Is There Anything Wrong With Preferring A Person Of Another Race Over A Person of Your Own Race?

[Danielle The Book Huntress , Sees Love in All Colors]

Don't worry, Davina and Eugenia. I'm sure some enterprising fan will post it on the net soon. That's what I'm waiting for. I stopped collecting magazines because of the clutter issue. Most of it turns up online and you can save them on your computer that way. Yes I am equal opportunity when it comes to appreciating gorgeous men.

[Danielle The Book Huntress , Sees Love in All Colors]

Man, I missed it. I don't get to hear him with his British accent nearly enough. Who is Sherri Shepard?

[Danielle The Book Huntress , Sees Love in All Colors]

Oh, I know who you are talking about. I hope she doesn't think the earth is flat. If you look at the sky at a certain view you can see the curvature of the atmosphere. I'm serious about this.

[Davina]

Gatadelafuente (Danielle) wrote: "Oh, I know who you are talking about. I hope she doesn't think the earth is flat. If you look at the sky at a certain view you can see the curvature of the atmosphere. I'm serious about this."

Danielle, you're totally right. I've observed the same thing.

It boggles the that someone would think the earth was flat in these technologically advanced times.

[Danielle The Book Huntress , Sees Love in All Colors]

Eugenia wrote: "Gatadelafuente (Danielle) wrote: "Oh, I know who you are talking about. I hope she doesn't think the earth is flat. If you look at the sky at a certain view you can see the curvature of the atmos..."

Man I feel bad for some of the celebrities that aren't as intelligent. They are in the spotlight and get caught saying silly things. I've said some silly things so I can empathize. I am so glad I am not famous.

[new_user]

I think saying the earth is flat would probably top anything you could have said, Danielle. LOL.

[Davina]

The funny thing is these are women who are being promoted as the height of strong, independent, intelligent, post-feminist womanhood. Pathetic.

[Danielle The Book Huntress , Sees Love in All Colors]

I think I'm a little too scientifically-oriented to say that, but I can be pretty goofy at times.

[Danielle The Book Huntress , Sees Love in All Colors]

Davina my big issue is how promiscuity is proported to be something that any woman who is a feminist should embrace. That is a sore point with me. In today's society woman get famous for having wardrobe malfunctions and sex tapes. What happened to us?
You hear little about women who have invented life-saving inventions, discovered new solar systems, and other things. But Paris Hilton is famous for being promiscuous, silly, and rich.

[Davina]

Gatadelafuente (Danielle) wrote: "I think I'm a little too scientifically-oriented to say that, but I can be pretty goofy at times. "

Danielle, everyone can and probably will be a little goofy at one time or another. Remember what I said about talking with my foot in my mouth? I'm perhaps the queen of goofy. But c'mon. The earth is FLAT?!?!

[Danielle The Book Huntress , Sees Love in All Colors]

Davina wrote: "Gatadelafuente (Danielle) wrote: "I think I'm a little too scientifically-oriented to say that, but I can be pretty goofy at times. "

Danielle, everyone can and probably will be a little goofy a..."

Okay, good point. She's not living in the dark ages when people had no way to find out if the earth was round. I actually feel sad that people in our country are so poorly educated considering that we are one of the richest and most advanced nations in the world.

[Danielle The Book Huntress , Sees Love in All Colors]

Eugenia wrote: "We like celebrity, so it get promoted over anything else. I think I died when I figured out that dancing on pole was promoted as career option. You know I have nothing against women who strip, I've..."


I agree that women should treat other women well, but there are some women who don't respect themselves. That bothers me. I am not saying that all women should adhere to my values. Not at all, but I feel that women like Paris Hilton show no respect for themselves or their families. I don't have anything against strippers. I can imagine that choices led them in their direction. Hilton bothers me because she was born with a lot of advantages and has done nothing with them.

[Davina]

Gatadelafuente (Danielle) wrote: "Davina my big issue is how promiscuity is proported to be something that any woman who is a feminist should embrace. That is a sore point with me. In today's society woman get famous for having w..."

My friend, you've said it better than I could have put it. In many ways America has gone to the dogs.

In addition to our warped priorities, I have to say that I've had the fortunate opportunity to travel quite a bit and nowhere have I seen such rampant display of narcissism (sp? - geez my spelling is really off tonight) as here in America. Its sad. Really sad. Sometimes when I look at my two beautiful kids and the environment that they have to grow up in, I'm sorry we moved back. No where is perfect, but I can't believe the America that exists today is the same America I grew up in.

When I was a girl, we were taught that education and hard work were what will get us ahead, not our beauty and sexuality. If we place ourselves solely inside of that box, men will never take us seriously, but people like Paris certainly shot that notion to hell.

[Danielle The Book Huntress , Sees Love in All Colors]

Strippers probably learned to respect themselves even more before they are just meat in their profession. I don't care if you're porn actress or a street walker, you are still worthy. I wouldn't treat any woman bad because of what choices she was forced into. But for a woman to choose to disrespect herself, that saddens me.

Davina I agree that our society is way too focused on beauty. I try to do an internal audit when I feel I am being too shallow to look at men as just objects to admire or do I treat a pretty person better than an ugly person. I would hope I don't.

[Danielle The Book Huntress , Sees Love in All Colors]

I also agree with you about the way priorities have changed, Davina. I was raised to use the inner assets I was given, my strength of will, intelligence, heart, and determination to be successful. I really don't like the idea of getting ahead because of looks. Having good looks is really a genetic accident if you will. I believe what you are inside is much more important.

[Davina]

Eugenia, I get what you're saying but I think it is important to be respectful of all people, men and women a like.

I don't like setting aside women for special treatment.

We should do our best to respect the choices, beliefs whatever of every man and every woman.

Furthermore, men are also awful to each other. I work in a very male dominated field and to see how these guys operate is amazing. They're very brutal against each other, more than women are amongst themselves. Lots of women are more inclined to be empathetic toward other women, but men would often be more empathetic toward women than other men.

I've made no secret of the fact that I don't identify as a feminist. I'm 43 years old. I grew up right in the cruz of the movement, but I don't like what feminism has become. I don't like spoilt, entitled women who cry for equality but still expect to get special treatment because of their sex.

Being equal requires the maturity to know that you can't have your cake and eat it. Equality=responsibility. Can't deal with that then sit back and shut up.

[Davina]

I feel sorry for the women in developing countries, but in the western world I'm more inclined to feel sorry for the men more than the women.

Women, minorities and gays are protected groups and everything is done to make their lives easier. I have nothing against this.

What I don't like is the setting up of men to be everything that is evil. While a small minority of men are truly evil (the wife beaters, murderers, pedophiles, rapists etc) the vast majority of men aren't. Yet the majority continues to carry the burden of the minority, treated as if they're ethreal beings with no problems of their own.

But they require help too just like everyone else. Many are very disadvantaged in our society (highest suicide, highest delinquency, highest school drop out etc) yet there are little or no programmes in place to help them. People look at the few privileged men at the upper echelons of society and ignore the bulk at the bottom. Had it been women or minorities suffering these conditions something would have been done very quickly. I'm the mother of two sons so I hope you can understand why I'm so passionate about this.

I love women as well, and being one myself I want to see us rise to the top, but not at the expense of our boys and men.

And I do agree with you that feminism as we know it from the 60s, 70s and onwards was always the white female's journey. As a matter of fact I don't think it has ever discussed any of the issues unique to the black female's experience. But we certainly do like to talk as if it covers everybody.

[Danielle The Book Huntress , Sees Love in All Colors]

Eugenia wrote: "Gatadelafuente (Danielle) wrote: "Strippers probably learned to respect themselves even more before they are just meat in their profession. I don't care if you're porn actress or a street walker, y..."

I admire your honesty, Eugenia. Well I can't blame a person for what attracts them and I don't judge you, but I have tried very hard not to be shallow. I don't think I am in any way. As a person who got picked on and wasn't popular, it's not something that comes easy to me. To me it's what is behind a pretty face that makes it beautiful to me. To see an attractive person with no depth, it doesn't move me.

[Davina]

You're right, they're not woebegone victims and neither are women (not in the west). Women are certainly given more opportunities to succeed these days and are more protected under the law. Women have the right to equal treatment in everything, but are still able to bask in female privileges such as not having to take out the garbage, wanting one's husband to be a SAHD but not allowing him to do things his way, bringing home the bacon and having the right to gloat about it, write and or speak disparaghingly about men and get featured on Oprah, the female sentencing discount, indeed being able to commit murder and DV and get away with it, being entitled to half of a man's assets as well as the children, having the power to cut a man out of his children's lives without consequence, being able to get a man arrested based on one's word alone, having the option of not paying for a date, being able to be a career women but still require a rich man to "to take care of one", having one's life more valued than a man's (if a disaster occurs it is always the "women and the children" who are saved first), not having to work in some of the world's most dangerous and or filthy professions, not having to serve at the front lines of war and the list goes on. How many of these can a man do without consequence? Very few, if any.

These days if men enjoy any privileges it is the richest among the lot, not the average Joes who make up the vast majority of western population. There is absolutely nothing a man is entitled to that a woman isn't, but there's plenty a woman is entitled to that a man isn't.

And it's debatable exactly how much power men really hold. Men may hold macroeconomic power but microeconomic power belongs to women. Also the men who hold macroeconomic power tend to pander to women because they're a large voting block. Thus a lot of men are in power, but they do more for female advancement than male advancement. For eg: the white house recently opened an office for the "advancement of women and girls" or something to that effect. Fine, not a problem, but where is the office of advancement for men and boys when males are dropping out of school at alarming rates, not going to college, suffer from learning disabilities more so than girls, lost to drugs, suicide and or homicide etc and etc?

[Davina]

Eugenia wrote: "Davina wrote: "You're right, they're not woebegone victims and neither are women (not in the west). Women are certainly given more opportunities to succeed these days and are more protected under t..."

Eugenia, no offense (and really I do mean it, no offense) but for a lady who says she has a tough skin you seem to take a lot of what I say personally.

I wasn't attacking you or saying that your opinions are wrong. Not at all. You share you opinions and I share mine. You speak for the ladies and I speak for the men. I was not having an argument with you in ill faith.

I'm not a "right" fighter nor do I make any conscious decision to be one. I'm very much for human rights, women's and men's. I just like asking tough questions. It is the general consensus in society that men are uber privileged and are 10 times better off than women. But when I look around me and I see boys dropping out of school in droves and generally not prospering in life I have to wonder at what others are seeing that I don't.

That's what you're seeing when I ask these questions, not an attack on you or your beliefs. So please just calm down. I thought we'd gotten pass that stage and that we understood each other. Was I wrong then?

I think a lot of western women are so preoccupied thinking of themselves as woebegone victims that they can not begin to see how great they have it, and that in fact when compared to men on a whole they have it extremely better.

Mostly I'm just frustrated with spoilt, selfish, entitled women who feel the world owes them something. I have great respect for people who have a strong sense of personal responsibility. Of course I don't believe ALL women are like this, but many are (esp in America where narcissism has become a national disease ... not to say the men are any better btw). I think in order to see women's rights clearly we have to look at the whole picture. The world doesn't revolve around women alone thus women's rights must include an address of men's rights. Men these days are figureheads, puppets on a string controlled by women. Many of them are suffering, but society hides them behind a "all men are tough and capable of taking care of themselves" shield. Even if they are indeed tough and capable all human beings will need help every once in a while and so the same opportunities must exist for everybody. But just like men som 40, 50 years ago women today are reluctant to share their privileges.

Anyway, fine with me. Don't discuss it anymore if you don't want. Just don't think because I don't agree with you on everything I'm attacking you. There is no need to be so sensitive. You're among friends.

[new_user]

Davina wrote: "You're right, they're not woebegone victims and neither are women (not in the west)."

Neither are women in the East. Your Fox anchors deceive you.

[Arch , Mod]

Anderson Cooper plays for the other team? I don't watch his show, but I know who he is. A few weeks ago, I've heard Chelsa said she liked Anderson. She called him a silver fox.

I usually can tell when a man is into men. But, as I have said before, I know who Anderson is, and I don't watch his show.

[Davina]

new_user wrote: "Davina wrote: "You're right, they're not woebegone victims and neither are women (not in the west)."

Neither are women in the East. Your Fox anchors deceive you. "

Trust me, I know. I've lived in the East (my husband is an engineer in the oil industry), I take western news about the east with a healthy dose of salt. But that discussion is for another time and perhaps place.

[Davina]

I like Cooper's eyes, but he's too pretty for me to want to daydream about him. I like me some real MAAAAN. lol But he IS cute, though, very cute.

Same is true for John Mayer, he's cute but he's not my cuppa. Besides its clear he still has a lot of growing up to do.

[Davina]

dreamwild1985 (Maya) wrote: "andy does have nice eyes...once on a SNL skit, they had anderson cooper's character starting his show by saying "see the world's news reflected in the shimmering pools of my blue eyes" - or somethi..."

LOL, Maya, I was talking about Bradley Cooper's eyes, not Anderson's (I'm actually not quite sure who that is, I don't watch a lot of TV).

[Davina]

Ok ladies, I'm off for the day. It's already almost noon here. The weather is bad outside, raining cats and dogs at half an hour intervals, then sunshine. Hate it when its like that, but that's typical European weather for you and the hubby still wants to go out. I'll better go before the nagging starts (btw its so unfair that women are the only ones deemed to be colossal naggers). Check back in later. Hope everyone had a nice, restful sleep!

[Arch , Mod]

I'm not really a news person. When I was younger, I use to wonder why my grandmother would watch the news. I would only watch it, when we had to do a report that involved watching the news.

I may watch the news every once in a while, when something catches my eyes.

[Danielle The Book Huntress , Sees Love in All Colors]

dreamwild1985 (Maya) wrote: "smelling sauce - lmao!

and it is definitely easier to watch the news when anderson's cute self is reporting it but i don't watch it as regularly as i should. i go through swings where i'm all ab..."

I mentioned that Anderson Cooper was cute and my friend gave me a weird look. My sister thinks he's cute. I totally didn't know he was gay. I know his brother killed himself (don't ask how).

[Arch , Mod]

Gloria Vanderbilt is Anderson's mother? I didn't know that.

[Danielle The Book Huntress , Sees Love in All Colors]

I have heard they are pondering a genetic predisposition towards homosexuality. I found about his brother on Wikipedia. They have the most morbid articles on there. You can read all about famous people who killed themselves, any number of things. I have gotten myself really disturbed reading Wikipedia at times.

[Arch , Mod]

Wikipedia does have a lot of information about people.

[Sharon]

Eugenia wrote: "Let's hope so, I watched to BET Awards which I never watch and he was on presenting an award with Sherri Shepard, oh he's gorgeous and that accent it's rare you get to hear it but when you do, oh y..."

I am reading the words Sherri Shephard and I look up and she is on the TV lol funny..I am watching Guess Who

[Davina]

Too funny. I can't believe I said I didn't know who Anderson Cooper was and I live in NY!

I definitely know of him -- he does some Christmas thing in Times Square each year I believe. I just wasn't able to connect the name to the face.

He is a cutie and definitely rocking the white hair. Guess we can't have all of 'em, girls.

[Danielle The Book Huntress , Sees Love in All Colors]

Eugenia wrote: "Gatadelafuente (Danielle) wrote: "I have heard they are pondering a genetic predisposition towards homosexuality. I found about his brother on Wikipedia. They have the most morbid articles on ther..."

Usually there will be a notation at the top of the page if the information is questionable and not scholarly.

[Danielle The Book Huntress , Sees Love in All Colors]

I'd use them, but I'd look up the sources they used and try to find them. I use Wikipedia to do my folklore blog. It's right on track on folklore. I cross-check in my folklore reference books.

[Danielle The Book Huntress , Sees Love in All Colors]

I'm pretty odd, no question. Always have been a dreamer. It gets me in trouble sometimes. I'll have to send you a link to some of the entertainment blogs my friend told me about. They have all the latest gossip. D-Listed is one of them.

[Danielle The Book Huntress , Sees Love in All Colors]

I do get interested in that also. I find my eyes going to the tabloids at the checkout stands. LOL!