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message 51: by Bhumi (new)

Bhumi | 524 comments I do not recommend The Scarlet Letter. Reading that book was...not fun.


message 52: by Rachel Erin (new)

Rachel Erin | 21 comments How about pairing Julius Caesar with another play like Frost/Nixon-you could even just watch the movie. They have some overlapping political themes-manipulation of language and power, political compromise etc. Comparing the two might make the unit more interesting and relate better the rest of the American lit you're reading.


message 53: by Brenda (last edited Jul 24, 2009 06:54AM) (new)

Brenda | 266 comments For boys:

The Chocolate War - Robert Cormier
What is the What - Dave Eggers
The Perks of Being a Wallflower - M. Chobsky
Special Topics in Calamity Physics
Surely You're Joking Mr. Feynman - Richard Feynman


message 54: by Jennifer (new)

Jennifer (JenJen1221) | 215 comments American Lit. was my favorite class in high school (but we take it as 11th graders in my district)...probably because my fave teacher of all time taught it...these are the books I read

The Catcher in the Rye (all my sibling and sibling-in-laws loved this book from high school and my favorite)
The Crucible(probably my second favorite from this course)
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn
The Great Gatsby





message 55: by Cynthia (last edited Jul 28, 2009 05:06AM) (new)

Cynthia (pandoraphoebesmom) | 1826 comments We did American Lit in 11th grade and I was in the honors class...some of the things I remember reading were...
Gone With The Wind which I loved, different works by Edgar Allen Poe, The Joy Luck Club which could be paired with the film which I always loved, The Great Gatsby, The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, The Scarlet Letter, To Kill a Mockingbird...more recently written that I would add is The Help.


message 56: by Jen (new)

Jen | 278 comments I love this discussion all the titles. Congrats on teaching the class! The list compiled is fantastic and you should be in great shape with it. Another one that I would like to suggest for boys (not sure if it qualifies for honors, but it's loved by both teens and adults) is Little Brother by Cory Doctorow.

Good luck and have fun with it!


message 57: by Carol (new)

Carol How about Carson McCullers The Heart Is A Lonely Hunter in conjuction with The Secret Lives Of Bees.Then compare the books ,ie how alike are they and how different. See what they come up with. It was also suggested to me how alike Wuthering Heights is to The Great Gatsby. Same story different eras.. You can have great discussions on these four books


message 58: by Shannon (new)

Shannon (sianin) Here are some suggestions that I didn't see listed already (although I love the idea of Hamlet and Rosencrantz and Gildenstern are dead).

The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay I think the boys would really get into this one.

And I don't know if you want to enter into any non-fiction but Touching the Void The True Story of One Man's Miraculous Survival is a pretty phenomenal book and may allow you to touch on some other aspects of writing. The suspense in it is crazy even though you know the guy lives because he wrote the book....

And I wonder if something by Neil Gaiman might be of interest.

I would love to suggest The Echo Maker A Novel but I think it is actually university level...

Let us know what you end up with. I am curious.


message 59: by Jensownzoo (new)

Jensownzoo | 338 comments One thing that one of my teachers did in honors english (but not sophomore year) was to provide a list of books with their descriptions. The class ranked the books in order of which ones they would most like to read. Then the teacher paired off 5 students based on their higher ranked book (but making sure that no two groups were reading the same book). The groups met in class for 20-30 minutes every other week to discuss the book for the first two months (the teacher provided discussion topics and guidance by circulating between groups), then the next two months the groups spent preparing presentation for the rest of the class (and any other visitors the teacher invited). We were encouraged to be creative in our presentations (some dressed up like the characters, there was a puppet show, etc.). It was a lot of fun and made that class very popular for that teacher.


message 60: by Carol (new)

Carol Carrie wrote: "Lori, I hope this is okay that I put this here. If not, tell me where to move it and I will!!

Guys, I am SO excited. I am teaching HONORS 10th grade English this fall! I have never taught an HON..."


So Carrie have you decided on a list yet?


Susanna - Censored by GoodReads (susannag) | 1736 comments Jensownzoo wrote: "One thing that one of my teachers did in honors english (but not sophomore year) was to provide a list of books with their descriptions. The class ranked the books in order of which ones they woul..."

That sounds like a really neat idea. Did it work well?


message 62: by Gorana (new)

Gorana | 98 comments In grade 10, we read The Bean Trees. I know i loved it :)


message 63: by Rachael (new)

Rachael (rprensner) I would suggest "Ender's Game" by Orson Scott Card. It's a sci-fi book but defies all negative stereotypes of the genre- it has tons of depth and lots of philosophical material. I just discovered it this year and it's a favorite. I've since given it to one of my friends for his Bday and he really liked it too (just happens he's a 10th grade boy).
This year in Lit class. We read "The Great Gatsby" and "My Antonia". Both we're wide-spread favorites. They made fantastic use of poetic language, deep characters, and were completely unpretentious.


message 64: by John (new)

John Burns 10th grade boys? I guess something like harry potter or His dark materials would be the obvious choice. I remember everyone in my year going crazy for the Harry potter books when i was in the 9th or 10th year.

If you want lit tht would specifically appeal to the male psychology:
The Postman Always Rings Twice
Ham on Rye A Novel
Ask the Dust
Catch-22
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
Fight Club A Novel
Lord of the Flies (i read this when i was in year 9 and was blown away)
I Am Legend


message 65: by Mari Anne (new)

Mari Anne | 35 comments How about some exciting memoir type books for the boys, i.e. Krakauer's "Into Thin Air" or "Into the Wild" or adventure books like "Three Cups of Tea" or "Shadow Divers". Maybe books with movie tie-ins, i.e. "The Hobbitt" and "The Lord of the Rings", "The Princess Bride", "The Bridge over the River Kwai" or the Ian Fleming James Bond books.

Stephen King's "The Stand" is a challeging end of the world book that might appeal particularly to boys. Or his "Green Mile" story, which I thought was particularly good.

War books are always a big draw for boys, "Black Hawk Down", "The Quiet American", "Band of Brothers" for example. I've heard good things about "Jarhead" and "The Lone Survivor".

I commend you for being diligent and doing your homework. I have always longly and loudly proclaimed (to anyone who would listen) that they always make you read such CRAP in school that it's a wonder anyone comes out wanting to read!

As a younger (and older) reader I have also greatly enjoyed Dumas' "Count of Monte Cristo" and wondered why noone ever seems to mention that book. That's one that might certainly appeal to boys!






message 66: by Annie (new)

Annie (smallbookblogger) | 46 comments my 10th grade class we read:

all quiet on the western front
lord of the flies
a tale of two cities
the 3 musketeers- dumas
malcolm x



message 67: by John (new)

John Burns Mari Anne wrote: "How about some exciting memoir type books for the boys, i.e. Krakauer's "Into Thin Air" or "Into the Wild" or adventure books like "Three Cups of Tea" or "Shadow Divers". Maybe books with movie ti..."

The stand? Lord of the rings? The count of monte cristo? You're suggesting she gets 10th graders to read books that are over 1000pp long? I think thats probably why people don't mention those books...

Might be worth taking a look at this list as a clue to what books would be better avoided:
http://www.goodreads.com/list/show/53...

I personally loved lord of the flies but i suppose most kids don't get it.

When i was at school i was in the top of the 5 english class divisions at an above average school and as far as i was aware i was the only kid there who actually read for pleasure, or who at least read anything other than just YA lit. Even in good classes, it's unlikely that 90% of kids will be able to appreciate the literary masterpieces theyre forced to read, which is the reason why fantastic books like the call of the wild and lord of the flies get such bizzarrely low scores on this site.

So probably best to keep your selections short, simple and trashy. They mostly aren't gonna get something like Animal Farm, so just get them to read some YA garbage like twilight or harry potter. They'll certainly appreciate it more.

Also, to some extent it's difficult to enjoy any book when you study it at school. I read both "of mice and men" and "animal farm" for my own enjoyment a couple of years before we read them in class and i enjoyed them both, but found them both to be very flat and tiresome when we came to study them in class. Being surrounded by students who didn't enjoy the books churning out cookie-cutter answers to stock exam questions really saps the joy out of any book.
The whole education system is designed to make kids pass exams regardless of whether those exams truly represent any meaningful understanding of their subject matter. English, in my experience, is the worst subject in this respect. Curriculums are designed to be entirely useless and to alienate children from every subject. You've got to be a really special teacher to make kids enjoy a subject under pressures like that.


message 68: by El (new)

El Killthepopular wrote: "Mari Anne wrote: "How about some exciting memoir type books for the boys, i.e. Krakauer's "Into Thin Air" or "Into the Wild" or adventure books like "Three Cups of Tea" or "Shadow Divers". Maybe b..."

Sure, instead of encouraging students to read, let's just continue to coddle them and agree that they're probably too dumb to understand basic literature. I find it very close-minded to believe that most students will not understand certain books. I've said it before and I'll say it again - it's the teacher's responsibility to make sure the student understands the material that is presented to them. There are multiple ways of doing this, whether through discussion, additional projects, etc. If the student does not understand Lord of the Flies at the end of the year, it's not the student's fault - it is the fault of the teacher. Liking a book is a different matter, but again it's also incredibly close-minded to assume that just because someone doesn't like a certain book that it must mean that they don't get it. I read and got Bukowski's Ham on Rye, but I certainly did not care for it.

The biggest reason that students are incapable of reading anything more than 100 pages in school is because society almost always tells them that they can't handle it. How is it that most students in my high school were able to read, comprehend and write a paper on The Fountainhead before graduation, yet you're saying most students can not even fathom the depth of Animal Farm?

Students have a hard enough time doing more than the bare minimum. Perhaps if they're encouraged to read more quality books and not told that they could not POSSIBLY understand Lord of the Flies or Animal Farm, or could not POSSIBLY figure out how to make it from one end of The Count of Monte Cristo to the another without neon lights showing the way they would manage to graduate with having a few decent books under their belt.


message 69: by Susanna - Censored by GoodReads (last edited Aug 25, 2009 09:45AM) (new)

Susanna - Censored by GoodReads (susannag) | 1736 comments If they can make it through the Harry Potters, they have no excuse that a book is "too long" to read, in my view.

Don't pick a book just because it's by a major author and short. Short/=easy-to-read, though many high school students think so. A good book is a good book; the length is pretty much irrelevant.


message 70: by Margaret (new)

Margaret | 3 comments My son read and liked Anthem in his gifted 10th grade English class.


message 71: by Wallace (new)

Wallace When I used to teach Middle School Social Studies, I would often try to use literature in a way that would open up the topics we were talking about with fresh eyes. I am wondering if Child 44 would be relevant not only because of what they will be learning in their History class (is 11th grade still US History?) concerning our government and why we, as a country, went the democratic route, but also to current events of today and understanding some of the problems that are continuing to happen around the world because of governments, repression, and opposing views.

Sorry... that was long winded.


message 72: by Mari Anne (new)

Mari Anne | 35 comments Personally I think the reason most kids don't like to read is because in school the assigned readings are sometimes confusing, overly literary (i.e. critically acclaimed but maybe not easily grasped by us peons), or just plain boring.

I think the biggest mistake made in school systems today is educators don't encourage kids to read what interests them... they REQUIRE them to read what is available/mandated. Reading is such a personal thing and definitely not something that can be so narrowly defined as what the school/education systems try to do. Just like there are "gateway" drugs there certainly can be "gateway" books (Harry Potter being a prime example); books that get reluctant readers to at least crack the cover and give it a chance. Most of the time that's half the battle!


message 73: by Carol (new)

Carol It might be interesting to see what books they come up with ,if you required them to pick one classics ,one contemporary,one 20th century etc. Make a list and have them vote. Hopefully they will all be excited about the list ,they have chosen


message 74: by Bucket (new)

Bucket | 44 comments I took British Literature in 10th grade and we read a few of The Canterbury Tales - some of them boys would be thrilled to read as they're extremely bawdy (up to and including fart jokes). I would recommend "The Miller's Tale" for this reason, and "The Knight's Tale" because it's the best of the tales, in my opinion!


message 75: by Shannon (new)

Shannon (sianin) Well, I am curious to see the final list and if Carrie decides to get small groups read different books and present... Fill us in Carrie.


message 76: by Donna (new)

Donna | 137 comments While I don't think the length of a book should eliminate a book from consideration I do think you have to remember that students have work for more than one class at the same time. 1000 pages of literature plus math, plus science, plus history, something has to give.


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