The Sword and Laser discussion

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How about a S&L award at the end of the year?

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message 1: by Matheus (new)

Matheus (Matheuslr8) | 36 comments Man, that would be awesome.


message 2: by Rob, Roberator (new)

Rob (robzak) | 6686 comments Mod
That's a cool idea.


message 3: by Caitlin (new)

Caitlin | 355 comments Would there be one winner or one for Sword and one for Laser?


message 4: by Walter (new)

Walter Spence (walterspence) | 707 comments My recommendation would be for one of each. That way, fans of both are served equally.


message 5: by Rick (new)

Rick | 2768 comments We could do a shortlist... nominate whatever you like, the top 10 make a final ballot, etc. I like the idea though I think we'd have to find some way to automate it etc.


message 6: by Michal (new)

Michal (michaltheassistantpigkeeper) | 294 comments Agreed. This is an excellent idea.


message 7: by Veronica, Supreme Sword (new)

Veronica Belmont (veronicabelmont) | 1660 comments Mod
We've talked about it! But there are already so many awards out there...


message 8: by Rick (new)

Rick | 2768 comments But not a Sword & Laser award!


message 9: by Walter (last edited Apr 26, 2014 12:38PM) (new)

Walter Spence (walterspence) | 707 comments Perhaps the Sword and Laser award(s) could be geared towards works which most of the current awards are not addressing.

The easiest might be an award for the best Sword and Laser pick for a given calendar year. Folks get to vote for their favorite book out of the year's picks. The downside is that you're working with what could be argued is too small a pool of potential winners.

An alternate possibility, classics which were overlooked during their initial run. That is, they never won a Hugo or Nebula or whatnot, but over the passage of time have proven to have greater legs than those works which were so honored.

It's tempting to suggest as an award category small press and/or self-published works, since many of the current awards for such require submission fees and therefore tend to come across primarily as money-making ventures for their organizers, but the potential nightmare this scenario almost certainly would create terrifies even me, and I am a self-published novelist.

Someone else want to have a go?


message 10: by terpkristin (new)

terpkristin | 4111 comments I like the idea!!


message 11: by Rick (last edited Apr 26, 2014 12:39PM) (new)

Rick | 2768 comments Honestly, I'd just do an award for best SF and best Fantasy novel published in the previous year. Not read in but published in. The downside to this is that people will nominate things outside the prior year. I wonder if we could create a huge list on Listopia and then use the Goodreads API to filter that by publication date, leaving us with a long list of things that are eligible. If so, then people could nominate by adding a book to the list and at some point T&V could close the list (is that possible?) and we could all vote for the top 10. Move those to a new list and we vote for the one we feel was best in each category.


message 12: by Tamahome (new)

Tamahome | 6031 comments The S&L group has better judgement than the Hugos.


message 13: by Matheus (new)

Matheus (Matheuslr8) | 36 comments Tamahome wrote: "The S&L group has better judgement than the Hugos."

Exactly!


message 14: by terpkristin (new)

terpkristin | 4111 comments Tamahome wrote: "The S&L group has better judgement than the Hugos."

I dunno, I have yet to really like a book that's won a group poll for next read. :D ;)


message 15: by Phil (last edited Apr 26, 2014 07:07PM) (new)

Phil | 1132 comments I think Killian means just voting on the books we read as a group the previous year. I think that would be a fun idea. I've always wanted some way to see what the group as a whole (as opposed to the dozen or so usual posters) has rated a book.
I know as far as I'm concerned, I rarely read a book as soon as it comes out so voting on books published in the previous year wouldn't personally be of interest to me.


message 16: by Rob Secundus (new)

Rob Secundus (quintessential_defenestration) | 1035 comments Honestly, I'd be more interested in a "what was the best book we, S&L, read this year" discussion or sub forum on goodreads than a "s&L award for the best book published this year." Maybe even a reflective wrap up the year episode. That would be definitely be less work than an award


message 17: by Matthew (new)

Matthew (matthewdl) | 341 comments Rob wrote: "Honestly, I'd be more interested in a "what was the best book we, S&L, read this year" discussion or sub forum on goodreads than a "s&L award for the best book published this year." Maybe even a r..."

I agree. I like S&L as a place for discussion. Plus I think there's value to the big established awards like the Hugos. I just got a supporter pass to Loncon and I'm going to be making a big effort to search out things to nominate for next year's Hugos.

Perhaps rather than exert all the effort into creating our own awards we should become more active in those that are already established. Only 1923 nominating ballots were submitted to the Hugos! Imagine the impact we could make if only 10% of us joined that.


message 18: by Caitlin (new)

Caitlin | 355 comments It seems much more feasible with just the S&L official picks.


message 19: by Darren (new)

Darren Are we imagining a physical award, like a Sword & Laser tankard o' excellence, or more of a Stan Lee No-Prize sort of award?


message 20: by Tamahome (new)

Tamahome | 6031 comments You win a miniature Lem the Dragon.


message 21: by Rick (new)

Rick | 2768 comments Actually... a mini-Lem would be awesome.


message 22: by Tamahome (last edited Apr 27, 2014 11:53AM) (new)

Tamahome | 6031 comments The Lemmie.




message 23: by Shaina (new)

Shaina (shainaeg) | 165 comments The Lemmie sounds like an award for worst book of the year or most Lemmed book of the year.


message 24: by Viola (new)

Viola | 185 comments Shaina wrote: "The Lemmie sounds like an award for worst book of the year or most Lemmed book of the year."

I have to agree.


message 25: by Michal (new)

Michal (michaltheassistantpigkeeper) | 294 comments And Tom & Veronica probably aren't mean-spirited enough to have a worst book of the year award.

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I still want one to exist.


message 26: by John (Nevets) (new)

John (Nevets) Nevets (nevets) | 1517 comments You might want to be cautious when abbreviating "The Sword and Laser Awards", since L is just one letter away from M.


message 27: by Phil (new)

Phil | 1132 comments Either the Lemmie or the S.A.L.ly . Or maybe S.A.L.L.Y. for Sword and Laser Literary Yummy. (sorry I couldn't think of a good Y word).


message 28: by Michal (new)

Michal (michaltheassistantpigkeeper) | 294 comments Sword and Laser Literary Yawp?


message 29: by Walter (new)

Walter Spence (walterspence) | 707 comments The Sword and Laser Superlative Award (The S.A.L.S.A.)?


message 30: by Tamahome (new)

Tamahome | 6031 comments Now that's tasty.


message 31: by Darren (new)

Darren The Lemmie is catchy.


message 32: by Ty (new)

Ty Wilson (ShatterStar66) | 165 comments If we give out one for sword and one for laser, we could call them The Veronica and The Tom.


message 33: by Tamahome (new)

Tamahome | 6031 comments Can they be action figures?


message 34: by Kev (new)

Kev (sporadicreviews) | 639 comments I like this idea!

(The award, not necessarily the action figures...)


message 35: by John (Nevets) (new)

John (Nevets) Nevets (nevets) | 1517 comments I think this is a very good idea, and support it. But I also understand Veronica's sentiment. Even though we may have 10x more potential voters here then the Hugo's. This award will have a long road to go to be as prestigious as the Hugo's. That's not to say we shouldn't start. I think this could be real fun, and definitely needs a physical "Lem" award, but we have to be realistic about what it will be. I mean look how long the Locus and Nebula awards have been around, and they don't have 1/4 of the standing in pop culture of the Hugos.


message 36: by Andy (last edited Apr 28, 2014 09:13AM) (new)

Andy (andy_m) | 311 comments I am all for an award, but only as long as we do not take it too seriously. I think we are getting a little ahead of ourselves with comparing it to other awards and physical trophies.

We are a book club, lets vote for the fun of it.


message 37: by AndrewP (new)

AndrewP (andrewca) | 2440 comments Darren wrote: "The Lemmie is catchy."

Lemmie is good, but Ian Kilmister might object to Lemmy with a 'y' :)


message 38: by terpkristin (new)

terpkristin | 4111 comments If we actually do this, I volunteer to help coordinate the voting and such. :)


message 39: by Tamahome (new)

Tamahome | 6031 comments AndrewP wrote: "Darren wrote: "The Lemmie is catchy."

Lemmie is good, but Ian Kilmister might object to Lemmy with a 'y' :)"


The winners have to talk into a microphone above their heads.


message 40: by Ben (new)

Ben (bennewton_1) | 253 comments Andy wrote: "I am all for an award, but only as long as we do not take it too seriously. I think we are getting a little ahead of ourselves with comparing it to other awards and physical trophies.

We are a bo..."


Agreed, there's no reason we can't just have a fun vote for a few things, e.g. the S&L favourite fantasy and favourite scifi novel released in a given year, one for short stories, and the "Lemmie" for most popular book club pick of the year.


message 41: by Kev (new)

Kev (sporadicreviews) | 639 comments That's what I was taking from this thread, that it was an "award" just for the fun of the club. But for sure we'd want to let the authors and publishers know about it ;-)


message 42: by Tom, Supreme Laser (new)

Tom Merritt (tommerritt) | 1140 comments Mod
Oh man this is fantasic! The reason we resisted awards before is we couldn't think of a good way not to replicate existing ones. But you hit on it! We just pick the best of our reads. And the Lemmie is perfect.

I would think we'd give one sword and one laser, but what do you think? Just one overall?


message 43: by Ty (new)

Ty Wilson (ShatterStar66) | 165 comments I vote for one sword and one laser (and I'm still going to refer to them as The Veronica and The Tom.)


message 44: by Cliff (last edited Apr 29, 2014 06:12PM) (new)

Cliff | 69 comments I would have to say just one award for each year. We've already narrowed it down a lot by only allowing book picks (BTW, would official Alt picks qualify?). If we gave one Sword and one Laser, then we'd only be picking out of 6 book pool.

And I know that many of us suggested that this is all in fun, but I can't help but wonder if we do start such an award, would their chances of winning be a factor in future picks? I'm not sure that would be a positive consequence of this idea.


message 45: by Micah (new)

Micah (onemorebaker) | 1071 comments Tom wrote: "Oh man this is fantasic! The reason we resisted awards before is we couldn't think of a good way not to replicate existing ones. But you hit on it! We just pick the best of our reads. And the Lem..."

The hive mind rules. I would vote for one overall. It's easier that way, maybe not easy during the voting but there must always be "one to rule them all" so to speak.


message 46: by Kev (new)

Kev (sporadicreviews) | 639 comments I vote a Sword and a Laser award, and an ultimate winner overall (just to complicate things!).


Ruth (tilltab) Ashworth | 1852 comments I'll also add my voice to the 'one overall' vote. But...yay! Lemmies! :D


message 48: by Fiona (new)

Fiona (deifio) | 95 comments I think one overall winner would be best. And we could include the alternate picks. Then we could vote from a pool of maybe 15-20 books. What do you guys think?
Oh, and Lemmies sounds great!


message 49: by Ben (new)

Ben (bennewton_1) | 253 comments I think best Sword pick vs best Laser pick for the overall Lemmie award sounds good


message 50: by Andy (new)

Andy (andy_m) | 311 comments I would like to see one sci-fi and one fantasy award given each year. Or at least if we went with one award overall, a recognition for the best book in the other category. IE if a fantasy book won, a recognition for the highest rated sci-fi book.


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