The Fellowship of the Ring
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Am I the only one who hates this book?
Anamika wrote: "Renee wrote: "Anamika wrote: "..,I have a reason for doing this. ..."So, Duane is right. There IS an agenda . . .
And what, pray tell, are you using us for?"
I'm not using you for anything.All I need is a yes or a no."
well, all us MERE "research subjects" need to know is, are you a Muscaria or a Phalloides?
Paintbrush (Nyx) wrote: "http://pinkie.ponychan.net/chan/files...That was the Balrog falling down."
Excellent!
Donna wrote: "Paintbrush (Nyx) wrote: "http://pinkie.ponychan.net/chan/files...That was the Balrog falling down."
Excellent!"
Why I'm glad you think so!
Anamika wrote: "Duane wrote: "Anamika wrote: "Renee wrote: "Anamika wrote: "..,I have a reason for doing this. ..."So, Duane is right. There IS an agenda . . .
And what, pray tell, are you using us for?"
I'm not using you for anything.All I need is a yes or a no.
My research concerns books,not humans.
..."
False.
Or, at best, disingenuous.
You are asking humans (and being obnoxiously supercilious going about it). You are not doing your research in books — at least not this part of it. Ergo, your research does concern and rely on humans and you ARE using Goodreads members.
And being an immature brat in the process.
It is polite and customary on a social site (unless you'd prefer to be a pariah, or in a more closely watched site, banned) to disclose and explain why one is fishing for answers and ask politely for participation.
Perhaps you're gathering data to include in the next generation of novel/story plug-and-produce programming?
Or is it something even more reprehensible?
Because the methodology you're using and your scornful treatment of members here couldn't lead any sensible person to a conclusion that you were working on something worthwhile.
Grow up and tell the truth.
Anamika wrote: "Alan wrote: "ALso? I'm 46 and I never use the word hate. It is the wrong word for me, I hate nothing. I dislike stuff, I see no appeal in other stuff. Hate? No. But hate has lost its power among th..."You hate LOTR & Anne Franks diary, that is sad.
And I agree HATE is a stupid emotion when applied towards arts.
And you seem to apply this "hate" shit to several books in which you know there is bound to be a strong reaction. I guess you are a bit of a shitstirrer.
Not worthy the time people spend upon you. And in the Anne Frank thread you already showed a severe lack of insight of literature and history.
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Anamika wrote: "I'm not using you for anything. All I need is a yes or a no...
My research concerns books, not humans."
Oh, you don't *say*... Your "Research" requires getting a Yes or a No from us, but it doesn't concern humans?
Please explain how that does not inescapably lead to the conclusion that you think everyone on this board is not a human?
Duane wrote: "Anamika wrote: "I'm not using you for anything. All I need is a yes or a no...
My research concerns books, not humans."
Oh, you don't *say*... Your "Research" requires getting a Yes or a No fro..."
It seems simple to me. She is doing research on a book, not on humans.
"Yes or no" is not "discussion" which is the category you signed on for when you started the thread.That's it from me. Moving on.
John wrote: "It seems simple to me. She is doing research on a book, not on humans. "It seems simple to me too - she has to get an answer from humans in order to conduct her (or more likely "their") "research". Therefore their "Research Results" are dependent on the answers received from the humans, which means... Wait for it... TADAA!! They're doing research on humans.
(The only other alternative, within an Aristotelian logic system at least, being that nobody who "Answers" is human...)
(OK, now, somebody weigh in and insist that there's a third alternative which is that the Amanita is actually a lizard from Betegeuse where Aristotelian logic doesn't apply because they're in a different space-time continuum... Go ahead, do it.... do it doitdoitdoitdoit)
AH DON'T FAKING CARE ABOUT ARISTOTLE. RARARRARARARARARARARARARA BARRELS!!!
Paintbrush (Nyx) (Gwen) (Clara) wrote: "AH DON'T FAKING CARE ABOUT ARISTOTLE. RARARRARARARARARARARARARA BARRELS!!!"My point exactly...
“The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference. The opposite of art is not ugliness, it's indifference. The opposite of faith is not heresy, it's indifference. And the opposite of life is not death, it's indifference.”― Elie Wiesel
What do you need a "Yes/No" answer to, Anamika? The original question in the thread title was
"Am I the only one who hates this book?"
Nobody can answer "Yes" to that, as nobody knows everyone's opinion. We already know that others "hate" it anyway, so really you're asking "Do you hate this book"?
If you get 85 "No" answers and 15 "Yes", what does that tell you exactly? My opinion on that is this: you would have learned precisely nothing. Nada. Squat. But what do you think you would have learned, pray tell?
"Am I the only one who hates this book?"
Nobody can answer "Yes" to that, as nobody knows everyone's opinion. We already know that others "hate" it anyway, so really you're asking "Do you hate this book"?
If you get 85 "No" answers and 15 "Yes", what does that tell you exactly? My opinion on that is this: you would have learned precisely nothing. Nada. Squat. But what do you think you would have learned, pray tell?
Buuuurrrn...
Screaaaamm, if you're looking for sensible information about LOTR or if you don't want to go nuts, JUST DON'T read this thread !!:-)
Anamika wrote: "A yes or no answer will be enough in your case.It's different with other people.I'm asking for others opinion to know more about literature and many more things.I need Goodreads members for that but honestly,I'm not going to use them as my guinea pigs...."
For starters, originating threads about books that are known to be venerated with "who else hates" or a similar title is either incredibly stupid or incredibly manipulative.
And your thesis: "asking for others' (that should have an apostrophe, it's possessive, btw) opinions to know about literature and many more things" is no answer at all. It doesn't mean anything.
What about literature do you want to know?
What other things?
What about the other things?
What is your motivation?
And honestly, do you even know what "honestly" means?
Anamika wrote: "A yes or no answer will be enough in your case.It's different with other people."Ah... OK. Well, when you get done answering Alan's question, regarding for what question you're asking for a "Yes" or "No" answer (since he pointed out with impeccable LOGIC that the question in your THREAD TITLE is MEANINGLESS), I would then like to know, since you now inform us that only certain people need to answer "Yes or No" to whatever (still unknown) question it is that you're asking, how anyone reading this thread is supposed to know in advance of answering your question, which group they are in - the ones who merely need to answer "Yes or No", or those who should elaborate in some fashion?
(Please note that "I'll Have To Get Back To You On That" is not a valid response to the foregoing unless you're trying to deliberately conceal an agenda, because since you're doing "Research", you must already *have* the answer to my question (and Alan's), the objective of the "research" having of course determined at the outset which questions are to be asked of what target populations, yes?)
What some people do, eh?
Paintbrush (Nyx) (Gwen) (Clara) wrote: "What some people do, eh?"https://www.youtube.com/embed/UyJInrb...
Anamika wrote: "I'm sorry about the yes or no answer.I actually wanted to tell that you can simply tell whether you share the same opinion or not.My connection is slow so I'll get back to you later."
Oh, does that mean "after I've talked to my bosses about how to dodge these questions?"
(heh... heh... heh... It attempts to escape through the Stargate... Little does it know the tracking device is implanted)
If I gave this book to my mother to read, she would probably be bored by the second page. She enjoys non-fiction classics, not fantasy.
The problem here is not the book, it is the audience.
It would be like feeding fillet mignon to a vegetarian and claiming it is Tofu!
Tolkien's work laid the foundation for almost all modern and hugely popular fantasy works exclusive of his own (the spiders in Harry Potter ring a bell, or even the antagonist Voldemort in the splitting of his power into an object/objects?).
Even in my own writing, try as I might to avoid the dangers of being derivative, I am sure there are some Tolkien-inspired sprinklings in there somewhere.
Even those not directly enthralled with his works most likely enjoy his legacy in some shape or form (the game Skyrim makes me feel like I am living Lord Of The Rings).
I would have to agree, ardent fan that I am of Tolkien, that the Fellowship of the Ring was the weakest of the three volumes, just like most first works of almost any series/trilogies, which lay their foundations for the sequels, can be a bit monotonous.
I think the biggest magic with Lord Of The Rings is that just about anyone, given the chance, can find a little bit of themselves in the amazing world he created. It raises fundamental questions of greed and lust for power (much like in our own world), how certain personalities respond to temptation, and the importance of friendship and love when it is most needed.
D.C. wrote: "I would have to agree, ardent fan that I am of Tolkien, that the Fellowship of the Ring was the weakest of the three volumes..."
See, there I would ardently disagree with you. Other than the Appendices (sic?) at the end of the third book the Fellowship is by FAR my favorite. I am no expert, of course, but I have read the series something like 30 times, so I am definitely a fan. Calling it weak is just a reflection of your likes and dislikes, not an objective judgement of the work. Not everyone likes action action action (not the second and third books, really, but certainly the movies). I love how Tolkien introduced me to the Fellowship in Fellowship.
See, there I would ardently disagree with you. Other than the Appendices (sic?) at the end of the third book the Fellowship is by FAR my favorite. I am no expert, of course, but I have read the series something like 30 times, so I am definitely a fan. Calling it weak is just a reflection of your likes and dislikes, not an objective judgement of the work. Not everyone likes action action action (not the second and third books, really, but certainly the movies). I love how Tolkien introduced me to the Fellowship in Fellowship.
Anamika wrote: "Bosses?I'm sorry but I'm downloading something else at the same time so the connection is slow.And would you mind repeating your questions again."*wonders which "connection" it is that's slow . . ."*
Okay. Since you either don't know how to scroll back or can't be assed to do so:
What do you need a "Yes/No" answer to, Anamika? The original question in the thread title was
"Am I the only one who hates this book?"
Nobody can answer "Yes" to that, as nobody knows everyone's opinion. We already know that others "hate" it anyway, so really you're asking "Do you hate this book"?
If you get 85 "No" answers and 15 "Yes", what does that tell you exactly? My opinion on that is this: you would have learned precisely nothing. Nada. Squat. But what do you think you would have learned, pray tell?
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You are asking humans (and being obnoxiously supercilious going about it). You are not doing your research in books — at least not this part of it. Ergo, your research does concern and rely on humans and you ARE using Goodreads members.
And being an immature brat in the process.
It is polite and customary on a social site (unless you'd prefer to be a pariah, or in a more closely watched site, banned) to disclose and explain why one is fishing for answers and ask politely for participation.
Perhaps you're gathering data to include in the next generation of novel/story plug-and-produce programming?
Or is it something even more reprehensible?
Because the methodology you're using and your scornful treatment of members here couldn't lead any sensible person to a conclusion that you were working on something worthwhile.
Grow up and tell the truth.
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Oh, you don't *say*... Your "Research" requires getting a Yes or a No from us, but it doesn't concern humans?
Please explain how that does not inescapably lead to the conclusion that you think everyone on this board is not a human?
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For starters, originating threads about books that are known to be venerated with "who else hates" or a similar title is either incredibly stupid or incredibly manipulative.
And your thesis: "asking for others' (that should have an apostrophe, it's possessive, btw) opinions to know about literature and many more things" is no answer at all. It doesn't mean anything.
What about literature do you want to know?
What other things?
What about the other things?
What is your motivation?
And honestly, do you even know what "honestly" means?
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Ah... OK. Well, when you get done answering Alan's question, regarding for what question you're asking for a "Yes" or "No" answer (since he pointed out with impeccable LOGIC that the question in your THREAD TITLE is MEANINGLESS), I would then like to know, since you now inform us that only certain people need to answer "Yes or No" to whatever (still unknown) question it is that you're asking, how anyone reading this thread is supposed to know in advance of answering your question, which group they are in - the ones who merely need to answer "Yes or No", or those who should elaborate in some fashion?
(Please note that "I'll Have To Get Back To You On That" is not a valid response to the foregoing unless you're trying to deliberately conceal an agenda, because since you're doing "Research", you must already *have* the answer to my question (and Alan's), the objective of the "research" having of course determined at the outset which questions are to be asked of what target populations, yes?)
D.C. wrote: "If I gave this book to my mother to read, she would probably be bored by the second page. She enjoys non-fiction classics, not fantasy.
The problem here is not the book, it is the audience.
It wo..."
I agree with D.C.
Keith wrote: "D.C. wrote: "I would have to agree, ardent fan that I am of Tolkien, that the Fellowship of the Ring was the weakest of the three volumes..."See, there I would ardently disagree with you. Other ..."
So TTT and ROTK were inferior and nothing but action then?
I think you hit it on the head by stating "by FAR my favourite". Can you be objective on why this is (just one factual example will do)? Fantasy is a subjective creature, stirring emotions within us in a way we cannot quite explain. How do you objectively evaluate things not subject to the real world and natures laws that never happened?
I do not prescribe to primarily enjoying action action action either, I loved "The Man From Earth"!
Oh, and though I mentioned weakest, that in no way implied "weak". It is a relative term. I do have to say that the beginning part with Tom Bombadil was awesome in the first book, and a crime it was left out of the movie!
I appreciate and await your reply in this debate :-)
Respectfully, and with thanks!
D.C.
D.C. wrote: So TTT and ROTK were inferior and nothing but action then?"
I was actually responding to your contention that the first book was "the weakest of the three volumes". You made a value statement about the relative merits of the Fellowship, not me. On what do you base your "weak" opinion? And as I said, the movies much more than the books seem to be simply action.
I love all three of the books, though my favorite is the first. And while I certainly have no "factual example" (because I am not trying to win a debate- I am correct when I say that Fellowship is my favorite) I said in my previous post that I like how the Fellowship was introduced (throughout the book) to me as a reader. As well as much of the background for the coming war. My favorite chapter of the book is probably "The Council of Elrond". Frodo standing up and saying he will go is probably the high-point of the series for me, closely followed by Eowyn realizing she loves Faramir (my boy!).
That is why the Fellowship is my favorite and why I disagree that is is "the weakest of the three".
I was actually responding to your contention that the first book was "the weakest of the three volumes". You made a value statement about the relative merits of the Fellowship, not me. On what do you base your "weak" opinion? And as I said, the movies much more than the books seem to be simply action.
I love all three of the books, though my favorite is the first. And while I certainly have no "factual example" (because I am not trying to win a debate- I am correct when I say that Fellowship is my favorite) I said in my previous post that I like how the Fellowship was introduced (throughout the book) to me as a reader. As well as much of the background for the coming war. My favorite chapter of the book is probably "The Council of Elrond". Frodo standing up and saying he will go is probably the high-point of the series for me, closely followed by Eowyn realizing she loves Faramir (my boy!).
That is why the Fellowship is my favorite and why I disagree that is is "the weakest of the three".
Keith wrote: "D.C. wrote: So TTT and ROTK were inferior and nothing but action then?"I was actually responding to your contention that the first book was "the weakest of the three volumes". You made a value s..."
Moving on...
D.C. Moving on..."
So I guess you didn't really wish to have a discussion, correct?
So I guess you didn't really wish to have a discussion, correct?
Wow, it's amazing how a contentious thread like this attracts so many posts. Just shows the staunch following LOTR has!My last post on this thread so as not to clog it up, promise ;-)
I didn't even finish it. But according to goodreads I did, just so that I could rate it one star :)
FOR 30 POINTS... !!...HOW many times has the Amanita said "I'll Get Back To You", in its stupendous record of thread evasions?
AND!!! For another *40* points...
HOW many questions has it simply FAILED to answer, in all those threads!!!!!
TIck tick tick tick... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....
HEY I Know what - Next time it posts another "Why Do You Hate/Like/Whatever This/That/Whatever, let's just all flashmob it with 473,176,582 posts saying
"I'll Get Back To You"
"I'll Get Back To You"
"I'll Get Back To You"
"I'll Get Back To You"
"I'll Get Back To You"
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I've never read it, I really want to, but what I do hate is that my editions have tiny print. So my answer to your question is a solid "kind of".
(reference post #267) Anamika wrote: "I have a few more discussions to deal with so I might miss some questions.What about literature do you want to know?
Everything
What other things?
I'm sorry what?
What about the other things?
S..."
So, “everything” about literature? I’d suggest you shut up, start reading, learn to think beyond “I hate this book” and think analytically. I’d suggest starting with learning to think.
The "other things" you said you wanted to know, back in an earlier post. (Here's your chance to demonstrate your alleged ability to scroll, as you seem to have memory problems regarding your own words. (see post #242: “I'm asking for others opinion to know more about literature and many more things.I need Goodreads members for that but honestly,I'm not going to use them as my guinea pigs.”
post #218: I have a reason for doing this. And just in case you're wondering, I did make a discussion about my favorite books.
Howzabout a link to said discussion . . . and remember, the date you post it will appear, so making one now isn’t going to work.
You are asking humans (and being obnoxiously supercilious going about it). You are not doing your research in books — at least not this part of it. Ergo, your research does concern and rely on humans and you ARE using Goodreads members.
That's what you think.
What's your next pseudo-answer? "So what?" Maybe "so's your mama?" Or "that's what she said?"
So, take a stab at some legitimate answers . . . if you can.
Wait. I'll make it easier for you. This should cover it:
Hahaha no you are not the only one! Other fantasy readers look at me like I just drop-kicked a puppy when I say it, but gosh these books were just not very good. There might have been the bones of a good story but - gosh get an editor!
Drop-kicked a puppy. :D Like when I say I don't like chocolate cake, chocolate ice-cream, or apple pie.
Anamika wrote: "I never understood why this book is worshiped so much.I don't know about everyone but I feel that it is too long and boring.I doubt anyone else feels the same.But yet,why is this like the greatest ..."Iris wrote: "This book is trapped between awesome and lame. This is because the story that it is telling is awesome, and adventurous and original and well thought out. But the way the author wrote it is torture..."
Chris wrote: "Hmm.
Yes, Tolkien can be long winded. But that depth is part of what makes his books so fascinating. He's writing a history. He's writing about a time and a place, and he does it with incredible c..."
I'm not a fan of it. I like my fantasy briskly paced and filled with action, and LotR is anything but. Half the books are descriptions of people and places and history, like Tolkien built a world in his mind and added in the story only because writing about Middle Earth in encyclopedia format wouldn't sell. I remember reading it the first time in high school and thinking, "Feels like we're a hundred pages in, and we're still at a birthday party? Get ON with it, already!" I understand why some like it, but it's not for me.
Anamika wrote: "Alright.I will give the links.https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
And I'm planning to make a few more in October...."
All right. There's a start. We've now established that your connection is adequate for finding what suits you.
So, there's the matter of those other questions re-listed in post #257, evaded in post 267.
Take another shot at it.
One thing you've shown us, you've zero imagination.
Okay, two things. You think everyone here — besides yourself, of course — is stupid.
D.C. wrote: "Wow, it's amazing how a contentious thread like this attracts so many posts. Just shows the staunch following LOTR has!My last post on this thread so as not to clog it up, promise ;-)"
NO, no no... You don't understand! The more Humans here, the better!
You see, the Amanita *thinks* it's conducting research on us Humans, but what it doesn't realize is that WE are researching IT. We've recently discovered that in reality, it's actually an alien funguslike organism, sent here from a distant star system in spore form to "Study" us, and now it's trying to "Gather Information" to send back through its network of infected planets in preparation for a full scale invasion of Earth!!
But what it doesn't realize is that a clandestine group of us are *onto* its nefarious plan, and are using it to transmit "Disinformatsiya" back to its gruesome parentoid "Motherform" halfway across the galaxy! So when the main spore pod attack force arrives here to turn Earth into one giant festering blob of mycelia (fertilized with rotting human carcasses), it's going to get a reception of a giant aerosol cloud of "Agent Black" ("Agent Orange"'s Halloween partner, that MELTS fungi on contact...)
Meanwhile, the more humans on this thread, from whom it's collecting its supposed "Data", the better! We control its timetable by increasing or decreasing the noise level into its receptors, and now is the time for lots of noise, while we continue to study its constructors!!
(NICE puddytat, Renee...)
I didn't hate it but I quickly put it aside. My son loves it as it seems do most people.
Notice how the majority of people naysaying the books are brain dead millennials who apparently need nonstop action and pretty, sparkly effects and easy to digest "See Spot Run" prose for their feeble minds to grasp.
If it matters Chris, I'm 32 and there are plenty of works of dense fiction that I enjoy. But I guess it's easier to dismiss criticism of something you enjoy if you just lump all the critics into a group of people you feel you are superior to.Hey, I get it. Dealing with actual ideas is tough.
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