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Think Outside Your Box and Expand Your Mind

My cup of tea entirely! *bites lip on rant about general view of Islam and what constitutes being Moslem* (well, for a start, spellcheck didn't recognise my perfectly valid spelling)
*wanders off to check bookshelves for the unexpected*




The Henrietta Lacks book brought up some good discussions on the uses of cells (or other body parts) without permission of the "original owner" or the family. And should they somehow be reimbursed when someone makes money from the research? Stiff was very informative. I plan on going to the Body Farm after my death, but a lot of people have trouble with the idea of their loved ones being used like that. There are so many beliefs about death and autopsies and embalming. Then there's life after death...
Eating disorders are a big problem. What leads a person to them and what can be done to help someone caught in the cycle? Is there a way to prevent them? And there are so many issues surrounding body image.
Marie wrote: "there out to be something there about medicine I am thinking along lines of The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks or Stiff: The Curious Lives of Human Cadavers even as i ..."
Henrietta Lacks is good. Stiff is alright. The second half seems to derail when she talks about reanimation.
Henrietta Lacks is good. Stiff is alright. The second half seems to derail when she talks about reanimation.

Which makes me think...how about a medical category? Looks like some of the books above would fit too. Also science based. Current day slavery or human trafficking? Mental health? True crime? Just a bunch of random thoughts... :)
I'll need to do some gophering, but I know I have a few books on my tbr that will fit.
My first thoughts:
The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks
Unbearable Lightness: A Story of Loss and Gain
Forensics: What Bugs, Burns, Prints, DNA and More Tell Us About Crime
Hidden Girl: The True Story of a Modern-Day Child Slave
The Dorito Effect: The Surprising New Truth About Food and Flavor
Brain on Fire: My Month of Madness
Orhan's Inheritance
Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil: A Savannah Story
I would like to read Walk on Water: The Miracle of Saving Children's Lives. This book is about congenital heart defects in infants and surgery. It follows a world renown pediatric surgeon and not only talks about the skill and demand, but delves into the political aspects of performing heart surgery on infants.

I agree Kelly the first part was much stronger than the second

Delitealex wrote: "Many possibilities but the first that comes to mind are Unbearable Lightness: A Story of Loss and Gain(nonfiction) or The Disappearing Girl (fiction) both are about p..."
jaxnsmom wrote: "Marie and Delitealex - I'll definitely add something for both of those topics.
The Henrietta Lacks book brought up some good discussions on the uses of cells (or other body parts) without permissi..."
Many books about personal journey through such things as anorexia, drug dependence etc would fit

that sounds fascinating

The Kraus Project: Essays by Karl Kraus
The Disappearing Spoon: And Other True Tales of Madness, Love, and the History of the World from the Periodic Table of the Elements
Attention All Shipping: A Journey Round the Shipping Forecast
Trail of 32: The True Story of a Youthful Spirit That Knew Not of Defeat
The Atomic Times: My H-Bomb Year at the Pacific Proving Ground
and
Thin Wire: A Mother's Journey Through Her Daughter's
Heroin Addiction
Woohoo i might clear some of my to read shelf but NOOOOO- i have already added to it from above suggestions
I am thinking only thin wire of these would count


Couldn't wait!
ETA: I DON'T THINK ANY OF MY CHOICES ARE GOING TO WORK!
Now that jax has made a clarification, most of my "science" books and all the rest won't work!
48 Hours to Chaos: An Engineer Looks at Life and How the World Really Works
The Magic of Reality: How We Know What's Really True
A Brief History of Time
Global Warming-Alarmists, Skeptics & Deniers:
Evolution: What the Fossils Say and Why It Matters
The Sixth Extinction: An Unnatural History
Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil: A Savannah Story
Death's Acre: Inside the Legendary Forensic Lab the Body Farm
Monkeyluv: And Other Essays on Our Lives as Animals
The Omnivore's Dilemma: A Natural History of Four Meals
Animal, Vegetable, Miracle: A Year of Food Life
101 Great Philosophers: Makers of Modern Thought
Out of My Mind
Funny Bones: Posada and His Day of the Dead Calaveras (40 pages)
The Stamp Collector (32 pages)
A Single Man
Deeper into the gopher hole, I must go!


@Almeta, love it!

Butch Is a Noun
Redefining Realness: My Path to Womanhood, Identity, Love & So Much More
Gender Failure
Dear John, I Love Jane: Women Write About Leaving Men for Women


Marie wrote: "i have just found these on my bookshelf all full of fascination i should think
The Kraus Project: Essays by Karl Kraus
[book:The Disappearing Spoon: And Other True Tales of Madness,..."
I added the Disappearing Spoon to my shelf!
The Kraus Project: Essays by Karl Kraus
[book:The Disappearing Spoon: And Other True Tales of Madness,..."
I added the Disappearing Spoon to my shelf!
I did some gophering and found Genome: the Autobiography of a Species in 23 Chapters,
Voyage of the Beagle and The Origin of Species, so far
Voyage of the Beagle and The Origin of Species, so far



To Engineer Is Human: The Role of Failure in Successful Design. My review can be found at https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...

Parrotfish This is the book my eldest offspring (formerly daughter) gave me to read when he "came out" as trans. It helped me understand. My review: https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...
How Dogs Love Us: A Neuroscientist and His Adopted Dog Decode the Canine Brain My review: https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...

Becoming Nicole: The Transformation of an American Family
The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat and Other Clinical Tales
Love's Executioner and Other Tales of Psychotherapy
What If?: Serious Scientific Answers to Absurd Hypothetical Questions
Beyond Belief: My Secret Life Inside Scientology and My Harrowing Escape
Troublemaker: Surviving Hollywood and Scientology

Parrotfish This is the book my eldest offspring (formerly daughter) gave me to read when he "came out" as trans. It helpe..."
I've been trying to find some good fiction with trans characters.

Religion
Sexual orientation
Race
Politics
Cultural beliefs - offensive and/or barbaric
Mental Illness
Medical research using human cells/bodies - ownership, financial compensation, moral issues
Eating disorders
Genocide
Human trafficking and slavery
Suicide
The rules are the same as usual:
1. Books must be started and finished in this time period to qualify.
2. You may read any format - paperback, hardcover, ebook, or audiobook. For the last two use the page numbers on the first edition that comes up on the GR page.
3. Each book must be at least 175 pages.
4. Toppler books can count toward the monthly challenge, the group theme read, and the yearly challenge if they qualify.
5. You may plan ahead and chose books for the challenge, but you are not restricted to those books. You may swap them out at will.


You mean jaxnsmom.
I'm back to the drawing board myself.

So, I am going to read In the Course of Human Events: A Novel, a novel about American extremism and will follow, time allowing, with Thirteen Reasons Why, about suicide. Or the other way round, whichever arrives first!

Options so far include mainly books about Islam in some way and/or race generally, mental illness, politics, and transgender issues.
Library paperbacks
The Bell Jar 288pg
The Color Purple 295pgs
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest 325pg
The Danish Girl 336pg Geocache - Set in Denmark
Mornings in Jenin 352pgs Geocache - war, great love
Library ebooks
**The Reluctant Fundamentalist 184pg
Moth Smoke 256pg Geocache - blue cover
**Purple Hibiscus 307pg Geocache - Set in Nigeria, devout character
The Bridges of Constantine 320pg Geocache - painting, war, great love
In the Shadow of the Banyan 322pg Geocache - war, birds on cover, death theme
Books I own
Words Will Break Cement: The Passion of Pussy Riot 320pg
A Thousand Splendid Suns 372pg monthly challenge

SCIENCE & TECHNOLOGY
Pluto demoted as a planet - How I Killed Pluto and Why It Had It Coming
Alternative Energy vs Fossil Fuels -Renewable Energy Systems
Environmental impact of hydraulic fracturing - The Boom: How Fracking Ignited the American Energy Revolution and Changed the World
Climate Change/Global warming - Meltdown
Climate Change/Global warming - An Inconvenient Truth: The Crisis of Global Warming
Climate Change/Global warming - Global Warming-Alarmists, Skeptics & Deniers: A Geoscientist looks at the Science of Climate Change
☭ Biodiversity - Crow Planet
Genetically Modified Foods - Green Phoenix: A History of Genetically Modified Plants
Genetically Modified Foods - Uncertain Peril: Genetic Engineering, Future of Seeds
MEDICAL
Genetic engineering - My Sister's Keeper
Euthanasia/Assisted suicide - The Future of Assisted Suicide and Euthanasia
Mental Illness - All the Bright Places
Cloning - The Second Creation: Dolly and the Age of Biological Control
CULTURAL
Ebonics - Talkin that Talk: Language, Culture and Education in African America
☭ Afghanistan - The Kite Runner
☭ Human Rights - The Screaming of the Innocent
☭ Human Rights - The Investigation
Illegal Immigration - Citizens, Strangers, And In-between
☭ Immigrants/Refugees - Little Bee
☭ African gem trade - The Sapphire Sea
☭ Black History - Go Tell It on the Mountain
Black History - Up Your Banners
Otherness - Out of My Mind
POLITCAL
Gun Control - Open Fire: Understanding Global Gun Cultures
SEXUAL ORIENTATION
Queer America: A GLBT History of the 20th Century
LITERATURE
Harry Potter Controversy - The Mystery of Harry Potter Family Guide
Shakespeare Controversy - Case for Shakespeare: End of the Authorship Question


Example - I recognise that climate change in some parts of the world is a controversial topic, but for me it's fact. Does that mean I can't read something like The Weather Makers: How Man Is Changing the Climate and What It Means for Life on Earth as it's not going to blow my horizons?
Which is a completely fair reading of your toppler, as you are challenging us to challenge and broaden ourselves. Just after clarification for us all.
Edit: Also acceptable to say "Rus, you numpty, you're overthinking it and confusing everyone. AGAIN."

Middlesex has been on my tbr or a long time now and it fits 'sexual orientation' topic neatly, but it's long so not perfect for the toppler.

I loved Henrietta Lacks, can really recommend reading it to everyone.
If I receive it in time (I ordered it but it's still somewhere between the US (or UK) and my hometown), I would like to read What is the What. It's a refugee story and the refugees coming into Europe right now raise a lot of controversy and question. There are so many demonstrations (and not always in a peaceful manner) by groups pro and con. Should we take them in? And how many? And what if they don't live according to our norms? Are they true war refugees or do they just come here for money? I have a strong opinion on the topic but I'm very interested in it although I haven't read much about it. I hope something like that is what you intended jmom. If not, I have other books that would probably work :)
The Kite Runner (Islam)
And the Mountains Echoed (Islam)
Half of a Yellow Sun (serious topic, not sure if it's controversial though.. anyone read it?)
Sweetsmoke (slavery)
The Dry Grass of August (segregation)
The Story of Beautiful Girl (would that work? Is people with developmental disabilities having babies is something in the way of controversial you were thinking about?
Mornings in Jenin (Israel/Palestine)
Little Bee (refugees)
Oh.. now I want to read them all..

The Shock of the Fall - Mental Illness
A Royal Affair - Sexuality
Cold City - Mental Illness, Sexuality. I think there could be some religious themes too.
The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas - Genocide



You mean..."
Oops! Yes, I do. I had a migraine...I'm surprised I got a 'J' name.

For cloning - Never Let Me Go. I gave it 1 star because I was so upset over the content. I should have given it 5 stars because of the sheer impact of it.
Books mentioned in this topic
Just Mercy (other topics)Your Heart Is a Muscle the Size of a Fist (other topics)
The Dry Grass of August (other topics)
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Authors mentioned in this topic
Jodi Picoult (other topics)Jodi Picoult (other topics)
Harper Barnes (other topics)
David Levithan (other topics)
Khaled Hosseini (other topics)
Think Outside Your Box, and Expand Your Mind
The idea is to read a book about something you're unfamiliar with in order to have a better understanding about the controversy surrounding the topic. Something that causes arguments as much as discussions. Or maybe something you haven't read about because it's different from your lifestyle. The books can be nonfiction or fiction, where the topic/situation is part of the story.
As you read your books, consider the legal, ethical, and moral implications. Where do you stand on the issue? Can you see the other side's viewpoint? Are there compromises, treatments, or preventative measures? What actions can be taken to stop/control/prohibit intolerable actions?
Examples of topics include:
Religion
Religious prosecution has existed as long as humans. Teaching evolution in US schools
I want to know more about Islam, the moderate beliefs and how the terrorists differ. I might read a nonfiction history or something by Khaled Hosseini.
Sexual orientation
Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transsexual, Transgender. Issues of acceptance in society, rights to be recognized as moral and legal partners with same benefits as straight man/woman couples, the decision to keep quiet or be open about sexual preference.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/lg...
Race
It's Black History Month in the US, but there are racial issues all over the world. Anyone remember Apartheid? Or all the episodes of racial genocide? Segregation? What about the conflicts with police that are in the news, racially motivated shootings, OJ Simpson, Rodney King? The treatment of American Indians or Australian Aboriginals?
Politics
hahahahahahahahaha Is there ever a clear understanding of politics?! How do the different forms of government work? Democracy, dictators, Monarchs...
Cultural beliefs
Some are comfortable with no conflict, some we see as strange and bizarre, while others are seen as barbaric. As citizens of the world, how much responsibility do we have to do something about inhumane actions?
Mental illness
So many forms, some more obvious than others. Is having that label helpful for others to understand, or does it give a negative connotation that affects others views?
Medical research using human cells/bodies - ownership, financial compensation, moral issues. Research using animals.
Eating disorders
Causes and effects. Possible treatment or prevention?
Genocide
Why, and what justification do killers use?
Human trafficking and slavery
What gives anyone the idea that they can use people any way they want???
Suicide
Reasons why? Is it ever acceptable (terminal illness, unbearable treatment by others like rape and torture)? How do survivors continue after failed attempt? The effect on the family and friends of someone who killed themselves. Personal suicide (committed by the person - drugs, shooting, jumping) versus those who involve others (suicide by cop, stepping in front of a moving vehicle).
Treatment of children
Buying and selling, killing if not the preferred sex
Addiction
Is there a gene that leads to addiction? Are there viable treatments?
There are so many other issues that I'll look at them on a case by case basis.
There will be one lighthearted topic for those who absolutely can't read about a serious topic. You'll have to message me to explain yourself and may have homework. Are such things as witches and ghosts real? What about vampires and werewolves? The Loch Ness monster and Bigfoot? Your book can't just have any of these characters in it, there must be some questioning of their reality.
The dates for the Toppler are February 20th noon EST until February 27th noon EST.
The rules are as usual:
1. Books must be started and finished in this time period to qualify.
2. You may read any format - paperback, hardcover, ebook, or audiobook. For the last two use the page numbers on the first edition that comes up on the GR page.
3. Each book must be at least 175 pages.
4. Toppler books can count toward the monthly challenge, the group theme read, and the yearly challenge if they qualify.
5. You may plan ahead and chose books for the challenge, but you are not restricted to those books. You may swap them out at will.