Allegiant (Divergent, #3) Allegiant discussion


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What is your opinion of Allegiant and why you think the way you do?

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I liked the book in the beginning but in the end it was ruined.


ashrey IT WAS RUINED by Veronica's DARK heart she's a evil poo i hate her she killed my Tris


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Olivia Davis I liked the first two books but I honestly didn't enjoy the writing and gave up about halfway through. I know what happens at the end, but I never finished reading it...


ashrey wellllllll
i hope you didn't mind when i spoiled it
BUT i still HATE V. Roth


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Olivia Davis I don't mind, I purposely spoiled myself when I stopped reading so I would know what happened lol.


Aspiro You'd think Veronica Roth would know how to end a story.
She started the series off beautifully, Divergent had it's literary faults - as does any other book - but it still had you hooked enough to read it over and over.
Insurgent was okay, it didn't have the same magic Divergent did, but it was entertaining and I was excited for it.
And the characters were effulgent and lively and altogether amazing (Tris, Four, Christina, Uriah, etc).
But then, after finishing Insurgent and moving onto Allegiant things get bad. I mean, they get really, really, bad. Like no-heel-high-heels, what on earth were you thinking? bad. I'd like to say her plot was good, but it wasn't, it was awful. Her whole backstory for what was outside the fence was trash. 'Hey, we created your little town of people to purify the human race, and we've been watching your every move since you were born'. Ugh, what? Every sci-fi book has to have a good, sound, intelligible background - Allegiant didn't have one in any way shape or form. Not to mention (*SPOILER*) she killed Tris off when Caleb could have died.... COME ON!!! Why couldn't Caleb die instead of Tris? He needed to redeem himself after all the traitorous things he'd done in Insurgent. That was the worst for me... I bawled my eyes out. Tris and Uriah die but all the ugly, evil donkey butts of the story live (i.e. David, Peter, Marcus).... Like no. Just NO.
Allegiant RUINED the Divergent series. Veronica just butchered an otherwise good trilogy.


Kristy Alert, if anyone hasn't read Allegiant, there are spoilers. Allegiant would have been my least favourite book in the series for me, even without the ending. The plot was boring, compared to the first book in particular. New characters were introduced, who weren't as interesting, and existing characters had either little or nothing to do. The ending ruined the story for me. It's not because Tris died (to be honest, she wasn't my favourite character), but it's how, what for and why that is the problem for me. I remember after finishing Allegiant, feeling torn about the ending. I should have been able to appreciate Tris's sacrifice. However, as time has gone on, the more I have come to really hate the ending. Tris's death was supposed to demonstrate her selflessness. Why then does she die committing an act (wiping the entire Bureau's compound) which was selfish?I find it disturbing that I have been reading a story about a sixteen year old girl's "journey" being about figuring out the "correct" way to die, to "honour" her parents who died so that she could have her life. i thought she had figured that dying wasn't the right way to honour her parents in Insurgent. Tris's death wasn't necessary to the plot. There wasn't enough in the aftermath of her death to indicate to me that her death was necessary. Tris died because it was felt that she "should", and she had "earned it." Yuk. also, Tris's "betrayal" of transferring to Dauntless being equated with Caleb's betrayal in conspiring to get Tris to Erudite headquarters which would have resulted in her being exicuted, if not for Peter, Excuse me. What? As the ending is written, I despise it and it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. Poor Four.


Aspiro Kristy wrote: "Alert, if anyone hasn't read Allegiant, there are spoilers. Allegiant would have been my least favourite book in the series for me, even without the ending. The plot was boring, compared to the fir..."
Thank you, I think you translated your thoughts on the book into words better than I did. I totally agree with your review.


Kathleen I think the book was fairly good, but I found it a little dull in comparison to the first two. The ending didn't upset me. It was coming when V. Roth started alternating chapters. I think it was meant to be that way.


Readergirl I loved the firs book, but when they decided to give up the faction sistem i gave up my hope on the rest of the books. The magic parts for me were the ones were they described the factions and their life style


Holly The first book was my favorite, but as the books went on, they seemed to focus more on the violence of the story instead of building the plot. Also, the ending emotionally destroyed me.


Silver Arrow What I don't get is why Caleb didn't stop Tris from sacrificing herself. I know she had him at gunpoint, but c'mon, she never would have shot him. In fact, THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT of her sacrificing herself, it was so that Caleb wouldn't die, so if Caleb is such an Erudite, than why didn't he call her bluff and at least try to stop her?


Linda I liked it (though I preferred the story inside the city with the factions) and I don't even mind that Tris died - I feel the book is more powerful like that. The last few Tobias' chapters are my favourite, especially the epilogue. I love how Roth wrapped up the story, no loose ends and how all the regulars met at the end. Each to their own, I guess.


Kristy Silver wrote: "What I don't get is why Caleb didn't stop Tris from sacrificing herself. I know she had him at gunpoint, but c'mon, she never would have shot him. In fact, THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT of her sacrifici..."

I see what you mean. It really doesn't reflect well on Caleb, does it? The aftermath shows that he still doesn't really get it. "She loved me. she held me at gunpoint so she could die for me.... But that's just how it is." Hated that.


Trisha The series was built so well but the ending ruined it. I understand why Roth did what she did, but my hopeless romantic heart won't accept it.


Kristen Allegiant was a disaster. It had so much potential, but basically bombed. Too many plot holes, the story doesn't really make sense because the "science" doesn't make sense, and killing off Tris was meaningless (not to mention completely unrealistic assuming the story made sense) and an obvious attempt to force the story toward the desired outcome. I usually tell people to stop with Insurgent and imagine their own conclusion because it's bound to be better and make more sense.


marisa am i the only person who enjoyed the ending? i thought it was necessary and that it made a lot of sense. it kind of goes to show that the world isn't split into just black and white. all of the characters in the divergent series were divergent. tris symbolized that when she sacrificed herself for her brother and for the future of her world. it wasn't simply the abnegation in her, it was the dauntless that enabled her to be brave enough to actually complete the mission, the erudite in her to know that caleb would most likely fail, the amity in her to try her best to find peace and less destruction, and the candor in her when she realized the only person to be able to do this was herself. i wasn't a huge fan of the rest of the book, especially the constantly changing povs but the ending was well done in my opinion, not to mention what tobias said right before the book ended. "life damages us, but we can mended."


Annalisa97 I was so excited for the last book in this trilogy and thought that it had a lot of potential. But then when I got into the book I didn't see a plot or much of a build up for the conclusion. And then the main character is just suddenly dead... Sure Trish dying was sad, I would have loved seeing her happy with Four after all of this was over, but I might have been ok with her dying if she had at least had better and more epic death than this. So I was very disappointed in Allegiant.


Kristy Mar wrote: "am i the only person who enjoyed the ending? i thought it was necessary and that it made a lot of sense. it kind of goes to show that the world isn't split into just black and white. all of the cha..."
I must say, I respectfully have to disagree with you about the necessity of Tris's sacrifice. It could be, and has been, argued in other discussions on goodreads and on other websites that Tris's sacrifice wasn't necessary. I'm not talking about Tris taking Caleb's place, but about the plan which created the whole situation: Tris's plan to use memory serum on everyone in the bureau compound. You also mentioned about Tris's divergence and aptitudes for all five factions:the possibility of amity in her, the desire to have a peaceful outcome with the least destruction. Tris concocted the same plan to use against the bureau that David had ordered to be used against those in Chicago (it was ordered to stop Evelyn killing everyone with death serum.) Tris decried David's plan as wrong and evil, yet she goes and does exactly the same thing. Tris's plan was also about hurting people. When Tobias raised his concerns, Tris commented it was the best of two bad options as it saved the ones she loved and that the bureau people were "lucky I (tris) didn't kill them." Yes, whilst this attitude is definitely understandable, it doesn't give testament to Tris's selflessness or possible amity aptitude, in my opinion.
If anyone is curious about why people think the ending of this book is horrible, they can read a brilliant analysis. The author discusses the necessity (or lack of necessity), and suggests other courses of action which could have been taken.
Book Review: Breaking down the ending to Allegiant - Blog Archive


message 20: by RaRa (new) - rated it 5 stars

RaRa I did not enjoy this book as much as I did Divergent and Insurgent. I get the progression of the story in the first two books, but really disliked the breakdown of the faction system in the first place as that was part of the initial draw. When Allegiant rolled out, I was excited for it, and hopeful that it would come full circle in a good, but powerful way beyond the fence. The whole Bureau thing was simply way out there for me. Divergent, with it's rebuilt city after the apocalypse, was more believable than the sci-fi in Allegiant. It was a major jump. And oh yes, I abhor the ending. I love Four's character, and frankly my heart ached for him. I cried when I read the ending, and Tris was never a favorite character for me. I agree that Caleb should have had his "A-ha!" moment and made the sacrifice. I know we are really talking about the book here, but have any of you seen the movie? What do you think about the liberties taken there and the ending? I'm sure you can guess how I feel about it.


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