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How did Tris get away with manipulating her Fear Landscape?
Siskiyou-Suzy
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Apr 10, 2014 02:17PM
I know "everyone [is] like Divergent" in the Fear Landscape, but I don't think that's an explanation. Hear me out.
In Stage Two, Tris is explicitly warned by Four to not manipulate the simulations:
"You manipulated the simulation; you're Divergent. I'll delete the footage but unless you want to wind up dead at the bottom of the chasm, you'll figure out how to hide it during simulations!"
Yet, when Tris goes through her Fear Landscape, she manipulates the simulation without any repercussions -- the Dauntless leaders don't even seem to care at all.
I know the Fear Landscape is different than the simulations. Four explains, "The difference is that you are aware, in the fear landscape, that it is a simulation, so you will have all your wits about you as you go through it." Tris thinks, "That means that everyone will be like Divergent in the fear landscape." But being aware of a simulation and manipulating a simulation are not the same thing. Divergent can do both; they're not just aware of the simulation.
The directions on how to get through the simulation consist of two things: calm down or face the fear. There are no instructions for manipulation; it's not given as a way to get through the simulation. So it seems the only way somebody would know about it would be if they're Divergent. When Tobias goes through his Fear Landscape there isn't even any manipulation. It seems like nobody else but Tris manipulates the simulation, which seems to suggest to me that manipulation would still easily be a hallmark of a Divergent. But apparently it isn't.
I don't understand why this wasn't addressed in the books. Was it and I missed it?
In Stage Two, Tris is explicitly warned by Four to not manipulate the simulations:
"You manipulated the simulation; you're Divergent. I'll delete the footage but unless you want to wind up dead at the bottom of the chasm, you'll figure out how to hide it during simulations!"
Yet, when Tris goes through her Fear Landscape, she manipulates the simulation without any repercussions -- the Dauntless leaders don't even seem to care at all.
I know the Fear Landscape is different than the simulations. Four explains, "The difference is that you are aware, in the fear landscape, that it is a simulation, so you will have all your wits about you as you go through it." Tris thinks, "That means that everyone will be like Divergent in the fear landscape." But being aware of a simulation and manipulating a simulation are not the same thing. Divergent can do both; they're not just aware of the simulation.
The directions on how to get through the simulation consist of two things: calm down or face the fear. There are no instructions for manipulation; it's not given as a way to get through the simulation. So it seems the only way somebody would know about it would be if they're Divergent. When Tobias goes through his Fear Landscape there isn't even any manipulation. It seems like nobody else but Tris manipulates the simulation, which seems to suggest to me that manipulation would still easily be a hallmark of a Divergent. But apparently it isn't.
I don't understand why this wasn't addressed in the books. Was it and I missed it?
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I think you are spot-on: The ability to manipulate a simulation or fear landscape is a distinct marker of someone who is Divergent. Tris can manipulate both because she is aware that what she is experiencing isn't real, very much like someone who practices lucid dreaming: by becoming aware of the fact that you are dreaming, you can then control the dream. I can't remember what happened during Tris' fear landscape exam, but if what you say is correct and she manipulated the simulation while Dauntless leaders were watching, that was very dangerous and should have resulted in consequences of some kind. In the movie, I felt they addressed this very well by having Four take Tris through his fear landscape and instruct her on how to beat the test by thinking the way a dauntless would, rather than by manipulating it. Then during her exam she is able to hide the fact that she is Divergent.
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i actualy have no clue how the Dauntless leaders didn`t notice. I mean, she broke the glass and those birds! Do you think that the Dauntless leaders noticed that she pulled a gun from nowhere? would anyone eles break the glass do you think? If i was in the situation of tris i would be very anxoius trying to act normal. Trying to see if mine was the same as everyone eleses and if it was good enough you know?
I was wondering the exact same thing. I don't understand how she got away with it.
I wish we had a explanation.
Do you think it was a flaw in the book; that the leaders didn't notice a thing? Or do you think that it was normal to manipulate the fear landscape and it was simply poorly explained?
I wish we had a explanation.
Do you think it was a flaw in the book; that the leaders didn't notice a thing? Or do you think that it was normal to manipulate the fear landscape and it was simply poorly explained?
Siskiyou-Suzy
Having thought about it a lot, I think it was a flaw. Having it be normal to manipulate the landscape undermines the seriousness of what Tris has been
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I keep thinking about that situation also and thank god I thought I was the only one who didn't understand the situation however after rereading the book several times i can only make one conclusion which is the writer made a mistake and the editors missed. It happens from time to time with the greatest writers eve J.K.Rowling made a mistake in the Harry Potter books series:)
The difference was that in regular simulations, she's awake when non-divergents aren't. In the fear landscape, it said once that everyone was awake during it, so everyone knew while they were in it that it was a simulation.
it's because during her fear landscape, when the leaders were watching, she acted like a dauntless, not like a divergent. in her fear landscape while being watched she went towards the fire and the birds don't like the fire. she also didn't break the glass that time. she stuffed her jacket in the tube where the water was coming from.
She's part erudite? She knows it's not real and that is why she keeps thinking it.
The whole reason is because she's too stubborn to accept it. She makes her own rules and I think that makes her Divergent. She doesn't go with the flow, she create her own waves.
Siskiyou-Suzy
I'm asking how she got away with doing a Divergent-only behavior in the open. I don't understand your answer because it doesn't address my question at
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