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message 451: by Jilly (new)

Jilly Gagnon (jillygagnon) | 147 comments Perhaps too philosophical for them, Jay ;)


message 452: by Rebecca (new)

Rebecca Douglass (rdouglass) | 2433 comments Mod
Yeah, the Redskins probably should change their name. The expression was an insult from the beginning, so it's hard to see leaving it in place now as anything but and insult. And, it being DC, probably the Liars and Cheaters would be a more appropriate mascot anyway.


message 453: by Melki (new)

Melki | 3540 comments Mod
Rebecca wrote: "Yeah, the Redskins probably should change their name. The expression was an insult from the beginning, so it's hard to see leaving it in place now as anything but and insult. And, it being DC, prob..."

I'm not sure why they're being singled out. I always thought their logo was rather dignified -
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compared to The Cleveland Indians -
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which is pretty awful.


message 454: by Melki (last edited Dec 08, 2015 02:32PM) (new)

Melki | 3540 comments Mod
I don't know if you've seen this parody put out by the National Congress of American Indians to point out just how the mascots are racist, but it's pretty good.

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message 455: by Melki (new)

Melki | 3540 comments Mod
And finally, here's a list of possible new names - http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/06/washi..., though I like Rebecca's suggestion best.


message 456: by Jay (new)

Jay Cole (jay_cole) | 5436 comments Mod
Well, considering the old adage that turnabout is fair play, we could always give the Native Americans a turn and call them the Washington Immigrants.


message 457: by CartoonistAndre (new)

CartoonistAndre | 725 comments I am also of the opinion that Redskins should not be allowed into this country. And yes, they should absolutely change their name, it is just the politically correct thing to do. But they should stay at home. I feel quite adamant about that!

Maybe the Pinkskins. Or the Brownsteins, whatever.


message 458: by Joel (new)

Joel Bresler | 1587 comments Mod
As a former Clevelander, there have been on and off periods of lamenting the mascot over the years. It beats lamenting he team's pennant record.


message 459: by CartoonistAndre (new)

CartoonistAndre | 725 comments Amen to that. You guys are so past due!


message 460: by Rebecca (new)

Rebecca Douglass (rdouglass) | 2433 comments Mod
Holy cow! As a dedicated non-sports person, I hadn't been aware of that gawdawful Cleveland mascot!


message 461: by Joel (new)

Joel Bresler | 1587 comments Mod
Gawdawful, nothing! They used to do spring training in Tucson, and you see Indians caps and shirts on lots of natives - including lots of real ones! And as a member of that particular tribe, I'd be a Jews fan all day long. As long as they weren't Pittsburgh, at least.


message 462: by Rodney (new)

Rodney Carlson (rodneycarlson) | 617 comments The Jewskins? That seams like a schmucky name.


message 463: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Shiroff | 840 comments I was thinking something similar, Joel. I know plenty of Jews who'd love that cap and a team to play while wearing it. They'd think it was a hoot. I also know some Seminole Indians who don't have a problem with the various native mascots. Some like the irony that white people use the mascots for games played by modern heroes who get paid millions--it makes it look we white people don't have enough tough and strong characteristics to create a stereotype.


message 464: by Joel (new)

Joel Bresler | 1587 comments Mod
Sure we do, Lisa. He's called Trump.


message 465: by Jay (new)

Jay Cole (jay_cole) | 5436 comments Mod
Joel wrote: "Sure we do, Lisa. He's called Trump."

I think you got that wrong, Joel. Trump is a stereo-toup[ee].


message 466: by Rodney (new)

Rodney Carlson (rodneycarlson) | 617 comments Jay wrote: "I think you got that wrong, Joel. Trump is a stereo-toup[ee]."

Oh painful. I like it!


message 467: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Shiroff | 840 comments You know, this topic reminded me of my blondness. I was born platinum so I don't know if women with hair of other shades have their own thing but ... I have no problem with dumb blond jokes. Many are very funny. They're jokes so I never take them personally. Yet I know many non-blond women who get upset with me for laughing and even saying them because they see dumb-blond jokes as evilly sexist, too.

The interesting thing is that I've had more women be nasty to me and judge me harshly because of my blond looks then men. The best example is when I had to dig through my apartment's trash to pull out the notecards I'd used while writing a term paper in college. My professor had insisted I prove I was the writer (obviously this was back in the days when they couldn't run your paper through plagiarization software). After bringing my stained, wrinkled and somewhat smelly notes and wadded up first drafts the the prof's office, SHE apologized for doubting me.

Then she added: "You just don't look smart enough to have written this paper."

I refrained from telling her she didn't look fun enough to enjoy her day.

To me, the danger in stereotypes is in the intent of their use not simply in their use. But I'm blond, so what do I know?


message 468: by Rodney (new)

Rodney Carlson (rodneycarlson) | 617 comments Good, because I saw a good one on facebook the other day.

A blonde called her boyfriend and said, “Please come over here and help me… I have a killer jigsaw puzzle, and I can’t figure out how to get it started.”

Her boyfriend asked, “What is it supposed to be when it’s finished?”

The blonde said, “According to the picture on the box, it’s a tiger.”

Her boyfriend decided to go over and help with the puzzle. She let him in and showed him where she had the puzzle spread all over the table. He studied the pieces for a moment, then looked at the box, then turned to her and said, “First of all, no matter what we do, we’re not going to be able to assemble these pieces into anything resembling a tiger.”

He took her hand and said, “Second, I’d want you to relax… Let’s have a nice cup of tea, and then…”

He sighed, “let’s put all these Frosted Flakes back in the box.”


message 469: by Jay (new)

Jay Cole (jay_cole) | 5436 comments Mod
Excellent!


message 470: by Jilly (new)

Jilly Gagnon (jillygagnon) | 147 comments Lisa -- I think part of that might be the fact that most blondes AREN'T blonde. I don't dye my hair either, but we're the SUPER-minority; apparently only 2% of adults are naturally blonde worldwide, but right around 1/3 of adult women "have" blonde hair.

Maybe other ladies get mad because they assume you're faking it for male approval? Which is ridiculous, because if they're so pro-woman blah blah...

...anyway, just a guess.


message 471: by Jay (new)

Jay Cole (jay_cole) | 5436 comments Mod
Jilly wrote: "Maybe other ladies get mad because they assume you're faking it for male approval?"

Women don't need to be blonde for male approval, they only need to be breathing.


message 472: by Joel (new)

Joel Bresler | 1587 comments Mod
Jay wrote: "Jilly wrote: "Maybe other ladies get mad because they assume you're faking it for male approval?"

Women don't need to be blonde for male approval, they only need to be breathing."


Why?


message 473: by Jay (new)

Jay Cole (jay_cole) | 5436 comments Mod
Took less than an hour for someone to go there!

Naturally, I could have predicted that, but my psychic abilities have been a little on the fritz, distracted by all these blonde women seeking male approval.


message 474: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Shiroff | 840 comments Because this is a politically correct discussion and many of you are writers in the U.S., please be aware that American usage rules require the "e" on blonde be removed because it's "sexist" to use it ("blonde" is the feminine form of the male or neutral "blond"). I guess it was a follow-up step after we were told we could no longer use the term "stewardess." Oh, and in the States, the period always goes inside the quote marks in case you Brits want to correct that last phrase.

Can you tell I'm editing someone's manuscript right now? I'm in edit mode.


message 475: by Brenda (new)

Brenda Kearns (brendakearns) | 719 comments Jay wrote: "Jilly wrote: "Maybe other ladies get mad because they assume you're faking it for male approval?"

Women don't need to be blonde for male approval, they only need to be breathing."


I'm glad to hear the standards are low enough for me :-)


message 476: by Rodney (new)

Rodney Carlson (rodneycarlson) | 617 comments Brenda wrote: "I'm glad to hear the standards are low enough for me :-) "

I don't know, your part of a pretty exclusive group...


message 477: by Melki (new)

Melki | 3540 comments Mod
Lisa wrote: "Because this is a politically correct discussion and many of you are writers in the U.S., please be aware that American usage rules require the "e" on blonde be removed because it's "sexist" to use..."

Many years ago, I remember getting into an argument with my son's English teacher over the fact that he had added an e to blond on a vocab test and she had marked it wrong. She grudgingly gave him his point back and probably went home muttering something about helicopter parents while she poured herself a tall, stiff one.


message 478: by Jay (new)

Jay Cole (jay_cole) | 5436 comments Mod
Lisa wrote: "...please be aware that American usage rules require the "e" on blonde be removed because it's "sexist"..."

Fascinating insight! I never knew that the letter 'e' was sexist. Do any of the other vowels have politically incorrect personality traits?


message 479: by Rebecca (new)

Rebecca Douglass (rdouglass) | 2433 comments Mod
I don't think I got the memo about leaving the e off of blond(e). But, then, I spell British style half the time anyway. Comes of having read so many British children's books at an impressionable age.


message 480: by Jay (new)

Jay Cole (jay_cole) | 5436 comments Mod
Rebecca wrote: "Comes of having read so many British children's books at an impressionable age."

Last week, huh? :)


message 481: by Rebecca (new)

Rebecca Douglass (rdouglass) | 2433 comments Mod
Jay wrote: "Rebecca wrote: "Comes of having read so many British children's books at an impressionable age."

Last week, huh? :)"


Well, yeah. And for the 2599 prior to that.


message 482: by Jilly (new)

Jilly Gagnon (jillygagnon) | 147 comments I had no idea we were supposed to be blonds now. I hate that! I'm a blonde. Honestly, just look about a foot below my hair and you'll have proof.


message 483: by Jay (last edited Dec 10, 2015 02:15PM) (new)

Jay Cole (jay_cole) | 5436 comments Mod
Jilly wrote: "I had no idea we were supposed to be blonds now. I hate that! I'm a blonde. Honestly, just look about a foot below my hair and you'll have proof."

Where's my ruler?

Sorry, Jilly. It's no longer PC to admit to wearing a bra. Do you have something more neutral (or more PC: neutered), perhaps an innie or an outie?


message 484: by Jilly (new)

Jilly Gagnon (jillygagnon) | 147 comments I just wear so many layers of puffy clothes that it's hard to determine whether I'm even human underneath it all.

Everyone feels better that way.


message 485: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Shiroff | 840 comments Jilly wrote: "I had no idea we were supposed to be blonds now. I hate that! I'm a blonde. Honestly, just look about a foot below my hair and you'll have proof."

I understand. I didn't want to be a blond, either. I liked being blonde. Blond just doesn't even look like a real word. But if you ask the folks over at American Heritage and Oxford, that's what we are: blond. Ick.

I guess Starbucks doesn't care about being sexist, though. They have a "blonde" coffee. I wonder if it ever gets confused and makes tea.


message 486: by Jilly (new)

Jilly Gagnon (jillygagnon) | 147 comments It DOES spend a lot of time in the kitchen. Hmmm...


message 487: by Joel (new)

Joel Bresler | 1587 comments Mod
Lisa wrote: "Jilly wrote: "I had no idea we were supposed to be blonds now. I hate that! I'm a blonde. Honestly, just look about a foot below my hair and you'll have proof."

I understand. I didn't want to be a..."


Might explain how Starbucks manages to burn their java.


message 488: by Jay (new)

Jay Cole (jay_cole) | 5436 comments Mod
Okay, it's time to admit that there is always some individual who proves the rule, no matter how contested the rule might be. So, I will now burden you with the dreaded...

TRUE STORY!

As a freshman in high school, I was fixed up on my first date by my older sister. My date was nicknamed 'Barbie Doll' because she was tall (actually taller than me at the time), skinny, very cute, and very, very blonde. We went to the school basketball game on a Friday night, and for some inexplicable reason, I couldn't tell if my date was having a good time or not. (Add here a superfluous comment on vacant looks, etc.) Finally, I asked her if she understood the game.

"Of course, I do," was her response.

However, something in her answer didn't quite ring true, so as politely as possible, I asked her to explain it to me.

She said, "Someone puts the ball in the basket. If our side cheers, we get two points. If their side cheers, they get two points."

I almost fell through the bleachers laughing.

After the game, I bought her the requisite burger and fries, and quickly decided 'Barbie Doll' was much too blonde for my taste. We never went out again.


message 489: by Jilly (new)

Jilly Gagnon (jillygagnon) | 147 comments I'm gonna have to just HOPE her blonde came in a bottle.


message 490: by Jay (new)

Jay Cole (jay_cole) | 5436 comments Mod
Jilly wrote: "I'm gonna have to just HOPE her blonde came in a bottle."

Afraid not!


message 491: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Shiroff | 840 comments Joel wrote: "Might explain how Starbucks manages to burn their java."

Yeah, I have a friend who used to have a coffee company in New Orleans (pre-Katrina, hence "used to") and he had told me that in the industry they call Starbucks Charbucks.


message 492: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Shiroff | 840 comments Jay wrote: "Jilly wrote: "I'm gonna have to just HOPE her blonde came in a bottle."

Afraid not!"


Oh, by the sound of the story I had the feeling you weren't able to investigate to find out.


message 493: by Jay (new)

Jay Cole (jay_cole) | 5436 comments Mod
Lisa wrote: "Jay wrote: "Jilly wrote: "I'm gonna have to just HOPE her blonde came in a bottle."

Afraid not!"

Oh, by the sound of the story I had the feeling you weren't able to investigate to find out."


We were in the same school location for the entire year... Never anything but blonde roots.

Being a gentleman, I rarely "investigate" women that I never want to see again. And I much prefer women who are happy to see me again and have no fear of multi-syllable words. That works for me. After all, life is much too short to clutter it up with "blonde" mistakes. :)


message 494: by Brenda (new)

Brenda Kearns (brendakearns) | 719 comments Jay wrote: "Lisa wrote: "...please be aware that American usage rules require the "e" on blonde be removed because it's "sexist"..."

Fascinating insight! I never knew that the letter 'e' was sexist. Do any of..."


I believe "e" is the only sexist letter, but "i" is considered narcissistic.


message 495: by Jilly (new)

Jilly Gagnon (jillygagnon) | 147 comments "sometimes y," of course, is the most progressive.


message 496: by Joel (new)

Joel Bresler | 1587 comments Mod
I usually associate 'y' with women. 'I' usually shows up shortly after.


message 497: by Jay (new)

Jay Cole (jay_cole) | 5436 comments Mod
Brenda wrote: "I believe "e" is the only sexist letter, but "i" is considered narcissistic."

And I, O and U are expensive.


message 498: by CartoonistAndre (new)

CartoonistAndre | 725 comments And it should be expensive! O would be downright degrading. I mean, Blondo? You call someone Blondo you're gonna pay!


message 499: by Jay (new)

Jay Cole (jay_cole) | 5436 comments Mod
Just curious, has everyone forgotten that the holidays can be politically incorrect?

bad_santa


message 500: by CartoonistAndre (last edited Dec 12, 2015 09:51AM) (new)

CartoonistAndre | 725 comments It's politically correct only when deposited in the one percentile homes.


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