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Buddy Read with Inge, Sofia, Mel, Bev and Andrea starting 30th October

Some lucky person is going to GRL San Diego!! **mutters** it's a tough life...;)

Hey Mel, glad to have you here!! :D

LoL! (((hugs)))"
{{{Big Hugs}}} to you too my lovely. Have just friended John Wiltshire or whatever his real name is on Facebook. :)



Thanks for that Mel. If we postpone then I may well be back home from Turkey when we read.

Gonna be gooooood!! I'm willing to wait lol

Let's hope then :D

I follow Aleks on Twitter where he is mainly active, so... yeah, I find all the news :D

Wish I couid say I'm enjoying being in Turkey but honestly...I'm not that much. It's like being in the Algarve 30 years ago, very primitive. Difficult to find a decent supermarket, too many people smoking even when you're eating in a restaurant...ugh!! People are very friendly, but won't be coming back in a hurry....



The trouble in Ankara is apparently terrorists Sofia, but there are political problems over here without a doubt, East meets West...let's not forget that only 7% of Turkey is in Europe and there are mosques everywhere although they are not fundamentalists thank goodness, but there are always people who don't like what's going on. As far as I'm concerned, purely my opinion, they are not European in the slightest (just like most of the Eastern European countries), but as long as there is conflict within those countries, the EU won't let them in.

Our neighbours troubles become our own, Europe cannot be safe with troubles on her borders.

Our neighbours troubles become our own, Europe cannot be safe with troubles on her borders."
No you're right but we're nowhere near Ankara thank goodness. You only have to look at what's happening in Syria don't you?? Not good for anyone...

Aleks: Tentative release day for #Nightingale - 27 October. I'm halfway through the proofs/final edits.

Thanks for the updates.
Spending the day getting ready for GRL, leaving on Tuesday afternoon. Yesterday was a glorious day at my college alma mater's homecoming. :D <3
I don't think it matters whether Turkey and its citizens are European or not (not a great thing to say, Bev, honestly. It doesn't matter.), but whether they can have peace in their own country, which increases the possibility of peace in the surrounding areas.
The fact that terrorists have chosen Ankara is no mistake.
Just like it is no mistake Putin is bombing inside Syria, making things worse. He saw an opportunity and he took it.
And back to Eastern European countries not being European? Wow. I mean... wow. If they're good neighbors and EU members, isn't that what matters? Going the route of exclusion instead of inclusion, I'm surprised hearing that from you, Bev. I like that you have opinions and, more importantly, state them. Always have, always will. I disagree with this'n.


Thanks for the updates.
Spending the day getting ready for GRL, leaving on Tuesday afternoon. Yesterday was a glorious day at my college alma mater's homecoming. :D <3
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Andrea. Sorry you seem to have misunderstood what I said. I am in no way a racist, and it was not a political statement at all, just commenting on the situation in Ankara and this part of the world. I know that the Kurds have had lots of problems with the Turkish state over the years, and reading the Turkish press, the opposition seem to be implying that the government might have had something to do with the bombing...but whoever is responsible, it's a disgraceful act and now others will suffer for it.
Good Europeans are good Europeans but many of the countries on the periphery of the EU have huge problems of their own. The EU as is it constituted is finding it really difficult to deal with the issues within its own borders at the moment, so something is bound to give sooner or later.
The EU is not the United States of Europe I'm afraid. There are too many different cultures, races, political viewpoints and even religions to make this work cohesively. Even without all the nations now wanting to join the EU, there are many internal difficulties with those who are already in it.
I obviously didn't express myself very well at all, and I apologise for that. I can say that I don't agree with what Mr Putin is doing...don't agree with him and what he does period, but the United Nations or some other organisation needs to get involved and pretty quickly to prevent more needless loss of life.

My thoughts exactly Inge. It's easy for us to sit at home and watch all of this on the TV...we do it every time there is a humanitarian problem throughout the world. We live in countries which are stable politically and yes, compared to some other countries very wealthy indeed but that doesn't make us immune to what's going on in the world, or it shouldn't. I try not to be a NIMBY (not in my back yard) and all we can do is donate to whatever charity we can, as I do every time something like this happens. How do we stop it?? I have NO idea because every country involved seems to have their own agenda, so in the long term...who knows??

Thanks Mel 30/10 it is and I'll pre-order from Amazon.

Good Europeans are good Europeans but many of the countries on the periphery of the EU have huge problems of their own. The EU as is it constituted is finding it really difficult to deal with the issues within its own borders at the moment, so something is bound to give sooner or later.
The EU is not the United States of Europe I'm afraid. There are too many different cultures, races, political viewpoints and even religions to make this work cohesively. Even without all the nations now wanting to join the EU, there are many internal difficulties with those who are already in it.
I obviously didn't express myself very well at all, and I apologise for that. I can say that I don't agree with what Mr Putin is doing...don't agree with him and what he does period, but the United Nations or some other organisation needs to get involved and pretty quickly to prevent more needless loss of life. ."
This is the Bev i know, knowledgeable, not someone who says Eastern Europeans aren't European, which is what you said.
The challenges within, or the difference between, a united Europe and the US isn't all of cultures, we have nearly every one under the sun here. The difference is we're under one head of state, Europe is not by nature. That alone put the whole EU endeavor behind the eight ball from the beginning. Do i think it's a worthy endeavor? I do. Will it continue to work? Probably for the foreseeable future, but who knows.
The UN will not do anything. They hardly ever get involved unless someone else does first. The fact that nothing has been done since the Syrian war started is another example of that. For whomever is surprised by this great escape from the region (by that i mean those in positions to do something), they simply decided to ignore the obvious outcome of war. The stories of these people are horrifying, when all they were trying to do is live their lives, and now they can't and are running for them.
As for Turkey, this will be a turning point, one way or another. They're strategically important to nearly everyone, let alone the threat to human life, so something will be done. Hopefully without a war starting. Though, given how out of control so much of this is, who knows how that will be avoided.
By the time we as regular folk see this on tv, it's too late. The exodus is under way and can't be stopped until the war is stopped. Just like every other time in history.
Considering this is a thread about a book, i won't feel bad if no one feels like responding or continuing the discussion here. :)

Oh really? Ok gonna have to go look. Thanks, Mel. :D


As far as books are concerned, I've pre-ordered this one which will be delivered to my kindle on the 27th. ;)

I think us not closing our eyes to what's happening around us is a step forward. With awareness comes responsibility plus we can always help with our vote when electing our own government.
We've been seeing a great influx of migrants from Africa for years on end but our calls for help to the EU went unheeded. Now that there is this huge influx because problems where aggrivated rather than solved at intiation, everybody is running around like headless chickens. I do fear though that the arms selling elites are making a bomb out of these troubles so they sure don't want to have everything quiet down.

I think us not closing our eyes to what's happening around us is a step forward. With awareness comes responsibility plus we can always help with our vote when el..."
There do seem to be lots of headless chickens running around in charge of countries Sofia. I would think Malta and all the islands within reach of the problems must be absolutely overrun with refugees, but where else can they go?? At least there, they're safe....
Turkey certainly isn't safe, Iraq and Lebanon still have huge problems and Israel is suspicious of everyone...and quite rightly so. Yet another cock-up the British caused on the diplomacy front...we've had loads, so as much as I love my country, I can also see that in the past we've made some dreadful decisions too (like letting Robert Mugabe get away with genocide in Zimbabwe for example). We should have sent the SAS in to take him out....think Ben and Nik.

Very quick note on where to buy/pre-order Nightingale - at the moment, it's an Amazon exclusive, which is not a development I like at all, and I've struggled against the inevitable conclusion for more than a year. I don't believe in exclusivity.
My own royalties are basically 95-97% from Amazon. Just the accounting of those couple dollars/euros means a lot more effort and paperwork to keep track of.
That said, I have gathered quite a bit of data, and when I make more money from the lending library than from sales, it's clear that lots of readers lend rather than buy, and they do it on Amazon. As an example - it looks like I'll make ca $7.50 from a short story/month in terms of sales, but $50/month for the same short story in the same month via lending. And I've asked around - there are authors who have doubled and more than doubled their income since going exclusive with Amazon. It's money I can't afford to lose if I want to pay off that mortgage quickly so I can downshift at the day job.
So, for all the readers who absolutely will not buy from Amazon, don't have the Kindle app on their phones, computers or tablets, or find themselves in countries that Amazon bans/restricts or is otherwise being an ass to - I've come up with the following work-around. I can't sell the book direct, either; apart from this being a breach of contract with Amazon, going through PayPal is actually more accounting/paperwork than either I or my accountant are happy with, and thanks to the new European VAT law, it's basically impossible for me to sell to anybody in Europe (I could create my own online shop, but that's expensive, a huge amount of effort, and very unlikely to make me more than it would cost to set up/maintain).
So, here's a solution that should be good for everybody - I can't sell the book, but I can give it away. So I'm happy to send you guy the book in return for a $5 (or equivalent) donation to a human rights/GLBTQ charity of your choice. Just send me the receipt, and you get a free book emailed. It's easy, it's a good deed and it's legal.
Sounds good?

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