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Pam's comment at the end of book 9: What do you make of it?
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Oct 15, 2009 08:24PM
I truly don't mean to offend anybody but I believe that just the fact of Sookie ingesting Eric's blood(which saved her life) could possibly be like a metaphorical equivalent to taking the blood and body of Christ. For Christ lives on through us after communion. I am by no means comparing these Sookie books to the Bible or any religion. My point was simply Clancy provided sustenance/healing for Bill, while Eric like wise provided Sookie's healing. I'm sure that if Clancy had survived they would still have felt the same way, because Clancy's blood/life essence was consumed by Bill. I think Vamps consumption of blood fuses into their bodies more so then humans do with food. We for one do go to the bathroom. It seems like vamps just absorb their nutrients completely, therefore Clancy would presumably live on in Bill. As for Eric's blood it too was absorbed, for the chunks the Fairies had bitten off were healing and filling in. So in fact every time Sookie looks at a spot that is healed instead of maimed from the Fairies, she is looking at a bit of Eric.
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Eric tells Sookie more then once that he knows exactly how much blood is required to turn her into a vamp and that he will not change her, because she (Sookie) made it very clear that she doesn't every want to be a vamp even if she's dying. Also the blood bond does fade over time. That tid bit is repeated through multiple books, but I'm sure now that she's had quit a bit more then her usual amount it's gonna take an extra long time before it starts to fade.
By the way as much as I love Eric, I believe Bill is the best one out of the two. He has gone through his own personal Dante's Inferno. He is in love with Sookie and now truly values her. Albeit he had to loose her to realize what he had, but even then he still did not truly know her worth. examples: saving him from Lorena, then the hotel,and still not telling the Bellefleurs, and even when he was trying to be underhanded using Selah to make Sookie jealous she still attempted to remain good and kind like her grandmother taught her.
I asked Charlaine Harris about this at Bitten-by-books's webchat today...She said she thought it was perfectly clear what it meant when she wrote it, but was mistaken. She also said she doesn't like to explain. hehe
Maybe we've just all reading too much into it. *grin*
Lol. I always figured it didn't have any sinister deeper meaning. When people started speculating it had negative implications for Eric's health, I started freaking out, hoping they were wrong! She seems to be tired of all the blood questions in general, from what I've seen on other sites.
I think if I were her I'd be sorta tired of all the digging too. I mean its great that her books are so popular and her characters so loved that they evoke this sort of following. But at the same time, she worked hard on these books and here we go pickign them apart and analyzing them. And then wanting her to explain stuff that is probably meant to be wondered about and discovered as the books progress.
It sounded pretty signifigant to me! "As you will live on in Sookie"...that says DEATH to me in big letters or else BABY. It isn't clear so it makes sense someone would ask. I sometimes think she takes it really personally...Id be flattered if someone spent so much time caring about what I wrote.
long time no see...hope everyone is doing good.i skipped a bunch of posts so i hope im not repeating.
i think pams comment means that the bond is permanent.
eric will live on in sookie by the blood he has given her, and i think she is as close to being a vampire as the real thing.
i dont think it is going to be as drastic as we all think it is.
I think it is the blood bond that Pam was talking about also. When you make that bond you start feeling the others emotions, so the stronger the bond the more intune you are to the other. I think when Eric told Sook that she was killing him that he meant breaking his heart for not being there and maybe some literally by her emotions she was putting through while being torture. I do think Pam saw some weakness in Eric by making the bond & fallin for Sookie and that was par of the reason she made the comment.
Jinnifer wrote: "I think it is the blood bond that Pam was talking about also. When you make that bond you start feeling the others emotions, so the stronger the bond the more intune you are to the other. I think ..."Speaking of Eric not being there for Sookie while she was being tortured.......I'm dying to find out where the heck he was during all that time. Eric told Sookie he had a good explanation and I damn well wanna hear it.
Jessa wrote: "Jinnifer wrote: "I think it is the blood bond that Pam was talking about also. When you make that bond you start feeling the others emotions, so the stronger the bond the more intune you are to th..."
Right...I do honestly think that is was a legit reason even if Sookie doesn't fully understand when he tells her. I don't like Sookie in the HBO series at all but she is better in the books.
You remember when Bill left because Lorena called him and he didn't have a choice. I think it might have been something along those lines, even though Eric's maker is dead. Which I am not a fan of Bills especially after he pretty well ignored Sookie when he was doing the directory of vamps.
I can't wait til the next book comes out!!!! I am going to go back and read the last couple of books just so I can remember whats going on...its been a while since I read them.
Right...I do honestly think that is was a legit reason even if Sookie doesn't fully understand when he tells her. I don't like Sookie in the HBO series at all but she is better in the books.
You remember when Bill left because Lorena called him and he didn't have a choice. I think it might have been something along those lines, even though Eric's maker is dead. Which I am not a fan of Bills especially after he pretty well ignored Sookie when he was doing the directory of vamps.
I can't wait til the next book comes out!!!! I am going to go back and read the last couple of books just so I can remember whats going on...its been a while since I read them.
I'm with you, Jinnifer, about the Bill thing. I was totally po'd about Bill and Lorena but that was forgivable compared to his other betrayal. Bill shot straight to the bottom of my likable list beginning with his betrayal and he stayed there due to the way he kept putting everyone and everything before Sookie. For example: His work on the directory, giving loads of money to the Bellfleurs because he found out they were long lost family. Sookie sure could have used some of that money for a new driveway or home repairs....oh, but wait, Eric took care of that for her. *wink wink*
Jinnifer, Eric's maker is dead now in the show, but in the book universe, he's alive. He's going to show up in the next book!
Jessa wrote: "I'm with you, Jinnifer, about the Bill thing. I was totally po'd about Bill and Lorena but that was forgivable compared to his other betrayal. Bill shot straight to the bottom of my likable list ..."
NO DOUBT!!!! Bill has racked up a list of poo under his name in my opinion!!
NO DOUBT!!!! Bill has racked up a list of poo under his name in my opinion!!
Michelle M. wrote: "Jinnifer, Eric's maker is dead now in the show, but in the book universe, he's alive. He's going to show up in the next book!"
Oh you are so right!!! I am sorry! I guess thats the problem when you watch the show and read the books right. Thanks for the clarification! :)
Oh you are so right!!! I am sorry! I guess thats the problem when you watch the show and read the books right. Thanks for the clarification! :)
I think it kind of referred back to when he lost his memory and ow he was THEN lives on through Sookie. Sookie doesn't like Eric much the way he usually is, but she kinda fell in love with him when he lost his memory. Thats just me though lol
I have finally read Dead and Gone and considered what the phrase means. I think that since Eric and Sokkie have shared blood they have a connection more than just sharing blood. They now have a much more deeper connection. We can really only speculate and have to wait for the next book.
Wow, I am surprised the line has caused so much debate. When I read it I just figured it meant living on emotionally. She said it quietly, "and you live on in Sookie." I didn't think it was foreshadowing, I think another part of Eric long-dead has awoken because of his emotions toward Sookie, and he has a different side of life now (so to speak).I'm curious about the next book, as always. I'm curious on Eric's maker and how it's going to affect his relationship with Sookie, and how it's going to be with Bill since the end of book 10, and the emotional struggles from the ordeal Sookie went through.
For some reason, Eric's maker gives me the creeps and we haven't even met him/her yet. I don't think it is a good thing when one's maker shows up.
Jessa wrote: "Jinnifer wrote: "I think it is the blood bond that Pam was talking about also. When you make that bond you start feeling the others emotions, so the stronger the bond the more intune you are to th..."I agree!
Interesting thread! I absolutely love these books and liked Book 9 best of all of them. Well, actually book 8 and book 9! I was dreadfully sad that Claudine was killed, but found the story compelling and it left me with lots of anxiety about what's going to happen next. I'm rooting for Eric and Sookie big time; never did like Bill much - never thought he was sexy or that he respected Sookie as much as Eric seems to in his strange way. Oh yes, he's manipulated her a few times, but she always lets him have it and he levels with her.I thought Pam's comment must be significant, but it never occured to me that Eric was sick. I thought it meant that the bond had become more or less permanent.
I think Eric's age and the fact that vampires no doubt become inured to loss, as Sookie once speculated, has made it hard for him to truly love Sookie or to admit that he loves her. I'm hoping that he does realize it at some point, and maybe that's what Pam's alluding to. She does seem to be the one who has more insight into their relationship than either Eric or Sookie does.
I'm very happy to see Sookie say that she loves him in the next book. It will be interesting to see how it develops.
I'm aware that there are lots of vampire books and lots of vampire movies and TV shows, but this is the only series that I've truly become addicted to. I'm a sucker for a love story and I'm hooked on Sookie and Eric. I MUCH prefer the books to the TV show, BTW.
Lauren wrote: "It sounded pretty signifigant to me! "As you will live on in Sookie"...that says DEATH to me in big letters or else BABY. It isn't clear so it makes sense someone would ask. I sometimes think she t..."First let me say hi, I'm new to the site!
I thought the same thing too, only beacuse of the preview chapter. CH has said thats impossible to conceive but the title "family", Sookie's longing for children, the mention of her friend Tara's pregnancy, and OB, (which BTW how would Sookie know a good OB?)make me go huh?
Hmmmm, interesting ideas Lissa. I am so waiting for this next book! cantwaitcantwaitcantwaitcantwait.....
I know that she can't get pregnant by a vamp, but I saw the kid foreshadowing in the last book too. I keep waiting for her to end up with a shifter because of it.
Or she got pregnant from that faerie dude in the short story, LOLOLOLOL.... Just to stir the pot... bwahahahaha
Sandra wrote: "Or she got pregnant from that faerie dude in the short story, LOLOLOLOL.... Just to stir the pot... bwahahahaha"You people are lovin' that rogue wolf!
I took it as their bond is so strong that he is starting to feel more, like her emotions and his own emotions as well.
Oh Sandra wouldn't that be something!--that would make it an extra christmas present wouldn't it!I think the line by Pam is about Eric & Sookie's bond I think its become too much and I do wonder too about him "feeling" her torture.But then again it could be his Sire/Maker doesn't want Eric & Sookie together and kept him away?
May needs to get here fast!
Susie, I think it would be wonderful!I'm sure Eric's maker is going to throw a kink into things as well as whatever relative of Sookie's is lurking about in the woods!
I finely broke down and bought the darn book yesterday! I don't think that there really is any meaning too Pam's comment other than Sookie has Eric's blood. Kinda like...how man and woman become "one" when married.
Amber wrote: "Michelle M. wrote: "I don't think the blood exchange will alter Bill's personality. We haven't seen any evidence that receiving a vamp's blood changes another's core being, just makes them more vul..."I have to agree with this. It seems to be a plausible theory.
It would go with "you're killing me" as well...
I love Sookie being with Eric. I just hope nothing will happen to him. Since it would cause Sookie alot of pain... Physical AND emotional!
I do wonder what will be the storyline... especially with the first chapter online... I'm worried I won't like it... :S
I liked Preston in "Gift Wrapped" Though he wasn't really a werewolf, he was a fairy.
Jayme-i'm right there with you-bring in preston the fairy to help make sookie happy again!!! after reading the first chapter, you can tell that sookie is depressed, and someone needs to step in an help her get her groove back, I would love eric too, but it seems like he will be preoccupied.....so send in preston (from the short story)
I wish I had a nice grandfather to send me a guy for Christmas. :)
Ok, Ok, before anyone replies, know that I know that vamps can't have kids; but in my little fantasy world it would awesome if that was a premonition to Eric and Sookie having kids. She was sick a lot throughout the story. (Hmm...Quinn, maybe) LOL. Ok, I know, back to reality. I do think it has a lot to do with the blood he's given her as the Clancy-Bill relates directly to that line of thinking.
Well Sookie did have thoughts that said Eric was definitely the one she'd like to father her kids if she had any. Then she shook herself and said don't be silly or something of the sort.
There's been so many references to kiddies! Part of me feels it's foreshadowing, but who on earth would be the baby daddy?
Preston! That's my vote.
The Flooze (Michelle M.) wrote: "There's been so many references to kiddies! Part of me feels it's foreshadowing, but who on earth would be the baby daddy?"I can only think of two.
Sam, Alcide or Quinn
As long as Sam is her boss, we have to forget it.
With Alcide, I think that's impossible since he's mad at her about the Debbie thing. Well technically, she did kill his ex-girlfriend. I guess he has a right to be mad... Maybe not for too long. :P
And as long as Quinn has "family issues", we have to forget it also...
Oh and there's Calvin Norris as well. But I think he's too old for her. Huh, I can't believe I just wrote that, since Eric is 1000 years old... LOL
Am I forgetting someone?
Who would be the most suitable daddy?
Good grief, she killed Debbie in self defense. I don't think that gives him a right to be mad at her.
I agree. Debbie was going to shoot Sookie. Then Alcide would have been Oh Debbie didn't mean it. Plus Debbie was CHEATING on Alcide.
Oh, Alcide is just all sorts of warped! I don't know who the father would be either. I agree that all those people seem quite outside the realm of possibility. It's more a niggly feeling I'm having!
I like Sam to be the father :)
Her grandfather could send her another "present" and a few weeks late she could find out she's with child. Best of both worlds. She gets a baby and is still free of man commitment.
yeah his name is Preston :) But then the town would talk about how that came to be.
I know it was Preston, but Niall could send a different one. Yeah, people would talk, but in a town like Bon Temps, I can't imagine it's all that out of the ordinary for a young, single, pretty girl to show up pregnant.
I hope she does have Preston's child. Although isn't the gateway between the fairy world and human world sealed now?
Didn't Niall close the portal to fairy? I'm pretty sure he did.
yeah Sandra, I thought it was.
