Authors with Dates

[Redangel333]

Moving onto the next years here are the ones I could not solve:
1495?-1556 Fuzul
Khlid Ibn Abd Allh D 1499 Azhar
Usayn VI D 1504 or 5 Kshif
Abd Al-Rahman 1504-1569 Majdhub

I stopped at 1517

[Khadijah]

Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "Khadijah wrote: "I updated the book details based on the Amazon pages I found. It originally had an ASIN, but since I could only confirm a hardcover version, I switched to ISBN."

We do not ever ch..."

Thank you very much for the reminder.

I have a question about authors with initials. I've seen some with initials that use their full name in other books. According to the below thread discussion, I should use the name on the book's cover as the main author (i.e. J. Marshall), and then add their other name as a secondary author (John Marshall). Am I understanding correctly?

https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

[Redangel333]

Khadijah wrote "I have a question about authors with initials. I've seen some with initials that use their full name in other books."

Are you refering to an author with a date in the middle? Because your example does not look like the issues that are handled in this thread. They (authors with dates in the middle of the name) usually have a profile that you could merge them to. I would recommend searching that authors name and variants to check for an already existing profile.

[Redangel333]

Ismail wrote: "I checked this author more than one time 'Al D 1910 Vaf but I didn't find any thing
His first name is Ali, that is the only thing I can say"

'Al D 1910 Vaf

the only thing I was able to identify was this book in archive.org:
Bria
It matches the book that seems to be in the Goodreads database, but I could not read the pages to identify the author Vaf.

[Ismail]

Redangel333 wrote: "Ismail wrote: "I checked this author more than one time 'Al D 1910 Vaf but I didn't find any thing
His first name is Ali, that is the only thing I can say"

'Al D 1910 Vaf

the on..."

Thanks, that could be helpful
This name is Persian not Arabic so it is more difficult
but I'll try again

[Redangel333]

I understand that this is quite tricky as Persian is different than Arabic. If it is unsolveable I could open a seperate thread in the Book Issues corner to ask for help.

I spotted a different variant from the date in the name issue, maybe others have seen this as well. Sometimes there is no full date in the name but something like 4th century or something alike.
Example: https://www.goodreads.com/search?utf8...

I deal with them if I spot them going upwards in the years, but just wanted to mention it if someone wants to take them century by century.

[Khadijah]

Redangel333 wrote: "Khadijah wrote "I have a question about authors with initials. I've seen some with initials that use their full name in other books."

Are you refering to an author with a date in the middle? Becau..."

Yes, sorry for not including the current name:

J 1845-1915 Marshall

There appears to be an author profile named J. Marshall, but it's a different author. To fix this author's name that has a date, would you use John Marshall (selecting the correct profile for this particular author), or J. Marshall (with a separate author profile), or both?

I understood from the discussion thread on the Librarian Manual's interpretation in this case is to have J. Marshall as primary author, then add John Marshall as well.

I searched for 1915, but wanted to double check before I work on this date.

[Ismail]

Redangel333 wrote: "I understand that this is quite tricky as Persian is different than Arabic. If it is unsolveable I could open a seperate thread in the Book Issues corner to ask for help.

I spotted a different va..."

If I failed again I'll inform you here, but anyway it's OK if you want to start a new thread now, may be somebody can help.
Also I still can not solve this one
Usayn VI D 1504 or 5 Kshif
I think he is Persian also.

[Redangel333]

Khadijah wrote: "Redangel333 wrote: "Khadijah wrote "I have a question about authors with initials. I've seen some with initials that use their full name in other books."

Are you refering to an author with a date ..."

I think the passage you linked to refers only to Pen names or alternative names that were used in publishing. In the case you mentioned I would use John Marshall, but you need to be careful as there is already a John Marshall in the database. You would need to use the spaces ^^ to distinguish between the different Johns. This is explained in the manual as well.

If you click on edit data in the profile of John Marshall you see a yellow box on top where another librarian already sorted out how many spaces are needed to reach a certain John. I think you want to reach https://www.goodreads.com/author/show... with the J 1845-1915 Marshall you want to edit, and you would need ten spaces for that.

[Redangel333]

Ismail wrote: "Redangel333 wrote: "I understand that this is quite tricky as Persian is different than Arabic. If it is unsolveable I could open a seperate thread in the Book Issues corner to ask for help.

I sp..."

Thread for Persian or Farsi related issues

I tried to include everything that was not solved in this thread and posted it in translation issues as the thread for the Indian name that could not solved is already there as well.

[Redangel333]

I did not realize that the ones in #102 are mostly solved, thanks a lot for that.

I moved onwards and came across something that I could not solve, maybe someone has an idea about this one:
Ad 1531-1558 Zurich Letters
Not sure if this is a publisher or something, I did not find anything about it.
Statutes Etc Russia Laws 1533-1584 this one is strange as well, found no solution to it.


I came across some Arabic looking names I could not solve as well:
Muammad Ibn Abd Allh 1532 or Timirtsh
Muammad Ibn Al Ca 1616-1677 Dur Akaf
Muammad Amn Ibn Umar 1783 or Ibn Bidn

I stopped at 1535

[Ismail]

Redangel333 wrote: "I did not realize that the ones in #102 are mostly solved, thanks a lot for that.

I moved onwards and came across something that I could not solve, maybe someone has an idea about this one:
[aut..."

Actually these names were in the last form but I didn't post them because I was still want to combined some books, and pair the profiles with the Arabic profiles, and now they are done:

[]
Khalid Ibn Abdullah Al-Azhari
Abd Al-Rahman Al-Majthub
Fuzûlî

[Khadijah]

Redangel333 wrote: "Khadijah wrote: "Redangel333 wrote: "Khadijah wrote "I have a question about authors with initials. I've seen some with initials that use their full name in other books."

Are you refering to an au..."

Thank you for your help!

Based on the information in the profile, John Marshall possibly is the same as J 1845-1915 Marshall except they have different birth dates. The first is 1877 and the second is 1845.

[Redangel333]

Khadijah wrote: "Based on the information in the profile, John Marshall possibly is the same as J 1845-1915 Marshall except they have different birth dates. The first is 1877 and the second is 1845."

That would require some research from you then to figure out if they are actually the same or not. That is the reason why this project sometimes takes some time, it is not just removing the dates, but also finding out if there is already an author in the database that needs to be merged.
If that one seems to much to handle, just skip it and leave it for someone else. There are plenty more to go, and I think there might be easier ones to start with. For example uncommon names like Adolf 1861-1915 Guttmacher might be an easier one to start with.

[Ismail]

Redangel333 wrote: "I did not realize that the ones in #102 are mostly solved, thanks a lot for that.

I moved onwards and came across something that I could not solve, maybe someone has an idea about this one:
[aut..."

These were really hard:
[]
Muhammad Ibn Abdullah Al-Ghazzi Al-Timirtashi
Muhammad Ibn Ali Al-Hasfaki
Muhammad Amin Ibn Umar Ibn Abedin

[Redangel333]

Great that you were able to solve them.

Sometimes there are really tricky ones, I keep seeing names where a part of the title of the book, or a location is mixed in as well.


I slowed down due to a series of tricky books, now I stopped at 1542 which is tricky due to the queens and kings being an author.

[Redangel333]

Moving onwards I came across a profile I could not solve: Sharaf Khn B 1543 Bidls

[Ismail]

Redangel333 wrote: "Great that you were able to solve them.

Sometimes there are really tricky ones, I keep seeing names where a part of the title of the book, or a location is mixed in as well.


I slowed down due ..."

Redangel333 wrote: "Moving onwards I came across a profile I could not solve: Sharaf Khn B 1543 Bidls"

Sharaf Khan Bedlisi
A Kurdish prince

Sometimes the author's name is tricky, and you find the solution in the book name, and sometimes vice versa
But the problem when both are not clear

[Redangel333]

True, sometimes they are quite tricky. It feels like there are less problems now with books I can not solve. Only two authors, and I reached the year 1551 now.

Muammad Ibn Najm Al-Dn 1549 or 50 Hill
1551-1602 Ab Al-Fazl Ibn Mubrak

[Ismail]

Muhammad Ibn Najm Ad-Din Al-Hilali
Abu'l-Fazl Ibn Mubarak

[Redangel333]

Slowed down due to Christmas, still in the year 1552, but there are some that I was not able to solve:
Asan Ibn Zayn Al-Dn 1552-1602 Mil

1552-1553

[Ismail]

Redangel333 wrote: "Slowed down due to Christmas, still in the year 1552, but there are some that I was not able to solve:
Asan Ibn Zayn Al-Dn 1552-1602 Mil1552-1553"

This is done
Hasan Ibn Zayn Ad-Din Al-'Ameli

The other one I can not help with

[Redangel333]

Making some progress till 1558 and here are the tricky ones again:

Fl 1554 Jawhar
Muammad 1555 or 6-1590 or 91 'Urf Shrz

these ones might be even more tricky, not sure what to do with them
Netherlands (Before 1581)
Netherlands (Kingdom) 1815- Staten-Gener

[Arenda]

Redangel333 wrote: "these ones might be even more tricky, not sure what to do with them

Netherlands (Kingdom) 1815- Staten-Gener "

Found a real author for this book in the Dutch Royal Library: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show...
"Staten Generaal" is part of the (sub)title, "Netherlands" is not even present in the title page.

Similar for "Netherlands (Before 1581)", also not a real author. Found the actual author: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show...

[Ken]

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3...

https://www.goodreads.com/author/show...

[Arenda]

#126 done

[Ken]

Posting from my phone, and it’s tricky to post links from it. But if you do an author search for 2001, you get a bunch of results. I came across this and posted about it in my huge thread for combining books.

The actual author 2001 only has 1 book still attributes to him but that date is in the middle of a bunch of author names.

Great thread this has been much needed.

Publishers as authors is probably another thing to work on. I’ve seen a few of those lately.

[Ken]

another author that can be fixed.

Thanks!
https://www.goodreads.com/search?q=Ed...

[Abcdarian]

Ken wrote: "another author that can be fixed.

Thanks!
https://www.goodreads.com/search?q=Ed..."

Done.

[Ken]

Same author, no date, but presumably the same merge action required:

https://www.goodreads.com/author/show...

Thanks ABC

[Abcdarian]

Ken wrote: "Same author, no date, but presumably the same merge action required:

https://www.goodreads.com/author/show...

Thanks ABC"

Merged & combined. Also gave him a write-up.

[Redangel333]

Arenda thanks for solving the Netherland ones. Great work.

From my post these two still need some work:
Fl 1554 Jawhar
Muammad 1555 or 6-1590 or 91 'Urf Shrz

I moved onwards and am now working on 1560

[Ismail]

Redangel333 wrote: "Arenda thanks for solving the Netherland ones. Great work.

From my post these two still need some work:
Fl 1554 Jawhar
Muammad 1555 or 6-1590 or 91 'Urf Shrz
..."

Fl 1554 Jawhar was merged with another profile with the name
Fl Jawhar
according to some references, this author is a Persian author and his name is Jawhar, or Jouhar like in this book
https://books.google.jo/books?id=p7kW...

I couldn't know what do the letters (Fl) refer to, but they are on the cover.

The other one
Muhammad 'Urfi Shirazi

[Redangel333]

I saw Fl in several other profiles as well, could be the abbreveation for flourished I think.

Thanks for clearing the names.

[Ismail]

Redangel333 wrote: "I saw Fl in several other profiles as well, could be the abbreveation for flourished I think.

Thanks for clearing the names."

Anytime!
I also think that the letters are not part of the name, but don't know them

[Redangel333]

Almost cleared the Shakespeare year 1564

[Redangel333]

Moved on a few years, now in 1571

[Redangel333]

Quite a pause, moved on to the next year, now in 1572

[Redangel333]

Found a few that I could not solve due to them beeing arabic language:
&#1583. &#1605&#1581&#1605&#1583 زياني

&#1583. &#1571&#1610&#1605&#1606 أرمانيوس

&#1583. &#1593&#1575&#1591&#1601 أحريز

&#1583. &#1605&#1581&#1605&#1583 &#1576&#1606 &#1583&#1604 القحطاني

[Ismail]

Redangel333 wrote: "Found a few that I could not solve due to them beeing arabic language:
..."

All are done


محمد زياني

أيمن أرمانيوس

عاطف حريز

محمد بن دليم القحطاني