The Fault in Our Stars
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Am I the only one who hates this book with burning passion?
You're not alone. I didn't like it either. I don't know, maybe it was hyped way too far so that when I delved into it with high expectations I came out rather disappointed. It stirred no emotions in me. I didn't cry once. As you said, the characters may as well have been cardboard cut-outs. I couldn't relate to them, and so I couldn't sympathise with their situation. The plot was boring too. A couple of cancer-stricken, pretentious kids find out a beloved author is a douche. Wow. Revolutionary. (Not.) And I don't like how John Green used the classic girl-meets-boy-and-boy-changes-her-life-because-girls-can't-do-shit-wihout-boys. All I can say is that the writing was good and it made me laugh occasionally and think about the fate of breakfast foods. Maybe I would have liked it if it hadn't been so hyped, I don't know. But I'm glad you didn't like it either - I got worried, thinking I was the only one who doesn't think the sun shines out of the book's arse. Now I know it's not just me. Phew.
Ok Yes I do see flaws it not perfect and naver will be. im sorry for trying to change ur minds
Cecilia wrote: "Ok Yes I do see flaws it not perfect and naver will be. im sorry for trying to change ur minds"
Apology accepted. Please don't do it anymore.
Apology accepted. Please don't do it anymore.
three words: you're not alone. To put it simply, this book was awful.
I am not even about to bother trying to explain myself because clearly if the opinion isn't the same as yours then it's an argument.Cecelia you didn't have to apologize because they have clearly spewing their hate for the book in this thread and they aren't apologizing.
I didn't like the book either, and I'm glad I can finally say this in a place where I WON'T GET SHOT
Nika (Oh My Shelves) wrote: "I am not even about to bother trying to explain myself because clearly if the opinion isn't the same as yours then it's an argument.Cecelia you didn't have to apologize because they have clearly ..."
Why should we apologise for hating and criticising a book?
I think I said this dozen of times on this thread; if you have the rights to express your love for the book, I too have the rights to express my hatred for it.
Anusha wrote: "I didn't like the book either, and I'm glad I can finally say this in a place where I WON'T GET SHOT"AMEN, SISTER. AMEN.
Also, I'm feeling all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that this thread keeps being the top thread for this book. heheh.
Brooke wrote: "Everything about TFiOS is just so fake.And it's emotionally manipulative to boot."
This should be the book's blurb.
Saw the trailer for the movie today - looks cheesy - think I'll pass.
I didn't like it at all!The writing is bad, the characters don't have any depth to them and i just CAN't figure out why the world is singing its praises!
Dear Book fanpages on Facebook,STOP POSTING ANYTHING RELATED TO THE FAULT IN OUR STARS AND IT'S TRAILER! I'm getting annoyed.
Rant over.
Thank you.
Kiki wrote: "Brooke wrote: "Everything about TFiOS is just so fake.And it's emotionally manipulative to boot."
This should be the book's blurb."
HAHAHA!
I did not like the book either. Not sure why the hype.
I'm just trying to be nice!
Let us first start off by saying that the beloved author, John Green, is an American hero. But Fault in Our Stars was a fistful of cyan sewage. We're going to drop some phat character anals. on you homeslices:
Hazel: Entitled. Skank. Pretentious. Annoying AF. Ungrateful. SOB. Get over yourself. Cynical. Human waste. Fuck. Hazel Lancaster is by far Green's worst character. Her false sense of entitlement exterminates any possibility of her being even close to likable. Throw relatability out of the question with her cynical, thinks-she's-so-clever attitude. She treats everyone in her life like the garbage SHE is. Examples include her parents, her support group members, "friends", etc...) she thinks that her terminal disease gives her an excuse to be a trash human being to those around her. She always maintains a negative outlook on life EXCEPT when she is begging her loving parents to let her and her boy toy go to Europe together (which was a waste of time because the glorified author she was chasing ended up being a douche bag to her). Anyway, after she sexes Gus's body, she thinks she has the audacity to try and pull off an after-sex note, which in Hazel's version featured a poorly thought-out and incredibly unclever venn diagram that both made us roll our eyes to the point of no return, and throw up everything in our stomachs out of the stupidity and arrogance of her newly deflowered body. To conclude, Hazel does not relate to any real teenage girl. But instead embodies an arrogant, self-centered piece of fuck.
Augustus: With his repulsive, excessive charisma and over developed hipster Prince Charming "personality", Augustus Waters strives to be the sensitive, mysterious night owl of the night. But only achieves the common pigeon that repeatedly flies into windows. Such as when he attempts to retrieve a pack of cigarettes, to NOT smoke, he winds up in quite a pickle, just like a common pigeon into a window. His originality borders on predictable overused archetypes that Green should have known better than to use. Throughout the story, Augustus aims to become a more prominent SOB than he already is. Seeking the attention of literally everyone, he cries over the fact that he will never be some kind of glorified idol that can titillate the loins of all who follow in his pseudo-philosophical teachings.
Aly wrote: "@Ayesha: I WANT TO DESTROY THEM ALL."I am so disgusted at the trailer.
hazelnutjob wrote: "Augustus: With his repulsive, excessive charisma and over developed hipster Prince Charming "personality", Augustus Waters strives to be the sensitive, mysterious night owl of the night. But only achieves the common pigeon that repeatedly flies into windows.."Charlotte wrote: ""A fistful of cyan sewage" is a very vivid image."
Lol! I fell off my chair laughing.
hazelnutjob wrote: "Let us first start off by saying that the beloved author, John Green, is an American hero. But Fault in Our Stars was a fistful of cyan sewage. We're going to drop some phat character anals. on y..."
Not to be rude, but either you have heavy anger management issues and need help, or you are a huge troll trying to get a rise out of people who like this book.
How can I tell? One glance at your profile.
Anna wrote: "hazelnutjob wrote: "Let us first start off by saying that the beloved author, John Green, is an American hero. But Fault in Our Stars was a fistful of cyan sewage.
We're going to drop some phat c..."
Since when do trolls state why they don't like something?
We're going to drop some phat c..."
Since when do trolls state why they don't like something?
@ Brooke, since ever? I don't know which trolls you are talking about, but I am thinking of this negative nancies who ****talk everything online with not well formulated arguments. and hazelnutjob clearly is a profile solely created to bash this book using the exact same comment on various other tfios threads.
Anna wrote: "hazelnutjob wrote: "Let us first start off by saying that the beloved author, John Green, is an American hero. But Fault in Our Stars was a fistful of cyan sewage. We're going to drop some phat c..."
Are you suggesting that I'm a troll too for expressing my dislike for this book by posting on other similar negative threads on TFIOS?
@ Aly the fact that she uses the exact same comment on every thread, the fact that she only shelfed this book and this book only and the fact, that her nickname clearly references this book makes her in my eyes someone who is not to be taken seriously in a valid discussion. The fact that your opinion concides woht yours has nothing to do with me critizising her. I would have also berated her if the comment was positive and her profile was solely devoted to fangirling over tfios.@Ayesha: Heavens no disliking something doesn't make you a troll! I dislike quite a few popular books myself and want express my dislike for them freely. I am just saying that the nature of hazelnutjobs profile (solely devoted to one thing!) makes her look dubious and not someone I would include in a discussion.
I did not think, I would get that much flag for pointing out a troll.
Fair enough. I understand.
Alex wrote: "I gave it 2/5. This book is the most unrealistic portrayal of cancer ever. You can just tell that John Green has no first-person experience with it, only what he's been told, or what he's made up...."
Well said.
I don't understand one thing. If Hazel could be given Phlanxifor to stop cancer cells from growing then why couldn't Augustus be given the same? Such a large plot hole that I can drive a car through it.
I listened to the audiobook, and rolled my eyes so many times that they almost spun right out of my head.
Alex wrote: " I believe many people love this book more than life itself simply for two reasons:1. Esther Earl
2. Vlogbrothers."
I agree. Tfios is receiving so much hype just because JG has strong online presence. He publicises his book through the internet, his fans who treat him as God run to the local library or bookstore to get it and most of them express their love for the book because JG has written it. One of my friends admitted it to me that she had major issues with this book yet, she gave it 5 stars because she claimed herself to be a huge fan of JG.
Maryann wrote: "I listened to the audiobook, and rolled my eyes so many times that they almost spun right out of my head."I'm genuinely sorry for your eyeballs :(
Ayesha wrote: "Alex wrote: "I gave it 2/5. This book is the most unrealistic portrayal of cancer ever. You can just tell that John Green has no first-person experience with it, only what he's been told, or what h..."That also may be ignorance, not a plot hole, Ayesha. This book may or may not be well researched, but not all cancers responds to the same treatments or are treated with the same medications - that is fact.
Sarah wrote: "That also may be ignorance. This book may or may not be well researched, but not all cancers respond to the same treatments or are treated with the same medications - that is fact. "But it's not even mentioned anywhere that Phalanxiphor cannot stop Osteosarcoma. We are left to assume by our own that the drug couldn't save Augustus. Just shows me how lazy the author is.
Ayesha - you used as an argument that the medication used for Hazel was not used for Agustus and this was a plot hole. I agree with the book being bad, but it probably would be correct that the same medication would not be used for both of them - to think that shows lack of knowledge about different cancers and different treatments on the readers part.
Yes - I agree though, poorly done.
As others have stated, I agree that some of the plot holes suggested above may have more to do with the reader's limited knowledge of cancer than the author's. I read in the author's bio that he worked as a chaplain in a children's hospital and that there was a real girl who ultimately died that served as the inspiration for Hazel.I didn't think it was unrealistic for (view spoiler) to die so quickly and suddenly because I've experienced two occasions where someone that I knew with no prior history of cancer was diagnosed with lymphoma and passed away within less than a year. One of them was an older man in his late 60's with several other health issues. The other was a seemingly healthy 40 year old who went to the gym religiously and was in excellent physical condition before his diagnosis.
As for the drug, Hazel and Augustus did not have the same type of cancer and the drug was still in the trial stages. The book specifically says that it was shown to not work in most cases. During the meeting with her team of doctors, they also mention that most tumors eventually find a way to grow in spite of the drug. Hazel didn't have to beg his nurse or doctor to try it and have them tell her that it wasn't effective. She already knew that because her own doctors had told her that earlier in the book. Plus, I don't know how familiar readers are with experimental procedures, but you don't just automatically get them because you say want to try it. Augustus not taking the same drug as Hazel wasn't a plot hole, imo.
Alex wrote: "Mochaspresso wrote: "As others have stated, I agree that some of the plot holes suggested above may have more to do with the reader's limited knowledge of cancer than the author's. I read in the ..."Well, I agree that it may have seemed contrived....but it was intended to be ironic. He seemed the healthiest of the three of them at first while Hazel always seemed the weakest and sickest. Hazel even makes a comment toward the end about the irony of actually being the healthiest person in the room for the first time in her life.
I guess this also depends on personal tastes, but I liked that the story didn't spend too much time documenting his final days and treatments blow by blow. As a reader, I just assumed that his condition eventually reached the point where the focus becomes palliative and end of life care.
Alex wrote: "Mochaspresso wrote: "As others have stated, I agree that some of the plot holes suggested above may have more to do with the reader's limited knowledge of cancer than the author's. I read in the ..."I have lost several family members and close family friends to cancer, and a few who are cancer survivors. Each time it is different. My uncle suddenly went into liver failure and when they did a scan they saw the tumor. They didn't even consider treatment, it was so far spread. He died less than a week after entering the hospital, 3 days after diagnosis. He had a very physically demanding job and was at work the day before he was hospitalized. It does sometimes happen that suddenly and unexpectedly.
I also disagree that this was a plot hole for the reasons Mochaspresso mentioned. It was also stated in the book that his cancer was treated aggressively when they returned home from the Netherlands. I would assume that meant that they were trying every option possible. I feel like someone who has been undergoing treatment for as long as Hazel had, even if she didn't know much about the medical side of her illness, would understand that treatment options vary so greatly with each type of cancer. I did not like this novel, but I think that it's a bit nit-picky to call this a plot hole. I can understand your annoyance to a degree, but overall I think it's a pretty small detail.
I don't think you get my point. Phlanixifor is fictional, JG made it up. In the book it's mentioned that it can stop cancer cells from growing but it's not specified which type of cancer so yeah, I don't understand why Augustus wasn't given that drug or why it's not mentioned anywhere that it wouldn't have worked on him. In my opinion it's a plot hole because it leaves behind a huge question. I felt that JG was intent on killing off Augustus.
Yes! Yes! It's only you that hated it! :/
I hated this book, I didn't even finish it.... I didn't even get halfway through :/ it sucked.
Alex wrote: "Mochaspresso wrote: "Alex wrote: "Mochaspresso wrote: "As others have stated, I agree that some of the plot holes suggested above may have more to do with the reader's limited knowledge of cancer..."It was predictable for me, too. Especially considering that his illness and death was foreshadowed several times. But does predictability necessarily negate irony? I don't think so. The irony of him dying first when he was the healthier one and the one with the better odds at staying in remission wasn't lost on me.
I also think that the events that you and Ayesha say that you would like to have seen would have added some (cliched, imo) drama to the story.....but I also think it takes the story away from it's intended theme and purpose. The book wasn't about the specifics of battling cancer from a technical and medical treatment standpoint. It was about how people who know that their time is limited choose to live in the moments that they do have.
Alex wrote: "Mochaspresso wrote: "Alex wrote: "Mochaspresso wrote: "Alex wrote: "Mochaspresso wrote: "As others have stated, I agree that some of the plot holes suggested above may have more to do with the r..."With respect to Americans, she says, as she bashes Americans. That was entirely unnecessary.
Hredya wrote: "Yes! Yes! It's only you that hated it! :/"
You can find articles that claim aliens live among us. Googling doesn't necessarily always mean truth. You need to approach the internet with a discerning eye.
Aly wrote: "@Hredya: Obviously not!": Well it was a book for young adults :/ Anyways didn't expect u to like it -_-
I don't know what cleverly done irony means to you. Can you give an example of a writer who has done it cleverly, in your opinion.Does irony even have to be unpredictable? Shakespeare uses irony and I found most of his plots predictable.
Hredya wrote: "Aly wrote: "@Hredya: Obviously not!": Well it was a book for young adults :/ Anyways didn't expect u to like it -_-"
I am a young adult and I didn't like this book.
Charlotte wrote: ""Young adult" means about young adults. It doesn't mean that only young adults are expected to read it and that people in their 20s or 30s must omg keep away at all costs lest ye be lost forever to the void!!!."
Well said. Please do post the link to the review you have mentioned, I would love to read it.
Charlotte wrote: "http://motherhenna.tumblr.com/post/75...That's the review. I really enjoyed reading it since she touches on so many points that I agree with."
THANKS!
Charlotte wrote: "http://motherhenna.tumblr.com/post/75...
That's the review. I really enjoyed reading it since she touches on so many points that I agree with."
That is the best review ever.
That's the review. I really enjoyed reading it since she touches on so many points that I agree with."
That is the best review ever.
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It's not for everyone. It's good that it can help some people, but for me, it did..."
I'm not even sure what your point is. If there is a lot of hype over a book and everyone loves it, why would you not give it a try? The fact that the book was overhyped only added to my disappointment, it's not the reason I didn't like the book.