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Pam's comment at the end of book 9: What do you make of it?
I would have to read that part of the book carfully. That does not seem to make sense. I would have to read the exact text. Given that Clancy died and Eric did not. Is because Eric did not really participate much in the fighting in Dead and Gone. It was Clancy and Bill who took out the Faries. Bill kicked serious ass unamared when he killed the assasin Naeve unarmed. Also when he took Sookies trowel and while gravely wounded struck the first killing blow to Brendan the Fairy Prince. Bill is a bad ass fighter and came through that enconter very well. I can't remember Eric taking out anyone. But I like all the characters equally and don't play favorites. I like Eric, and totally dig Bill, and I like Quinn,Pam,and Bubba. Matter of fact I wish Bubba would have been in on the final fight with the Faeries. It was really a bitch that Tray and Claudine got killed. Especially Claudine Sookies fairy god mother who protected her from so much harm. What will Sookie do without Claudine?
I am afraid that Pam might be alluding to her opinion that Eric will not live much longer, for any number of reasons. I really, really hope I am wrong.
I am a Bill fan but none the less. I like Eric allot to and I just can't see Eric getting offed. Sookie,Bill,Eric,Pam. I would disturb me allot if any of them died. I can't believe Charlaine wrote Claudine out. That just goes to show anyone is vulnerable. Charlaines last book Dead and Gone pissed allot of people off.
Yeah, the more I read her books, the more I am afraid that there will not be a Happy Ending, or at least not my definition of a Happy Ending.
Charlaine has said that she's not going to give the characters a happy ending as much as an ending that will make sense and fit. Like real life, endings are not really happy or neat! Sorry!As for Pam's comment, since I can't see Charlaine suddenly offing Eric, I read it as a commentary on how deep Eric has allowed his bond and connection to go with Sookie. If he thought they were bound too tightly in Rhodes, imagine how much stronger the bond must be now! Even though Pam likes Sookie, it's no secret that Eric's connection to our telepath worries Pam almost as much as it amuses her!
I think Pam was just saying that sookie had a lot of eric's blood in her,the way Bill had drunk a lot of Clancy's in order to survive.
I agree with Michelle. At this point, Sookie is filled to the brim (so to speak) with Eric's blood. The connection between the two is as strong as it can be without turning Sookie.
There's something else I wonder a little about. Bill had a lot of Clancy's blood. Clancy *really* did not like humans in general and Sookie in particular. Could this mean that Bill might change a little in that regard?
Cindy wrote: "There's something else I wonder a little about. Bill had a lot of Clancy's blood. Clancy *really* did not like humans in general and Sookie in particular. Could this mean that Bill might change ..."That is an interesting point Cindy.
Bill only had Clancys blood one time. I kinda doubt Clancys blood will aftect Bill at all. Sookie has had blood from Bill a couple times, and a couple times from Eric. When she was attacked by the maenaed it took blood from Bill, Eric, Pam, and Chow to pull her through. I think both Bill and Eric can live on in Sookie. If you really want to play favorites. You could say hey, Bill was the first to give Sookie blood and had done so twice before Eric gave her blood. Or you could say well Erics given her blood more times than Bill. You could argue it out all kinda ways.
Cary wrote: " Bill only had Clancys blood one time. I kinda doubt Clancys blood will aftect Bill at all. Sookie has had blood from Bill a couple times, and a couple times from Eric. When she was attacked by the..."Sookie has had blood from Eric (and vice versa) in large amounts more times than I can count. This number far exceeds the swaps between her and Bill or anyone else. So it is not a question of favorites but fact.
Bill was first. The vampire blood influence wears off. But like I mentioned if enough blood is repeatedly given it could be permanent. Eric has figured every way maipulate Sookie into drinking his blood. So is their love really true love? Bill I think can do way better than Sookie. Matter of fact Bill and Pam should hook up. Now that would be interesting.
When Sookie was attacked, she only got human blood at her insistence, the vamps sucked the poison out, and she got a human transfusion.
Sookie hadn't had much of Eric's blood when she developed feelings for him. Since then, she's had more so her feelings have simply intensified.
I don't think the blood exchange will alter Bill's personality. We haven't seen any evidence that receiving a vamp's blood changes another's core being, just makes them more vulnerable to the vamp's direct influence...and with Clancy being dead, I think Bill will remain the mainstreaming fan of humans.Anyone else feel that the more ceremonial nature of Eric and Sookie's blood bond strengthens the tie? I have to look up when, but I recall thinking the vamps were studiously avoiding answering her query of "this is going to wear off, right?" I think the blood "bond" is permanent, as opposed to the blood "tie" she shared with Bill.
Michelle M. wrote: "I don't think the blood exchange will alter Bill's personality. We haven't seen any evidence that receiving a vamp's blood changes another's core being, just makes them more vulnerable to the vamp'..."I agree with the fact that Clany's influence is none existent since he is dead, that makes sense to me.
I also agree that the blood bond is permanent between Eric and Sookie now and I think that is where we are headed in the books to come. Obviously, Eric has had Sookie's blood more times and at greater amounts then Bill did, and vice versa. That is why Harris brought in the discussion about the human slave & Dracula. Once there has been to much exchange the human slave "must be put down", rather than changed into a vampire. I think this is how we know the chances of Sookie becoming a vamp are slim.
I am wondering if Pam's remark (the topic of this forum) means that Eric is putting his own life at risk by continuing to increase the blood bond? Maybe when Sookie was calling to Eric when she was getting tortured, the reason he didn't first is because the bond goes both ways and he was incapacitated by the pain she was sending his way. So, he told Nyall he was going to have to send Bill due to him being submerged in Sookie's pain. Nyall is aware of this sacrifice and that is why he knows Eric loves Sookie.
Amber wrote: "Michelle M. wrote: "I don't think the blood exchange will alter Bill's personality. We haven't seen any evidence that receiving a vamp's blood changes another's core being, just makes them more vul..."I would be willing to believe that.
Michelle M. wrote: "I don't think the blood exchange will alter Bill's personality. We haven't seen any evidence that receiving a vamp's blood changes another's core being, just makes them more vulnerable to the vamp'..."The reason I wonder is because Ms. Harris makes such a big deal of Clancy being irate about Eric putting him at risk for a human woman, irate enough to ask to be released from fealty to Eric. Why would she bother if it wasn't going to be any kind of issue in the future and Clancy's just going to die anyway? And then, of course, there's Pam's remark.
I'm not sure I'm going to be able to wait until May 2010.
The comment at the end of the book really freaked me out.... I am afraid Eric is "sick" or something. Sookie is part fey and Eric did ingest a lot of her blood. We have no idea what kind of affect that might have on a vampire since most of them can't get that close to fairies. Could it be Sookie's blood is making Eric more human? Which is putting him in jeopardy with the vampire heirarchy? I remember Eric's minions saying something about not being thrilled about having to protect Eric's human. Also, where was Eric when Sookie was being tortured? I think something major was going on to hold him up. Also, when Sookie told Eric that she kept waiting for him to save her, he said "your killing me". I took it as an expression at the time, but maybe it is more literal than we think?
Cindy wrote: "Michelle M. wrote: "I don't think the blood exchange will alter Bill's personality. We haven't seen any evidence that receiving a vamp's blood changes another's core being, just makes them more vul..."Good point about Clancy request...hummm I don't think I can wait!!
I did find out some things on the threads through Harris' website.
--Sookie was named for Ms. Harris’s grandmother’s best friend.
--Ms. Harris is fine with what HBO and Alan Ball have done with her characters (making them more juicy). “Yes, I am very happy,” she said.
--It is not true that she knew who Sookie would ultimately end up with before she started writing the series.
--Quinn is not in the next book
--Alcide is in chapters 1 and 2 of the next book (which she is still writing)
--Eric’s sire will be in the next book.
--She thinks Anna is “fabulous.”
--In “Must Love Hellhounds” anthology, we’ll see the Britlingers again – she had a lot of fun writing them.
--The next short story in the spring will be a vacation – “Two Blonds...” (I think) starring Sookie and Pam.
--Favorite character from True Blood is Jessica. She said she looks at Jessica and “wish I thought of that.” Having a teenager just graduated fromhigh school, she can relate to her.
Bill will be very, very sick from silver poisoning for awhile in book 10.
Sookie’s Experience at the End of Dead & Gone
“That’s pretty close to rock bottom. ” Charlaine struggles with finding the right details to convey the horror of the situation without causing the reader to slam the book shut and quit reading. Although the physical wounds are pretty much healed at the end of Dead & Gone, we will see the emotional aftermath in Book 10.
Book 10
So far, Book 10 begins 2 months after the end of Dead & Gone. “But that’s subject to change!”
Also, it is confirmed that there will be 13 books and book 10 starts 2 months after book 9 ends.
Also supposedly in book 10 Eric is "Large and in Charge" ...so maybe we will okay...phew!
Shit. I knew Eric's sire would show up sooner rather than later. I think pointing out Clancy's displeasure at having to protect a human was just an expression of the usual vamp condescending attitude toward humans in general. To protect one implies a relationship of equality and even a servitude that Clancy and many other vamps would find abhorrent. Might come up again if Eric's sire thinks Eric's attachment to Sookie makes him weak.
Amber, I said almost the same thing about Eric's whereabouts when Sookie needed to be saved from the Fae! I think it was more a problem of emotional incapacity though. I'm not 100%, but I think CH said that pain itself couldn't be transferred through their link. But surely Sookie's feelings of utter despair, lack of hope and desire to die would be transmitted, especially since she mentions trying to purposefully broadcast to him. I think she opened the floodgates and he couldn't cope with the onslaught of emotions. If that's the case, and Pam witnessed his incapacity, her comment could relate just to his heightened vulnerability now.
I think Pam's comment means that Sookie's enahncements from Eric's blood aren't going to wear off like they have in the past. Maybe it is going to be a permanent "upgrade"
Heather wrote: "I think Pam's comment means that Sookie's enahncements from Eric's blood aren't going to wear off like they have in the past. Maybe it is going to be a permanent "upgrade""Sounds like the best possible interpretation. Keeping my fingers crossed that's the case.
Christ I could never take those books that seriously. I like Erics character allot. I like Bills allot also. In the TV TrueBlood I really don't like Pam nearly as well as the book Pam. Lafayette is a nobody in the books. In the series TrueBlood he is a scene stealer. But yeah I read those books for fun. I can't let them take up to much of my real life.
Cary wrote: " Christ I could never take those books that seriously. I like Erics character allot. I like Bills allot also. In the TV TrueBlood I really don't like Pam nearly as well as the book Pam. Lafayette i..."Cary, you have said that you don't let the books take up too much of your life quite often, yet to me it looks like just the opposite. You sure post an awful lot (and have no problem telling other people how seriously THEY take the books) for someone who doesn't take the books too seriously. In my opinion, you seem to take the books more seriously than anyone else here, always trying to push Bill and your other "views" on everyone, like it actually effects you in real life. It's rather disconcerting. I'm not trying to offend. Just sayin'!
I love to read. I have plenty of time to post because I am retired and on disability. This gives me plenty of time to take pain meds and seditives(hence the spelling errors), read, play guitar, take care of my pet bearded dragon lizards, and take camping and hiking trips. When I get my back pay from SSDI I am going off to Mexico for awhile. For the Day of the Dead October 31 through Novemeber 2 I wont be around at all. I have emailed the states from Mexican internet cafe's before however. So I guess I'll be wanting to know whats up on TrueBlood while I am gone to Mexico. LOL. I am not trying to push my views on anyone. I just hate seeing Bill get ganged up on. I always take the side of the underdog in any fight. I don't take the Sookie books that seriously. Right now I am more concerned with getting food for my dragon. I just like people to know that there are lots of really great vampire stories out there. I like to speculate about the characters on TrueBlood its fun. Acting funny and I don't know why. Scuze me while I kiss the sky. Purple Haze help me! LOL
Ok, A. No one wants to hear about your addiction to drugsB. What does YOUR lifestyle have to do with anything?
C. Shouldn't a GOOD book make you emotionally invested in the characters and their lives?
D. We're all just doing this for fun. Obviously.
Oh and,
E. Your "disabilities" have nothing to do with anything so stop excusing yourself with them. You're not the only person in here that's disabled. I'm twenty years old and I'm disabled. I've had a stroke and everything, so I don't need to hear about it. Stick to the subject at hand.
Cary, you do seem to take things very seriously, rigidly & are quick to make the negative comment. You have this image in yoru head of how vamps should be, and anything outside that you will staunchly proclaim as wrong. You think we are taking things seriously here but we're not. This is like a book club. Treat it as though we're all sitting around a cafe table drinking coffee and chatting. Its not serious, or heavy. Its not a right or wrong. Its just a fun light discussion of the book we've all read and our interpretations of what things meant (or did they mean anything at all??).
Amber wrote: "Michelle M. wrote: "I don't think the blood exchange will alter Bill's personality. We haven't seen any evidence that receiving a vamp's blood changes another's core being, just makes them more vul..."I like your idea on why Eric couldn't help Sookie when she was being tortured.
And Amber, thanks for the Harris update about the next book ! Appreciate it!
Jessica wrote: "Cary, you do seem to take things very seriously, rigidly & are quick to make the negative comment. You have this image in yoru head of how vamps should be, and anything outside that you will staun..."Well my appologies I didn't think I was being anymore heavy handed than anyone else. I like Bill and I like sticking up for him even though its not politicaly correct in this group to do so. I love going against the grain. Truth be told it is all just fun. If I wanted to read serious vampire books. I would go to Dracula or Carmilla. Indeed Sookie Stackhouse is just for fun. We all have our favorites and I am having fun sticking up for Bill tra la la. I hope your having as wonderful a day as I am.
Allison wrote: "Ok, A. No one wants to hear about your addiction to drugsB. What does YOUR lifestyle have to do with anything?
C. Shouldn't a GOOD book make you emotionally invested in the characters and their li..."
Thats what I am trying to do be funny. Calling me a drug addict just shows what a narrow minded person you are. How sad I do have a life outside this. I like letting people know who I am. Then you have an idea about me. I am just not another generic internet person. You are just jealous in your unidentifiable shallow world. Name calling and charater assasination. Drug addict. How low class a person you are. If you were confident in your self you would not have to stoop to such a chessy level. I feel sorry for you. But I hope you are having a great day.
I find it interesting that you think Bill is so hated here, when there is a group of us (albeit smaller than Eric's) who are very much Team Bill. I think you just come off as somewhat confrontational, and given that everything is in text here, its often hard to get tone of voice etc.
Cary wrote: "Jessica wrote: "Cary, you do seem to take things very seriously, rigidly & are quick to make the negative comment. You have this image in yoru head of how vamps should be, and anything outside tha..."It seems lots of people here are negative. A have never attacked anyone. All I have done is be funny and reveal a little of my self. I like doing that so I'm not just another clone on the internet. I think my comments are just as insightful as anyones and amusing. I am one of the older people, and probably the one of only a couple men at this group. Certain people have asked me about my life, and what life expierience I had to back certain observations. So I told them straight up and honestly. "Cary what makes you think you understand life any better than anyone else"? Someone asked me that,and being the honest good natured person I am I answered honestly. If you dont want to know about my life or who I am. Then dont ask. Fact is I am very easy going and laid back. I like to know who I am talking to. Most people want to reamain anonymous. Knowing were a person is coming from makes you understand how they interpret the story better the way they do. Drug addict ha! Just because I made fun about smoking pot, and have some presciption meds. I don't even smoke pot. I was just being funny. That is what TrueBlood is all about. They show Marryanne smoking reefer all the time. I love Truebloods balls in showing stuff like that. There's always got to be a name caller and uncool person in every crowd. Who have I ever attacked? Who have a ever been rude too? Nobody thats who. I have always been cool and pleasant, and funny. I shall continue to be so and not let small minds provoke me. Cause I feel just way too groovy, LOL.
Ok, see, I didn't see anything you said as joking. Not knowing you well, I took the things you said at face value, which if you go back and read them as serious statements DOES make you seem like a confrontational addict. Which was my point when I said, things are in text here, and tone of voice gets lost sometimes.
Tone IS often hard to distinguish from text alone. I tend to write exactly as I speak...hmn, or maybe I speak exactly how I write... Apparently, I'm having an Alice in Wonderland moment.
So who are the people who think that Pam's comment implies some sort of illness or downfall for Eric? I'm not of that camp, but I'd like to hear the theories being cooked up. Regale me, doomsayers!
I think it is meaningless. Eric lives on through Sookie. Sookie has had the blood of every vampire there. First Bill, the maenad attack when all of them had to give blood Pam, Chow,Bill,and Eric to keep Sookie alive. Then the numerous times Eric has manipulatied Sookie into taking his blood. If a vampires soul or person was linked by blood giving. Then several vampires would be living on through Sookie. Its true that Eric has given her the most. At sometime it may be irreversable what one gains by repeated blood infussions from the same vamp. I think Charlaine Harris herself gets consfused by her ideas. Obiviously Charlaines implication in Pams statement was Sookie had drunk the blood of Eric so he lived on in her. The same thing was said that Clancy lived on through Bill with just one blood infussion. I think this was not a literal interpretation but just a symbolic one due to the fact of the heavy loses they had taken in the fairy war.
Cary wrote: "Allison wrote: "Ok, A. No one wants to hear about your addiction to drugsB. What does YOUR lifestyle have to do with anything?
C. Shouldn't a GOOD book make you emotionally invested in the chara..."
And I quote, "A. No one wants to hear about your addiction to drugs." Where in that sentence do I call you a name? The words, "drug addict" never make an appearance.
When did anyone ask about YOU?
Jealous? Of a fifty-some-odd man that talks about smoking weed and doing peyote? Yea, no thanks. I actually prefer not to read about that kind of stuff. If I wanted to, then I would go elsewhere on the internet. However, I would like to discuss the Sookie Stackhouse series. If you would like to discuss Sookie Stackhouse/Charlaine Harris/True Blood then, by all means, continue posting. But don't discuss your business, don't be confrontational, and don't insult others here.
Andddd my day is going great. Thanks :)
You impicated I was a drug addict. Yeah I am old just like the vampires are old. One of the reasons I dig them they are old but forever young. Just like me. Youth is in your head, and how you look. Opps went and said something personal. You Allison called me a drug addict staight up. So I am going to get real personal with you. I do not smoke,cigarettes or marijuana. I have liver disease and take pain pills. That is the only drug I take. In trying to be funny I set myself up to be attacked. I am like poor Michael Jacskon, LOL. How sad because this is a discussion group for people who like vampires and vampire books. I like them very much and always have. I read Carmilla 40 years ago, and found vampires interesting ever since. But I read lots of other books so it is one of many interests. I do not have any self esteem problems. I very much dig my self and my view of myself and others. So I dont need to be anythng but polite and nice to people.
FYI, Cary: Sookie has only had blood from Eric, Bill, and a little from LongShadow at this point. When being treated for the maenad attack, she specifically requested human blood. All the vamps did was drain her, not put any back in. In the books, she still has faint scarring from the maenad attack.
FYI I fail to see how human blood would stop the deadly poison of the maenad. Sookie barely survived the attack of the maenad. Yeah she had slight scaring thats how strong maenad poison is. No offense but I will have to get that book again and read it for myself. Because I distincly remember all the vampires present at the healing of Sookie had to give up blood. How could regular human blood heal the deadly poison of the maenad. That is how the TV show portrays it as well. Sookie is stabalized by Dr. Ludwig and then has to drink vamp blood. Which of course Eric tries to sneak in on. Eric = Schemer. The vampires had to drink allot of human blood to make up for all the blood they lost curing Sookie. In the TV version it shows Bill immediatly giving Sookie blood and it making her sick. In the book Bill did not know what to do because he did not know what attacked Sookie. Which is why he took her to Eric who in turn called Dr Ludwig. They really need a detailed synopsis of books 1-9.
Michelle M. wrote: "FYI, Cary: Sookie has only had blood from Eric, Bill, and a little from LongShadow at this point. When being treated for the maenad attack, she specifically requested human blood. All the vamps did..."Cary- in the book they all have to take turns draining her blood so the poison won't effect them and then they give her human blood to replace it. They are removing the poison that way and making her new again with human blood. The show does it a bit differently where they show the scraping and acid substance of some sort being poured on her back. Hope this clears it up!
and once again I reply to the wrong thread :)that was for you cary
Found a pdf of the book I'll quote the pertinent part:"I can close the exterior wounds. But your bloodstream has been compromised, and your blood must be removed and replaced. That is a job for the vampires."
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"So," she continued, "when I'm finished, each of you take a turn, removing just a little. Then we'll give her a transfusion."
"Of human blood," I said, wanting to make that perfectly clear.
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Again, a sense of movement in the room. Dr. Ludwig bent forward and began licking my back. I shrieked.
"She's the doctor, Sookie," Bill said. "She will heal you this way."
I can only assume she didn't need the vamp blood to heal because Dr Ludwig's licking closed the wounds.
Jessica wrote: "Found a pdf of the book I'll quote the pertinent part:"I can close the exterior wounds. But your bloodstream has been compromised, and your blood must be removed and replaced. That is a job for t..."
Thanks thats very confussing. I guess Dr. Ludwig did not want her tainted blood to go to waste. She could not be transfussed with vampire blood anyway. It's not human blood and it would be the wrong blood type. So Vampire blood only heals when you drink it. I will read it again if I get a chance. I seem to remember some episode where each of the vampires had to donate blood for somebody. I must have just imagined it.
Lauren wrote: "Michelle M. wrote: "FYI, Cary: Sookie has only had blood from Eric, Bill, and a little from LongShadow at this point. When being treated for the maenad attack, she specifically requested human bloo..."Yup it sure did thank you for taking the time to hip me.
I believe due to the large amount of blood that Clancy gave Bill they had a connection because of that. When Bill saved her he lost so much of his the large amount has a connective affect. When it states that Clancy lives on thru Bill I think the mean metaphorically since so much of his Blood is in Bill now. I believe due to the multiple blood exchanges between Sookie and Eric this simply means that they are so connected they are one now. Living thru her since techniquely he is not alive.
I actually thought that Pam's comment was foreshadowing Sookie becoming a vampire with Eric as her Sire based on how much blood she had ingested.Or, that their bond would be so tight it would be impossible to diminish because of too much blood ingestion.
Hi All,
At the end of book 9, Eric says something like "Clancy lives on through Bill" and then Pam follows it by saying something like, "and Eric lives on through Sookie".
Given that Clancy died and Eric did not, what do you make of this? This had to be alluding to something and completely intentional on Harris' part right?
Do you think something is going to happen to Eric? Any thoughts?