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message 1: by Nathan "N.R." (new)

Nathan "N.R." Gaddis (nathannrgaddis) | 95 comments We do have the luxury of having some information available to us about Young and her novel on the internets. Link that stuff here.


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Nathan "N.R." Gaddis (nathannrgaddis) | 95 comments A collection of Young photos ::

http://home.earthlink.net/~eichfr/pho...

I want to study booksbooksbooks with her! She must have been an a**-kicking prof. Actually, she does remind me of my best-lit=prof-ever prof.


message 3: by Nathan "N.R." (new)

Nathan "N.R." Gaddis (nathannrgaddis) | 95 comments Two other locations on goodreads where Miss MacIntosh has been discussed ::

The Brain Pain group ;;
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/group...

The BURIED Book Club (Young is a Founding Member) ;;
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

Both threads include some worth-while-perusing responses to the difficulties and frustrations of the text. Highly recommended reading, in fact, prior to securing your decision to take on this brick of prose-poetry.


message 4: by Nathan "N.R." (last edited Dec 07, 2013 09:03AM) (new)

Nathan "N.R." Gaddis (nathannrgaddis) | 95 comments Two pages of search results at Dalkey Archive ::
http://www.dalkeyarchive.com/?s=margu...

Specific attention to ::
"A Conversation with Marguerite Young By Ellen G. Friedman and Miriam Fuchs" ;; http://www.dalkeyarchive.com/a-conver...


message 5: by Nathan "N.R." (new)

Nathan "N.R." Gaddis (nathannrgaddis) | 95 comments Who is Marguerite Young?

http://home.earthlink.net/~eichfr/

Includes and outline of Miss MacIntosh.


message 6: by Nathan "N.R." (new)

Nathan "N.R." Gaddis (nathannrgaddis) | 95 comments An interview from The Paris Review (1977) by Charles E. Ruas :: http://www.theparisreview.org/intervi...


message 7: by Nathan "N.R." (new)

Nathan "N.R." Gaddis (nathannrgaddis) | 95 comments Young audio from 1966 ::
http://www.wnyc.org/story/207508-marg...

Also, news to me ; a novella was removed from Miss MacIntosh. Will it ever turn up again?


message 8: by Nathan "N.R." (new)

Nathan "N.R." Gaddis (nathannrgaddis) | 95 comments A memoir note about Young ::

"Love Song for an Author" by Michael Segers ::
http://www.peanut.org/mike/text/Margu...


message 9: by Fionnuala (new)

Fionnuala | 39 comments Thanks for stocking the library, Nathan. I've looked at some of the items and will come back when I've read more of the book itself.


message 10: by Ce Ce (last edited Feb 10, 2014 09:01AM) (new)

Ce Ce (cecebe) | 104 comments This link is mentioned in one of the above...but it is the reading of each chapter by an artist/actor in the 70's. Apparently there was a reading weekly on the radio for a year. And luckily for us it has been archived...

Only two chapters into my reading, but I've been reading the chapter...and then a second time following along with the audio. I realize that amounts to reading these two volumes twice, but so far it has seemed to work well. At least that is what I am telling myself. ;-)

http://artonair.org/series/marguerite...


message 11: by Nathan "N.R." (new)

Nathan "N.R." Gaddis (nathannrgaddis) | 95 comments Ce Ce wrote: "This link is mentioned in one of the above...but it is the reading of each chapter by an artist/actor in the 70's. Apparently there was a reading weekly on the radio for a year. And luckily for us ..."

Oh yes thank you for highlighting that one. I hadn't looked closely enough to see that ..... they read the entirety of Miss MacIntosh, My Darling. I'll just trot over to the editions thread and link it there too.


message 12: by Ce Ce (new)

Ce Ce (cecebe) | 104 comments Nathan "N.R." wrote: "Oh yes thank you for highlighting that one. I hadn't looked closely enough to see that ..... they read the entirety of Miss MacIntosh, My Darling. I'll just trot over to the editions thread and link it there too. "

I just checked in to artonair.org to read along with Ch 3 (after I had read Ch 3 on my own). The reading is an excerpt from Ch 3...the last 10 pages. I searched and found the next link is for Ch 6.

Sadly, Miss Mac is not read in its entirety in these links...but what is there is excellent.

Note: Ch 1 and Ch 2 readings are available


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Ce Ce (cecebe) | 104 comments Nathan "N.R." wrote: "Young audio from 1966 ::
http://www.wnyc.org/story/207508-marg... ..."


I was tempted to listen to the audio of Ms Young, but decided to exercise self-restraint and wait until I am finished reading "Miss Mac".

However I loved this...

"'All that I have told in this story is true, down to the last butterfly or flower,' claims Marguerite Young in this talk at a 1966 Books and Authors Luncheon.

The author of the just published Miss MacIntosh, My Darling then proceeds to evoke a parade of outlandish personalities and events, all centering upon the utopian communities of New Harmony, Indiana. Millennial cult leaders, visionary labor theorists, Samuel Taylor Coleridge, even the Emperor of Russia, all make appearances in very loose chronological and thematic order until Young suddenly breaks off. Apologizing that she had 'misunderstood the time,' she leaves a confused, if tantalized, audience."


Somewhere in my wandering the halls of the internet this morning I read her statement that women "pay the price" in utopian communities. True.


message 14: by Ce Ce (new)

Ce Ce (cecebe) | 104 comments Nathan "N.R." wrote: "Ce Ce wrote: "This link is mentioned in one of the above...but it is the reading of each chapter by an artist/actor in the 70's. Apparently there was a reading weekly on the radio for a year. And l..."

If I am understanding correctly, Miss Mac was read in its entirety...but only some of it has been "restored" for the AIR archives. I wonder if the un-restored readings are available anywhere.


message 15: by Ce Ce (new)

Ce Ce (cecebe) | 104 comments Marguerite Young - Princess of the Perpetual Mist



Wayne McEvilly: Profound heartfelt thanks to @Death Zen for sending this extraordinary image of America's Greatest Writer to me. Ah, Marguerite, your heart held the love of each and every fragment of each and every passing thing, encompassing oceanic vasts not yet discovered in galaxies not yet born, as well as every tender leaf and blade of grass, each and every toiling human being upon this our planet home. I thank you. I thank you. posted October 15, 2013

Edward Swift: I studied with Marguerite Young for 4 years at the New School. She changed my life. We remained friends for many years more. Sometimes we would sit in the Bleecker Playground and sing Scottish Ballads or Baptist hymns. She always told me, "Imagination creates the greatest of all realities." She opened up a world of possibilities for all her students. There has never been anyone like her in my life. To this day I have Miss MacIntosh My Darling on my bedside table and I continue to read it. I have included a long essay about her in my new book, Writing Under the Influence of..... edwardswift43@gmail.com posted March 29, 2014

http://waynemcevilly.blogspot.com/201...


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Ce Ce (cecebe) | 104 comments The Death Of Marguerite Young's Mother Brings A Sympathy Card

Wayne McEvilly:...on the long correspondence I had with Anais, when we talked of turning our letters into a book her biggest enthusiasm was that we bring attention to the genius of Marguerite Young, and most of all to the great novel published by Scribners in 1965. It was agreed that Marguerite was at the center of our book.

Going through the materials to prepare myself for the task of beginning this work, I came upon this extraordinary document: a Sympathy Card which Marguerite sent to me when her Mother died. The text reads:

"Dearest Wayne My beautiful little fairy tale mother is gone - suddenly - without warning - and I feel that now I must die.

Love,
Marguerite Young"

The re-reading of this and feeling the embossed silver letters "In Deepest Sympathy" evoke a profound sense of, not loss really, but of a poetic nostalgia for all dead loves and all remembered things because nothing of Marguerite will ever be lost, it being inscribed, as she would have said, on memory's whirling disc. All these years later, this stark cry acts as a talisman propelling me forward to define the very center of our book.



http://waynemcevilly.blogspot.com/201...


message 17: by Ce Ce (last edited Apr 01, 2014 10:40AM) (new)

Ce Ce (cecebe) | 104 comments Another memory of Marguerite Young by Michael Segers...

[Wayne McEvilly] asked Michael Segers to Remember Marguerite Young and he did - beautifully

a beautiful guest post by Michael Segers @msegers

The first night, as I sat in the classroom of the New School, I wondered what I had gotten myself in for. The hallways and classrooms were sterile, institutional, like so many classrooms in which I have tried to teach and tried to learn, but not at all like my Village. Once Marguerite entered, everything changed. Marguerite was even shorter than I am. But, she could fill a room just by being in it. She stood at the door, giving us a sweeping glance, then entered, and sat, not at the desk but on it, her feet dangling. Although I had seen her several times, this was my first chance to look at her closely.

...the rest of his lovely account at...
http://waynemcevilly.blogspot.com/201...


message 18: by Fionnuala (new)

Fionnuala | 39 comments Ce Ce wrote: "."Dearest Wayne My beautiful little fairy tale mother is gone - suddenly - without warning - and I feel that now I must die."

Thanks for this, Ce Ce. Very interesting accounts, and that inscription gives us a little insight into MY's actual life. Interesting that she describes her mother as 'fairy-tale'; Vera in Miss Mac is such a sleeping beauty figure.


message 19: by Ce Ce (new)

Ce Ce (cecebe) | 104 comments Incredibly, a sound recording of a conversation between Anais Nin and Marguerite Young...

http://anaisninblog.skybluepress.com/...

Here is the page the sound link is on...and the background of what Nin & Young are discussing...

http://anaisninblog.skybluepress.com/...


message 20: by Ce Ce (new)

Ce Ce (cecebe) | 104 comments Fionnuala wrote: "Thanks for this, Ce Ce. Very interesting accounts, and that inscription gives us a little insight into MY's actual life. Interesting that she describes her mother as 'fairy-tale'; Vera in Miss Mac is such a sleeping beauty figure."

It leaped off the screen at me. Such a gem...it seemed to me a lovely reverberating echo of the voice creating Miss Mac.

Very intriguing your characterization of Vera as a "sleeping beauty figure".


message 21: by Nathan "N.R." (new)

Nathan "N.R." Gaddis (nathannrgaddis) | 95 comments Archive Fever!

Should you find yourself in the Yale area, perhaps you'd like to visit the Marguerite Young Archive :: http://drs.library.yale.edu/HLTransfo...

"The Marguerite Young Papers document the work of writer Marguerite Young. The papers consist of personal and professional correspondence, drafts of writings, audiovisual material, notebooks, research files, printed material, photographs, artwork, realia, and financial papers spanning the years 1925 to 1999. The bulk of the collection consists of Young's drafts of writings, correspondence, and audiovisual material. Writings include autograph manuscript and typescript drafts, printed versions, notes, and notebooks of her writings, including Angel in the Forest: A Fairy Tale of Two Utopias; Miss Macintosh, My Darling; and Harp Song for a Radical: The Life and Times of Eugene Victor Debs. Correspondence includes letters from friends and colleagues regarding her professional and personal life. Audiovisual material consists of sound recordings and one unidentified film, including the 1974 to 1975 radio production of Miss Macintosh, My Darling read by various authors and actors for WBAI-FM Pacifica Radio. Other papers include photographs, clippings, financial papers, personal papers, personal effects, and realia."

If I understood correctly, there is contained in the archive somewhere the 400 page novella excised from MMMD.


message 22: by Nathan "N.R." (new)

Nathan "N.R." Gaddis (nathannrgaddis) | 95 comments A beautiful page over at bibliomanic ::

"Homage to Marguerite Young"
http://bibliomanic.com/marguerite-young/


message 23: by Jonathan (new)

Jonathan (nathandjoe) | 44 comments Oh that is just gorgeous. Look forward to reading it properly when I have time tomorrow. Nice to see more content from Bibliomaniac


message 24: by Jonathan (new)

Jonathan (nathandjoe) | 44 comments Biblomanic even...ugh, sorry, brain is mush


ReemK10 (Paper Pills) | 35 comments Miss MacIntosh, My Darling was read over a year-long period by Marguerite Young’s contemporaries from the New York City literature, music, and theater communities. All readings are underscored with soundscapes and music by artist Rob Wynne.Clocktower - Radio
http://clocktower.org/series/margueri...


message 26: by George (new)

George (georgesaliswriter) | 16 comments If anyone is looking for affordable copies of the Dalkey volumes of Miss Mac then here is your chance. I stumbled on this on eBay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Miss-MacInto...


ReemK10 (Paper Pills) | 35 comments Thanks George! Shared it!


message 28: by George (new)

George (georgesaliswriter) | 16 comments ReemK10 (Paper Pills) wrote: "Thanks George! Shared it!"

: )


ReemK10 (Paper Pills) | 35 comments Found a reader who bought the books! Thank you very much!!


ReemK10 (Paper Pills) | 35 comments Just a tip from a friend on Twitter. There is an entire chapter on Marguerite Young in
A Delicate Aggression: Savagery and Survival in the Iowa Writers' Workshop

By David O. Dowling. Reading a few pages available on Google Books!!


ReemK10 (Paper Pills) | 35 comments Under the tutelage of Gertrude Stein, she sat at her feet while working toward a master's degree!!!


ReemK10 (Paper Pills) | 35 comments Under the tutelage of Gertrude Stein, she sat at her feet while working toward a master's degree!!!


ReemK10 (Paper Pills) | 35 comments she had these dreams of Henry James encouraging her to write #MissMacIntoshMyDarling telling her go right ahead...go right ahead


ReemK10 (Paper Pills) | 35 comments telling her that she was the late 20th century of what he was doing! you have to read it!


message 35: by Jonathan (new)

Jonathan (nathandjoe) | 44 comments Thank you! Looks amazing - can't wait to read it


ReemK10 (Paper Pills) | 35 comments It's not a complete chapter but a lot of interesting info!


ReemK10 (Paper Pills) | 35 comments It's not a complete chapter but a lot of interesting info!


ReemK10 (Paper Pills) | 35 comments I know I'm late to the game of this group read, and you may already know this, but it is thrilling to be able to listen to Marguerite Young being interviewed!!
Charles Ruas Interviews Marguerite Young http://clocktower.org/radio/player/se...


ReemK10 (Paper Pills) | 35 comments Positing a theory that Marguerite Young used literary arabesque in writing #MissMacIntoshMyDarling...

If you follow a line in an arabesque, you will end up back at your starting point as the pattern continues endlessly. This means the arabesque does not have a definite beginning, middle or end.

What is the literary arabesque? - Future Research Masters
https://futureresearchmasters.com/art...

It is the nature of the arabesque that it should forever be
becoming; fulfilment or completion is always just beyond reach.


ReemK10 (Paper Pills) | 35 comments The arabesque is the oldest and most original form of the human imagination. It is an artfully organized confusion, a charming symmetry of contradictions, a wonderful perennial alteration of enthusiasm and irony.


ReemK10 (Paper Pills) | 35 comments Marguerite Young and Hugh Guiler discuss Anais Nin’s diary : The Official Anais Nin Blog
To hear the 11 minute conversation between Young and Guiler, click here.
http://anaisninblog.skybluepress.com/...


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