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[Lauren]

To be honest everyone has their own opinions on this novel and some people need to accept them, I'm not saying anyone is wrong in whatever they think of it because we're allowed to voice our opinion. Just there's a limit to what we can say. I personally love the book :)

[A]

Aly wrote: "Ayesha wrote: "Bruce is nothing but a big fat jerk!"

I lol'd so hard then, hahahaha."

I am so effing sick of his immature and brain cell burning comments. What a narrow minded idiot.

[Sammy]

I honestly don't see why everyone's arguing about this ... What is sooooo unacceptable about the fact some people will like/dislike a book that others like/dislike? I honestly don't understand why that concept is so hard for most people on this thread to understand.

[A]

Sammy wrote: "I honestly don't see why everyone's arguing about this ... What is sooooo unacceptable about the fact some people will like/dislike a book that others like/dislike? I honestly don't understand why ..."

Ask Bruce. He's a troll here.

[Olivia Tate]

THANK-YOU!

I was not a fan by any means of this book. If I had seen this at a library I wouldn't have picked it up, and not even the high reviews on GR is what provoked me to pick it up. ALL of my friends have read this and told me the book was fantastic, that it made them cry, and that John Green was a master. But I completely disagreed.

[Devon]

lol I dont like you. But i won't call you a cold hearted bitch

[A]

Devon wrote: "lol I dont like you. But i won't call you a cold hearted bitch"

Thanks for your kind comment!

[Cecilia]

Just because you guys didn't like the book doesn't mean that you can all just say all of these words and half of them aren't even about the book! All I'm trying to say is be respectful to those who do like the book!

[Cecilia]

Noah wrote: "@Aly
theres no threat obviously but if you dont see the beauty of this book than your crazy"
I believe that you meant "THEN" instead of "THAN"

[Cecilia]

Lets not say hate, how about strongly dislike.

[Noah]

i apologize @Cecilia

[Pardina]

I quite liked the book, but I do see your point on a couple of things. I guess I liked it because I didn't go in expecting some big revelation or life-changing moment, so I wasn't let down. I suppose if everyone and their mother raved to me about it and begged me to read it and wailed about how it would change the way I see the world, I'd be peeved too ^^;;;

[Emma]

Sophie wrote: "I loved this book! Even if it was heartbreaking, it was beautiful. None of you have the right to say bad things about the characters-they have freaking cancer, and are on death's doorstep. What. ..."

First of all, they are fictional characters, made up by some dude who does NOT have cancer. I have lost several loved ones to cancer. I have sat with them while they were wasting away to nothing, in agonizing pain. I have watched them suffer tremendous indignities as they lost their ability to do even the simplest things. I have seen them fight for air. I watched my uncle suffer unbearable pain, refusing the morphine that he so desperately needed, so he could insure that his will would not be contested, so his son would be taken care of. I have been smothered with the unbearable stench of dying flesh. I have felt deep fear and sadness as I listened to the "death rattle." I have seen people I love so dearly slowly slip away, until there was nothing left. And I have felt both the the deep sense of relief when they die from knowing that they will not have to suffer any longer, and subsequently the guilt for those feelings. I have felt the unbearable grief of watching someone I love die slowly and know that I can do nothing for them.

I find it really insulting that you insinuate that people who do not like this book are insensitive or uncaring to cancer patients. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. I find the fact that you claim that people with cancer should be exempt from criticism also extremely insulting to cancer patients. You are treating them like they are somehow sub-human, like they are unable to live up to "normal" people's standards. It's the whole "cancer perks" thing that Hazel and Augustus made fun of. So, if anyone missed the point of the novel, it was you.

[Emma]

Sophie wrote: "I have one more comment as I continue to flip through this thread...I'm serious when I think no one got the universal message. Lots of these comments are very unintelligent. Only a few have reaso..."

So if we didn't get the universal message, enlighten us. What was it that we didn't get, that made it so special for you?

[Cecilia]

@Aly all I'm saying is that sometimes you need to respect other peoples opinions too. My whole grade read this book and I have not heard 1 bad comment about it from them. In my opinion, it was a good book , not the best book ever but a lot better than some of the books out there. I think that you guys are

[Cecilia]

on this thread just to say rude things. @noah thank you

[Cecilia]

I really sound like a counselor right now

[Trace]

I guess this is for Aly, Ayesha, and Amanda, because these seem to be the most vocal here. I didn't like The Fault In Our Stars for several reasons and none of the positive reviews I've read has changed my mind. The parents and other adults are mostly two-dimensional with few exceptions. This is even worse in Green's Looking For Alaska, which I would one-star if I rated it. After reading these two books, I've given up on reading any more John Green Books.

While I do believe it's possible for a lot of the dialogue to be realistic within the setting, it becomes crazy and absurd when the adults and their dialogue are reduced to stick figures. There is no way Gus's parents would let him travel to Europe and not get treatment. Too false. And the letter ending the book was just a cop-out to me, my opinion. Plus, the fact that the story uses a fictitious form of cancer with a device of a treatment that doesn't cure but causes Hazel to live long enough for the story to finish, was just an easy way out that rings false if not insulting. There are some other issues for me, but these are some of the major ones in my opinion.

I also disagree with Bruce about taking a lot of brass to one-star a book. Although I didn't one-star TFIOS I came close. Just because a book may have few typos or grammar problems doesn't mean it can't stink. There are some books that could stand some cleaning up that also have good things going on that make it deserve a high star review. But that was Bruce's opinion and it doesn't bother me if he disagrees, especially when he also goes on to say he respects your opinion to not like TFIOS.

From the numbers I see on Goodreads, we who do not like TFIOS are outnumbered almost a hundred to one, which brings me to another point. Aly, you cheer and thank Charlotte for her point that there will always be people who dislike a book, yet Bruce, who obviously, and in my opinion wrongly, liked the book, said the same thing and you go after him. Also, you told people in the beginning that they better be able to handle your harsh opinions because that's the way it is, yet I see several instances in which you cannot seem to handle the opinions of others (Noah, of course, was way, way out of line.)

This thread is in a public forum and it is one of the few, if not the only one, that represents our side. I respectfully, and I mean that, say to you all that I don't think posting things like hoping for the demise of the movie version while calling others immature does our side proud, or calling John Green names on a personal level simply because he has his own opinions while calling others insulting reflects well.

As much as a lot of you seem to go after Bruce, his "demonstration" on what this thread would look like if it were only and all about us gathering to out-do each other on why we hate the book looked pretty accurate. Besides, it was in response to a cat-photo-posting which was hardly complimentary or mature on its own. I mean, it may be fun and feel good for a short while to agree and agree and agree to hate the book and our reasons why, but it's hardly enlightening.

Let me tell you, it gets pretty gag-inducing to read post after post loving the book on other threads. But it goes both ways for us, too. After all, Goodreads is a literary forum, to discuss and debate books. We who do not like or even hate this book should be able to handle disagreement from the other side and respond by examples from the book itself to defend our position. Actually, what Aly writes in her review of the book does pretty good at this at times, and it would be nice to have her show the lovers of the book examples here instead of a general reference at the beginning of her thread. But, of course, that's up to her. It's only my suggestion.

Anyway, it seems people get attacked here for being this or that, and I want to emphasize that everyone is entitled to their opinion on this book, as with all books. But Aly, Amanda, Ayesha, and others, people who are on my side with this book, who are big on this thread, I only ask that you consider that in launching the name-calling, personal attacks, inability to handle opinions from the other side, and wishes for ill will, it only kind of only looks like it's coming back at you like a mirror, as though you sometimes cannot see you're doing the same things that some (not all) TFIOS-lovers do, and sometimes worse. And I'm On Your Side!!!

I think our side can defend itself better than that, even if we're far out-numbered. It's a two-star book at best, and that's my opinion, no more, no less.

[Sammy]

I'm really sorry for saying this but this discussion has evolved into one of the most ridiculous arguments I've ever known of.
Here are some basic facts:
1) Not everyone is going to have the same opinion as you or everyone else.
2)Not everyone on the planet will enjoy the same things as each other.
And I'm afraid that if none of you who are arguing on this thread have learned that by now then you are all too stupid to be reading books anyway. I'm sorry if that's an offensive comment but that's just how it is. Look over your own comments and you'll understand why I'm saying this.
And I'm not just talking to the fans of the book on this thread who are acting like over protective neanderthals protecting a book like they're all in some kind of cult - I'm pretty sure if the author saw some of you saying the things that you're saying he would be ashamed of his book for turning people into such aggressive delinquents.
No, I'm also talking to the people who are arguing that they didn't like the book, yes I understand that this thread was initially only meant to attract those who didn't enjoy the book and now you are being mercilessly attacked by those who do like it. At first I was on your side and understood your points perfectly - that was until I saw some of you on other threads about this book attacking and questioning those who did like the book on threads that were meant to attract only fans of the book. Which is exactly what you are arguing they are doing to you...
Now please can you all stop this pathetic arguing and have a proper, intelligent discussion about a book like evolved human beings?
And just to add: this comment is only intended for those who are arguing on this thread not the ones who merely commented on it.

[A]

Noah wrote: "Ayesha wrote: "Devon wrote: "lol I dont like you. But i won't call you a cold hearted bitch"

Thanks for your kind comment!"

You who enjoy cursing and arguing over a book, let me tell you why I lo..."


Threatening me, huh? I'm gonna flag your comment. Bloody cyber bully.

[A]

Noah wrote: "@Aly
theres no threat obviously but if you dont see the beauty of this book than your crazy"

And we have another effing narrow minded troll!

[Trace]

Okay, Aly, take offense - but how do you respond? Bruce used the word "whiney" when he talked about the look inside thing, and the lot of brass thing to one-star a book. These may be wrong to say but they are so few and very pale compared to "our" side's language at times. Other than that, I don't see how the words he used that were insulting you or others. He attributed a quote to you that you didn't make and you corrected him. But that quotation was in fact made by someone on our side and it was extremely out of line, in my opinion, and none of us called her on it. I admit the cat-picture Ayesha posted was funny, but so was Bruce's response. Aly - as to Bruce, he could've said his opinions better, but whether he's anything close to those things you and others called him is a wrong thing to say based on that. And I believe if we call someone on something on the other side, we appear disingenuous if we say nothing in response to the bad things people on our side say. Maybe it's only natural to react or over-react to people who disagree with our opinion, and let the bad things said from people on our side slide, but it doesn't make it right or our responses any more mature. Look, I'm not afraid of insults and swearing, and we cannot create a perfect thread, especially in today's world. But we can try. I only suggest - just suggest - that you may want to call a halt to this conduct on both sides and, going forward, block or delete people who get out of line. I think you, as the starter of this thread, have the easy ability to do that. Who knows, even Bruce might apologize for brass and whiny - Bruce? (PS - Don;t get any ideas; I still don't like the book!)

[Trace]

@Sammy - very well said.

[Trace]

Aly / Ayesha - can you block / delete Noah from this thread?

[A]

Trace wrote: "Aly / Ayesha - can you block / delete Noah from this thread?"

I'm gonna block Noah and Cecilia. I've already blocked Bruce.

[A]

Sophie wrote: "I loved this book! Even if it was heartbreaking, it was beautiful. None of you have the right to say bad things about the characters-they have freaking cancer, and are on death's doorstep. What. ..."

You know what's sick? People like you treating TFIOS as sacred and thinking that criticising it is sacrilege. Ugh! You, Bruce, Noah and Cecilia should be given huge lessons on literary criticism. This is goodreads and people can voice their opinions and criticise any book. People make similar threads to criticise my favourite book but I don't poke my nose like you all and shove my opinions down anyone's throats and force them to digest it. Can't accept criticism of your favourite book? Then stay away from Goodreads. Also, Sophie, you have rated a book 1 star and I'm pretty sure that you will support a similar negative discussion of that book, then why are you suggesting me or anyone supporting me to be wrong to dislike and express our opinions on the book?

@ Aly, Charlotte, Emma, Lorenzo and everyone else who has supported me and commented against the trolls-

THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!

[[deleted user]]

You're welcome, Ayesha!
I'm a teenager, and neither I nor any of the other teenagers I know speak like Hazel and Augustus do.
Unrealistic dialogue can be a big turnoff for some people, like me.

[A]

Aly wrote: "...but he took the entire thread to a new low by insulting those who didn't like the book and insinuating they weren't intelligent.."

Yeah, that's why I got pissed off at Bruce too. I've blocked him, hope he won't be able to comment anymore.

[A]

Brooke wrote: "You're welcome, Ayesha!
I'm a teenager, and neither I nor any of the other teenagers I know speak like Hazel and Augustus do.
Unrealistic dialogue can be a big turnoff for some people, like me."

Honestly, the dialogues burned my eyes.

[Radu]

Ayesha wrote: "I happily bought the hardcover of The Fault in our stars back in December 2012 after seeing the high average GR ratings and raving reviews saying how beautiful, life-changing, thought-provoking and..."

What I don't see in your comment is a reason for all the hate. It's your right to dislike the book, but to call it out like this without at least giving us a reason seems really shallow

[Noah]

Look @Aly and everyone, i didnt mean any harm with what i said i was just jokeing and i apologize for how it was percieved i know as much as you do that we all have our own opinion. I hope you accept this. I encourage the starter of this thread to immediately delete this thread because it has done nothing but harm.

[Noah]

I hope you all can forgive me and renounce your hurtful callings such as troll. I didnt intend for anything but an opinion to be voiced. I think that deleting me is the very nonsence as to to why i post this now so i encourage a conceed. I have deleted my other posts that might offend and i encourage others to do the same.

[[deleted user]]

Noah wrote: "Look @Aly and everyone, i didnt mean any harm with what i said i was just jokeing and i apologize for how it was percieved i know as much as you do that we all have our own opinion. I hope you acce..."
You're crazy if you think she's going to do that.

[A]

@Aly

Well said!
I have major problems against the book not the people who like it. People criticise my favourite books (The Book Thief, Insurgent, The chaos walking trilogy etc.) I don't say anything to them when they express their hatred over those books. I made this thread so that I could discuss the book, not start a fight.

[Trace]

Hi, all. I have said my piece, as has Sammy, better than I. Since then the ugliness seems to have continued. I did not like TFIOS. I agree with Aly, Amanda, and Ayesha on that. Many of the people who love TFIOS leave comments of love that are gag-inducing but, you know, change the channel if you don't like the show. Since Sammy and I have posted what we recently posted, I've seen several people who I agree with about TFIOS say they have nothing against the people who do not like it, that they do not want to fight, that people can be immature and hurtful, that people who like TFIOS have been insulting / offensive which is what started the arguments on this thread - anyway, y'all can read this more recent stuff, these claims.

The starter of this thread made a list of people she intended to block, citing them as examples of these bad things, and bringing things down to a new low level. So - I wanted to see what was said, if anything, personal about people, any personal name-calling or personal attacks against commenters or personal attacks against the author BEFORE any of these named people, Sophie, Noah, Bruce, and Cecilia ever posted a thing. And, yes, reducing someone's opinion in support of the book as "fangirling" is personally dismissive of that person's opinions and a personal attack even if on the mild side.

My point has been, and I think Sammy's, too, that it's been bad on both sides. I mean, I was kinda looking for a thread that was receptive to my view, with people who did not like the book. This thread has left me disappointed by both sides and, yes, guys, I'll choose to leave it. For those of us who do not like TFIOS, I think it has embarrassed our side almost from the start independent of what the other side has said.

Guys, if you cannot look in the mirror and see the wrongs are very much shared here, then, yes, I'm leaving. I mean, if you're igniting the fire all on your own, don't blame the others if they throw more fuel on it.

Anyway - here is some of what I found on this thread BEFORE any of the specifically named offenders first posted: decide for yourself whether the high road was ever taken here. Good luck to all of you and, yes, the book, not John Green, still sucks.

Message 35 – “John Green is just so full of shit.”

Message 49 - I'm not saying that you've bad taste if you loved this book and I won't stop you from fangirling over it but please don't stop me from expressing my hatred. [This was in response to message 30 in which the commenter never said anything about even hinting about trying to stop anyone from expressing hatred. The poster was only defending her position on the dialogue of the main characters in response to the other’s hated of the dialogue without any demeaning or personal attack. It had stuck to the content of the book.]

Message 50: If this thread is hurting your fangirling feelings, please stay away from it. Thanks. [This was posted in response to message 33, I believe. And all that message had said was] – “ouch . yes , you have the right to your opinion .. yet don't you think it's a bit too harsh ? you see, i respect every , uh , hmm , decision , and i guess everyone should too. not everyone can please everybody , and i guess that goes the same for books.” [how is that mean or deserving of "fangirling?"]

Message 52 is – “Amanda wrote: "John Green is just so full of shit. And worse, it tries to pose like a great philosical jibjab, but it's just cheap and pretentious."
Aly wrote: "He's still considered a hero.
NO. JK Rowling is a hero. JRR Tolkien is a hero. YOU, sir, are not."
I AGREE!!! John Green is not only a shitty writer but he's also a shitty person and the following link proves that- http://dearauthor.com/news/friday-new...
Wth? Green suggested that readers are "wrong" when they hate a book! I refuse to see Green as a genius as everyone calls him. An author who denies the rights of readers to criticise any book is nothing but a nutcase to me.” [When I clicked on the link providing the proof, the only thing I found was this from Green: "Fascinating to see responses to Allegiant because I think many of the book's readers are just, like, wrong about what books are/should do." – and the following few tweets by Green expressed his opinions on what he thinks books should do. Where did John Green deny anybody's right to criticize a book? It was merely his opinion that many people have the wrong idea about what a book should do - his opinion.]

Message 54: I think my hatred for the book is also brought on by th fact that John Green is a prick. Sorry, but come on. And his personality (or lack thereof) reflects on his writing too. Which is why, in my review, I mentioned that Van Houten sounded exactly like I imagined John Green to be. A writer that doesn't care for his fans and spits on popular opinions shouldn't be a writer at all.

Well - if there are no personal attacks on people here, I'll change my review to 5 stars, even if I still don't like it.

[Emma]

Aly wrote: "@Trace: I have reasons for my comment about him being a prick. I had the pleasure of meeting him and he was an ass."

Really? If you don't mind sharing, I'm curious about what he did that gave you that impression?

[Emma]

@Aly That's funny, because that is exactly how his public persona seems to me. He comes across as an arrogant jerk who thinks everything he does and says is the most witty and clever thing in the world, and anyone who doesn't agree with him is an idiot. Honestly, he's just popular because being a “nerd” is “cool” now, which is kind of an oxymoron. And a lot of his fans are bullies, attacking anyone who does not agree that the man is God's gift to literature. And he seems to encourage this behavior, which is just sad since he says he was bullied in school. You would think he would want to stand up for those who do not adhere to popular opinion, rather than encouraging conformity.

[Emma]

Personally, I think the things he said in those tweets are a bunch of crap and does make him sound like a jerk. He's saying readers don't have the right to make up their own minds about what they are reading. In other words, he wants mindless readers who cater to an author's every whim and fancy. I don't adhere to the kind of thinking that says that authors are flawless and are always right and readers should agree or shut-up. I think readers not blindly liking something just because their fav author wrote it is a good thing. Otherwise, the best-selling list would be even more of a popularity contest than it already is and no one would bother to write good literature anymore.

[Jillian]

Your review made me laugh. I just got back from a short vacation, read the book on the bus, wasn't impressed, wrote a crap review as per my New Year's resolution, and when I read yours I was like, "Damn, should've just written, 'READ THIS. *link to yours*' as my entire review."

Trust me, I feel you on getting hate from the fangirls. I wrote a Breaking Dawn review that caused me to literally leave GoodReads for a while. I wrote it in 2008, I still get hate mail over it. The amount of times I was told to "die you f**kin b***h!" (with the asterisks, I might add) or I had no right to say anything bad about Stephenie Meyer...it was...well, I hadn't quite expected so much of it (I honestly didn't think anyone would read my review except my friends). You're handling it awesomely btw.

Keep reviewing!

[Amanda]

Emma wrote: "Personally, I think the things he said in those tweets are a bunch of crap and does make him sound like a jerk. He's saying readers don't have the right to make up their own minds about what they are reading. In other words, he wants mindless readers who cater to an author's every whim and fancy. I don't adhere to the kind of thinking that says that authors are flawless and are always right and readers should agree or shut-up. I think readers not blindly liking something just because their fav author wrote it is a good thing. Otherwise, the best-selling list would be even more of a popularity contest than it already is and no one would bother to write good literature anymore. "

Hallelluyah!

[Cecilia]

@ Aly : I'm sorry if I offended you. My grandpa just gotover 2 different types of cancer. All I'm asking is that we all respect each other and our opinions. CAN WE ALL JUST TRY TO GET ALONG WHETHER WE LIKETHE BOOK OR NOT!!!

[Jess]

I think people are getting confused. Don't hate the book because you don't like how the characters acted. Don't hate this book because you hate John Green and this this is an over promoted piece of crap. Those are not valid reasons to hate a book!! You can say "omg, I hated the character Hazel in John Greens book" you can say "wow, John Green made his characters so similar" you can say "what a sad/happy/heart warming/disgustingly cliché ending" but do not say you hate the book. Just think that MAYBE John Green made his characters practically the same for a reason.
Just think that MAYBE John Green wanted show that cancer patients aren't always wholly deserving of the praises and rewards they get."
just think that MAYBE John Green wanted us readers to talk so much about this book. It gives him more publicity because one hater says to another "wow, I wonder if this author has any other shit books" hater#1 googles John Green, finds other books, reads them to find out if they are good. tells someone else that they aren't. and voila! the cycle repeats which John Green garnering tons of reads of his novels. Tons of reviews. Becomes a 'household name' within the social media ranks of teenage girls.
Just think that John Green did it for a reason so don't hate the book, hate the characters actions, the plot, hate the way John Green is an attention whore. But don't say you hate the paper itself.
May I just remind you that you don't hate the words on the pages, they are made up of the same 26 letters as every other book. You hate what happens to the FICTIONAL characters in this FICTIONAL book with a FICTIONAL storyline.

[Emma]

Jess wrote: "But don't say you hate the paper itself. May I just remind you that you don't hate the words on the pages, they are made up of the same 26 letters as every other book."

What a bunch of utter nonsense!

"...don't hate the book, hate the characters actions, the plot, hate the way John Green is an attention whore. ... You hate what happens to the FICTIONAL characters in this FICTIONAL book with a FICTIONAL storyline."

In other words, we hate the book.

"Just think that MAYBE John Green made his characters practically the same for a reason."

Or maybe John Green's characters are exactly the same because he is a terrible author and is only capable of writing himself.

[A]

Emma wrote: "Personally, I think the things he said in those tweets are a bunch of crap and does make him sound like a jerk. He's saying readers don't have the right to make up their own minds about what they are reading. In other words, he wants mindless readers who cater to an author's every whim and fancy. I don't adhere to the kind of thinking that says that authors are flawless and are always right and readers should agree or shut-up. I think readers not blindly liking something just because their fav author wrote it is a good thing. Otherwise, the best-selling list would be even more of a popularity contest than it already is and no one would bother to write good literature anymore.
"

Aly wrote: "@Emma: He was very rude, patronising, and treated us all like we were nothing and he was God's gift. It was a really horrible experience that I would never like to repeat again."

You said it all! Thanks!!!
Honestly, I hate it when an author attacks readers just because they expressed their dislike for a book.

[A]

Jillian wrote: "Your review made me laugh. I just got back from a short vacation, read the book on the bus, wasn't impressed, wrote a crap review as per my New Year's resolution, and when I read yours I was like, ..."

Thanks! :) I'm sorry to hear that you're still getting trolls on your review.

[Jillian]

Ayesha wrote: Thanks! :) I'm sorry to hear that you're still getting trolls on your review.

I had so many flagging wasn't really doing anything. There are so many people who don't get the simple reality that not everyone likes the same stuff.

[Kate]

Jess wrote: "I think people are getting confused. Don't hate the book because you don't like how the characters acted. Don't hate this book because you hate John Green and this this is an over promoted piece of..."

I think you're confused. Any reason someone wants to hate a book is a valid reason. Who are you to determine if my like or dislike for a book is valid? It's my opinion. I am the only one who can determine whether it's valid or not. If I feel it's a valid reason, it is. This is not a science, there are no rules about why you can or cannot hate a book.

[Cecilia]

@Aly: I'm sorry

[Lily]

It didn't live up to what I wanted. It wasn't bad but John Green made me laugh more than cry.

[Andrea]

Sinceramente yo pienso que los chistes que hacen sobre la muerte etc. son por que ellos son personas que viven con cáncer y prefieren tomárselo un poco como a la ligera por que no quieren ser negativos o entrar en una depresión, cosa que puede pasar, y yo sinceramente lo entiendo por que lo que están pasando es muy duro para ellos y lo que no quieren es sufrir más de la cuenta y que las personas que les aman se preocupen más de lo que ya están.