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message 1: by Lesle, Appalachain Bibliophile (last edited Dec 30, 2021 06:12AM) (new)

Lesle | 8402 comments Mod
The Fundamentals of NTLTRC

NTLTRC Group is About: Classics that are 50 years & older
Quotes from Members (2016) help form the definition of What is a CLASSIC?


"50 years or older...
Classics have Layers and layers of meaning.
"TRUE classic"
it's a good thing from the past.
a book accepted as being noteworthy and has an impact.
should be spoken in terms of an epoch.
ability to survive through generations and fads.
relatable, as well as 'meaty'.
can be reread and get more out of it the second time around."

Classics are not just the standard French, English and American, there are Classics in all Countries

So as a Modern Classic goes “I roll my eyes when people call something an instant classic. It's like saying something is an instant antique...“

1. Please, DO NOT open a thread under any of the Moderators Monthly Group Read Topics and Threads WITHOUT discussing with a Moderator.
The Topics and Threads are set-up to cover Classics for all the Members. Our Moderators have plans and statements for their opening threads at the beginning of each Month.

2. Inappropriateness, unsuitable, and language is an issue, especially for Members of Faith, for our Young Adults, and for Members that just do not want to see that. What might be fun for one, could be considered not proper for another, in a different country it may even come off as rude (derogatory remarks). We would like to think our Members here at NTLTRC would understand and take care with written words or postings of any kind.

3. Laurie first listed the "100 Classics to Read Before You Die" (The time frame of the Classics were established from the beginning), she left out all of the modern classics that were in the original list.

4. What if I want to be a Member of NTLTRC but, I am not active in the discussions, I would rather be a silent member?
The Moderators of NTLTRC would prefer you were active but we understand if you decide to just read with us and enjoy reading the comments of others.

***We are a friendly and quite diverse in our Classics and Countries with over 65 Countries represented.
France, USA, UK, Albania, Algeria, Arabia, Argentina, Armenia, Australia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Bangladesh, Belguim, Brazil, Buenos Aires', Bulgaria, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Croatia, Denmark, Ecuador, Egypt, Estonia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, India, Indonesia, Iran, Italy, Kenya, Lativa, Libya, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macedonia, Maldives, Martinique, Mongolia, Morocco, Moscow, Nepal, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Papua-New Guinea, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russian Federation, Saint Lucia, Saudi Arabia, Serbia, Shri Lanka, Slovakia, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Thailand, Tunisia-North Africa, Turkey, Ukraine, Uzbekistan, and Vietnam as well!

If you join in and comment it makes for fun discussions and friendships**

Happy Reading!


message 2: by Lesle, Appalachain Bibliophile (last edited Feb 06, 2023 04:45PM) (new)

Lesle | 8402 comments Mod
NTLTRC offers a diverse amount of genre's:

Authors/Genre - Classic Novels 50 years or older
Classics in Translation - 50 years or older (exceptions for some Countries)
YA and Children's Classics - 40 years or older works for school age
Mystery and Suspense - 50 years and older
Non-Fiction - General subject matter: 50 years and older
Biographies - The person(s) focused on should have passed away at least 50 years ago, although the title may have been written more recently.
History / Events: The history / event should have occurred at least 50 years ago, although the title may have been written more recently.
Sci-Fi and Fantasy - 50 years and older
Horror Classics - 50 years and older
Hefty Classics - over 800 pages - 50 years and older
Husky Classics -500 to 799 pages - 50 years and older
Frontier Western Adventure Classics (FWC) are 30 years and older
Epic Poetry - Traditionally, an epic poem is a long, serious, poetic narrative about a significant event, often featuring a hero - 50 years and older
Plays - Theater works - 30 years and older

NTLTRC offers a wide variety of genre's so you can explore your likes in reading.
Genre's and Reads are just Suggestions you do not have to cover everything that is available in One Month, pick what interest you and read just that!

Types of Books
250 to 300 word count per page (normal), these are averages:

Russian Novel - 800 pages (what we call Hefty)
Novel - 250 to 800 pages
Novella - 160 pages
Novelette - 60 pages
Short Story - 24 pages
Flash Fiction - 4 pages
Micro Fiction - +1 pages

Short Story (Edgar Allen Poe described the proper length of a short story by saying it had to be something readable in a single sitting.)


message 3: by Lesle, Appalachain Bibliophile (last edited Dec 30, 2021 05:42AM) (new)

Lesle | 8402 comments Mod
To really understand Classics you should also consider the period of time the Classics were written in. Sometimes situations we dislike now, were of the norm during the time the Novel was published. This understanding does not make it easier to accept but may help to comprehend the intent from the Author.

SOMETHNG TO THINK ABOUT:
When you finish the unlovely classic, the stupid classic, the incomprehensible classic, and the time has come to set the book aside, you may be tempted to throw the book aside in frustration. You might be tempted to say, “This was a complete waste of time. I learned nothing from this. I could have been reading Pride and Prejudice or Jane Eyre again, and it would have been time better spent…”

If you totally dislike a book, it does not mean when read by another that it is NOT READ in a whole different perspective and love for the Author by someone else.

There is, however, another reason we read classics, and I suppose it has very little to do with our moral and spiritual development. We also read the classics—even the classics we hate and which we attain nothing—for others, for those we have never met.

There are times when reading the classics does real spiritual good, but there are also times when you read the classics for the benefit of those who will come after you. Your reading of difficult, uninspiring books is pure self-sacrifice.

I appreciate the time you took to read my thoughts on this and apply here to NTLTRC. Thank you again!


message 4: by Lesle, Appalachain Bibliophile (last edited Dec 30, 2021 05:44AM) (new)

Lesle | 8402 comments Mod
Spoilers and add book/author

Type the following without the asterisks (*) and no spaces.
<*spoiler*>This is the text that will be hidden.<*/spoiler*>

This helps our Members interested in the book, to locate exactly what you are posting about.


message 5: by Lesle, Appalachain Bibliophile (last edited Dec 30, 2021 05:45AM) (new)

Lesle | 8402 comments Mod
Posthumously

As of today, if a work is written when the Author was alive and that timeframe falls within the 50 years for a Classic, but published at a later date (posthumously) should be part of NTLTRC standard.


message 6: by Lesle, Appalachain Bibliophile (new)

Lesle | 8402 comments Mod
Trilogy
A trilogy is a set of three works of literature that are connected and can be seen either as a single work or as three individual works.

Most trilogies are works of fiction involving or having the same characters, features or settings in common. Some fiction trilogies are connected only by a theme.

In the past we have agreed that this is acceptable if the first book was written in the Classic time frame for the genre.


message 7: by Lesle, Appalachain Bibliophile (new)

Lesle | 8402 comments Mod
Navigating in NTLTRC sometimes is frustrating.
If you use the App it does limit you on some of the things you can do.
We have found the Website is much better and you get a full view of what is available.

Samantha offered a trick I use all the time now. If you click on "Discussions" under the short cuts to the right of the page. Once the threads are listed you can do "Ctrl" "F" (Find) and search for an Author or a Title. Much faster way to look through the Archive sections.

You are always welcome to add comments on an Archived thread if you wish and Members will comment with you, if you are reading a Classic that we have read before.

Most of the time we try not to repeat a work but if there is much interest we will. As you know there are so many books and Authors to read on our TBR piles!


message 8: by Samantha, Creole Literary Belle (new)

Samantha Matherne (creolelitbelle) | -268 comments Mod
Trick to finding or linking specific editions

You may have noticed that in the main search bar on Goodreads you can type in the title of a book FOLLOWED by its author's name to find the correct book you are looking for without much trouble. However, if you would like to find a specific EDITION of a book and you know the book's exact ISBN, you can also search for it using the ISBN. This works in the main search bar on Goodreads AND in the little search bar when you click "add book/author" within a discussion thread during a comment.

Books published 2007 and after generally have a 13 digit ISBN, while those published before should have a 10 digit ISBN. The ISBN of a book can usually be found with its barcode as well as on the copyright page. Digital collections from public libraries such as Libby, cloudLibrary, and hoopla often list the ISBN somewhere, too.


message 9: by Lesle, Appalachain Bibliophile (last edited Jan 02, 2025 02:32AM) (new)

Lesle | 8402 comments Mod
Samantha this is wonderful. I tried it after we talked.

I went to:
MY Books
Chose the Bookshelf that I knew the book was in
Chose Settings
Check the first box "asin" or "isbn13" (I did both)
Click on the bar "Save current setting to Your ___Shelf

It will appear with the rest of the info you have selected like page count, ratings, published date and etc. I than just copied and pasted to the add book/author and pulled up my edition!!

Great discovery Samantha!!


message 10: by Lesle, Appalachain Bibliophile (last edited Jan 11, 2025 05:15AM) (new)

Lesle | 8402 comments Mod
Notification issues? Not receiving any from the groups. This actually worked for me!
Here is a step you can try:

message 4: by Sandra
I just checked your profile, Lesle, and it is showing as last active in October 2024. That is a known problem.
The work around from L J is :
"You are among those with profile showing last active October 2024.
Log out of Goodreads on all devices at same time, If you're using the App, your laptop or desktop, or ANY other device then log in again. This usually fixes last active date and you should soon start getting notifications again."

It has worked for several people, myself included, though mine was December :) Good luck.

From me:
They stress that if you have ANY devices that you have left yourself logged in on, you need to log out of those as this will not work.


message 11: by Lesle, Appalachain Bibliophile (new)

Lesle | 8402 comments Mod
Unfortunately I fill obliged to make this statement:

I cannot and will not allow Members to criticize another. It does not matter if you have an opposite opinion. It just does not need to be stated in such disrespectful language or even stated at all.

In some classics, there are topics that are intolerable to accept. Some Members could have family that endured such unforgivable acts. These actions are so repulsive that they are beyond forgiveness.

This tends to be in Non-Fiction like Twelve Years a Slave more often but can also be in fiction such as White Fang

Everyone has the right to read what they want.
Not everyone has to agree.
Learning the past (our world history) is not something that should be condemned.

We all learn from events that took place in the past. It is how we learn from those events and how we move forward from them that matter. We are all citizens of the world, whether we think it is right or wrong we can show each other respect.

As another has stated:
Reminder for members in some threads that we must always be respectful in our discourse.


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