extent of it also but I think maybe Sumant had some speculation about identities.

[Sumant]

Bill wrote: "I think that is the extent of it also but I think maybe Sumant had some speculation about identities."

I think the reborn are definitely Asmodean & Lanfear.

Also then it will make the forsaken with Egwene's coterie to be Asmodean who is pretending to be a female Halima.

[Bill]

Interesting. So you think Asmodean was killed when he disappeared from Rand's camp?

On a side note Michael Kramer does the worst voice for Elayne. It doesn't match Kate Reading's voice at all and doesn't fit with any of the other voices in the series.

[Sumant]

Bill wrote: "Interesting. So you think Asmodean was killed when he disappeared from Rand's camp?

On a side note Michael Kramer does the worst voice for Elayne. It doesn't match Kate Reading's voice at all and ..."

Ya he was killed by an forsaken, but that's another mystery isn't it.

[Bill]

Ah ok. I'm interested to see how cleanly it is all wrapped up. Know we are only halfway through the series but I feel like there is going to be a lot of unanswered questions.

[Rob, Mayor of Ghost Town]

I definitely had questions when the series was over. I wonder if Jordan hadn't died if we'd have some of those answer. Of course I looked up a few things and apparently there is enough evidence/hints to explain some stuff I was wondering about, but I either missed it, or didn't put the clues together.

I'm going to recuse from the conversation about who is which forsaken reborn and what happened to Asmodean though.

I dont recall Kramer's voice for Elayne. Or Kate Reading's for that matter. When I met them a few years ago, she jokingly complained that his voice for Loial was too good, but impossible for her to duplicate. I guess he didn't bother listening to her voices for the girls.

I generally have trouble with narrators doing voices for characters of the opposite gender though. So maybe I just to ignore how bad they are at this point.