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message 1: by Jemima (last edited Jun 02, 2016 02:09AM) (new)

Jemima Pett | 1492 comments Mod
Okay, folks, we have a problem which I should have spotted earlier.

We had an exceptionally large number of votes this month, but the winner The Book Thief by Marcus Zusak, with 26.4% of the vote, Is NOT LISTED AS AN MG BOOK.

I read this last year, in an adult bookclub, but I'm never too sure where books fit in the adult-child continuum. I should have checked this earlier - but there is no listing of it for MG or children in the Goodreads tags.

Rebecca did raise a concern about it in the nomination thread. So,
I need a decision, folks - should this be disallowed as a BOTM for MG readers?

While we're deciding this (please post your decision below - yes to allow it, no to reject it) please vote again for the BOTM for June, which is open till June 7th.

Sorry about this.


message 2: by M.G. (last edited Jun 01, 2016 07:19AM) (new)

M.G. King (mgking) | 727 comments I read The Book Thief a couple years ago -- it's a very good book, but I would definitely peg it for a teen/adult audience. Death is the narrator of this story about Nazi Germany, and as you might expect, there are some intense scenes that might be too much for younger or more sensitive kids. Also, the writing is fairly complex and sophisticated.


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Jemima Pett | 1492 comments Mod
Ellie wrote: "reply to someone."

If you're using the main site (online) click 'reply' to their post on a thread, and you'll get the italics at the start of this. If you're using the App it might not sure up, I don't know - but don't press 'enter' until you've finished your message - it'll wrap the text for you :)


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Ana Salote | 36 comments Interesting question. I think it's great for MG readers to be challenged by complex and sophisticated writing. I was reading Dickens and Jane Eyre at that age, and I write for gifted MG myself. However, I was surprised to see it on the list as I had thought of it as an adult novel. I would love to know how many younger readers have read this and what they made of it. (Slides over to reviews to check it out.)


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Jemima Pett | 1492 comments Mod
I have also removed Bone Jack for the same reason - not listed as Childrens or MG.


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Dianna Winget | 6 comments I tried reading The Book Thief and didn't make it past the first chapter. Too heavy and depressing. I would definitely not recommend to 8-12 year olds.


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Susan Count | 21 comments OH NO! I hang my head in shame. I thought I'd remembered it on the Choice Awards list for MG. I didn't realize the topic and from the comments above I wouldn't have made it past the first chapter either. Apologies for messing up the vote.


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Justine Laismith (justinelaismith) | 348 comments How interesting. In my local library, The Book Thief can be found on both Teenage (11-14yrs) section as well as general adult. I even wondered if it was like I am Malala, having both an adult and junior version. But both have arrive for me and they are the same. Bone Jack is also in the children's section.


message 11: by Cheryl (new)

Cheryl (cherylllr) I have noticed that our BotM have skewed a bit, erm, challenging, and I'm glad we're trying to keep the focus on books that can be read by younger children. Thank you for re-running the poll.

Sure, there are 12 yo's that read adult books, but that's not the point. Let's focus on books for 'average' readers ages 8-12 or so. Teen and YA are different, and there are other groups for them.

(After all, by definition, Teen is 13+, and YA, well, we know that's a failed designation because 13 is definitely not an adult, not even a young adult. But let's keep this group for *children's* books. Use the designation 'Tween, if it helps. The age group between pre-schoolers and puberty.)


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Jemima Pett | 1492 comments Mod
I'd be interested in response from people who voted for it (although I don't know who, and I've wiped all the names anyway!).

But I'm relieved at your support for the aim to keep it to a recognised MG book. Thanks.


message 13: by Cheryl (new)

Cheryl (cherylllr) I might have voted for Bone Jack, actually... don't remember....


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Jim Westcott (jimwestcott) | 25 comments Middle Grade encompasses books that are closer to chapter books ranging to complex novels with layered plots and deeper themes. There is quite a range. I think the Book Thief can be a MG novel, however, I think it is closer YA


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Rebecca Douglass (rdouglass) | 1680 comments Mod
Just to throw in another point...I just did a search in my library catalog for Bone Jack, to see where it is shelved, and it's not there. Nor is it in the King County libraries--one of the largest systems in the country. So that alone would have to disqualify it, and I apologize for not doing my due diligence before the vote came up!


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Jemima Pett | 1492 comments Mod
My understanding is the general age range of middle grade is 9 to 12 years old. That's why I stuck a PG warning on some of my later books, since I strayed into 13 yr-old territory.

Both maturity and reading skill level vary - and change - enormously in that time. We just have to help readers (and their parents) find good books that will feed their minds in situations where they are reading alone. Reading a book in class means they have on-hand discussion for any ideas they find controversial (aka upsetting). So I think we should bear the difference in mind when we nominate books.


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Ana Salote | 36 comments Austin wrote: "I can understand this decision if the key focus of this group is toward the younger end of Middle Grade, perhaps the 7 to 9 year olds.

But Middle Grade also encompasses books for older children in..."

Excellent blog post, Austin. As you say, the MG/YA boundary is fluid, but I hadn't considered how the protaganist's role works within that.


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Ana Salote | 36 comments Jemima wrote: "My understanding is the general age range of middle grade is 9 to 12 years old. That's why I stuck a PG warning on some of my later books, since I strayed into 13 yr-old territory.

Both maturity a..."


Yes, there is an enormous range of skills and maturity within this age group. I would hope to see that reflected in the book choices here. It would be a shame to apply the filter 'average'.


message 19: by Jemima (last edited Jun 08, 2016 02:17PM) (new)

Jemima Pett | 1492 comments Mod
OH HECK!!

The re-run poll gave us a tie between The War that Saved My Life and When You Reach Me. Both got 20% of the vote.

I considered giving myself a tie break vote, but since I'd already voted for one of them, and I'd been watching the ebb and flow of voting closely this week, I decided to let us read either - or both!! I know I can get one from my library and not the other, so I'll just do one.

Thank you all for voting again, it looks like everyone did, from the numbers plus the members who've joined in the last week!

SO THERE WILL BE TWO BOTM THREADS FOR JUNE. Please post your comments on the correct one!


message 20: by Rebecca (new)

Rebecca Douglass (rdouglass) | 1680 comments Mod
Cool! I'm good with two! I read The War that Saved My Life not too long ago, so I can read the other and comment on both :)


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