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In transit in Kuala Lumpur airport. I can't reply to your a answers Lauren, In the phone .they are really interesting and clever.
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ShoSho wrote: "In transit in Kuala Lumpur airport. I can't reply to your a answers Lauren, In the phone .they are really interesting and clever."Thanks!
In reply to some of yours:
#43. Yes, I also think that is exactly what she meant.
#47. Excellent catch! Seems to confirm the theory that having responsibility makes one of the little folk grow bigger.
Have a safe trip!
Lauren's answers to DQs for chapters 34-4356. I wonder if this is why he is called "The Gatekeeper"?
Maybe the White Council would see it as conflicting loyalties.
57. No idea
58. I think he was referring to Harry being the Winter Knight and Rashid's responsibility with the Outer Gates. I don't think he was a Warden - something tells me that this is a lifelong position...
59. This was a great conversation and really went a long way in showing that Harry is still himself and he has loyal friends and allies.
Loved the paperwork offer, lol!
60. Hmmm...still don't trust her. She could be in cahoots with Red Cap and the beating could have been to mislead Hary into trusting her.
Don't know why Cat Sith didn't appear - guess he was busy...
61. Yes, I think he is getting better at identifying them. Molly needs to realize that Harry is never going to act on any of those thoughts. He still sees her as his best friend's daughter.
62. So glad Mouse is back! I loved the whole shaking door scene, lol!
63. Haven't read this one but I found it interesting that his client wasn't on the up and up. Maybe this is an indication that Sarissa is not what she seems?
64. Not really - maybe I've read too many shifter books to be too impressed.
65. Seems like it is for tracking but it could turn out to be something more...poor Harry!
66. Being the Winter Knight has its perks!
67. The boats were a little bit obvious...
68. Thomas is right. Harry needs to seize the moment!
69. Good idea. Glad that he isn't falling for the damsel in distress routine with Sarissa.minreally hope Mac isn't a baddie. His character is so interesting!
70. Seems like he has. I just knew that Maeve was up to no good!
71. I’m also glad. This coat does fit him better. I think that Harry will have to do the reinforcing spells on it though.
72. First, Murphy is SO HOT! Lol! I love that she didn't leave him.
Wasn't expecting any of those developments but I do like the Erlking's character. No idea yet who is bending time - maybe the Outsiders?
73. OMG! About bloody time. I was beginning to think Harry would never kiss Murphy!
74. Aha! Another He Who although I was expecting the other one...
I was a little confused with Mab and the torture thing and was really glad it turned out to be an illusion. Yes, I also wonder what Mutphy saw ... Maybe it was Harry dying again?
75. Murphy is so kick-ass! I don't think it is Cat Sith - very strange that he didn't come when Harry called him...
Harry Dresden now has fire in one hand and ice in the other.
@ Lauren#56 – I would say definitely.
#58 – Lifelong!
#59 – Yes, JB’s sense of humor at work again.
#60 – This is what I thought.
#63 – Hmmm…
#64 – ShoSho wasn’t impressed either. Maybe I don’t read enough shapeshifter books. LOL!
#68 – He does!!
#69 – Yes, shows growth on Harry’s part, not falling for the damsel in distress.
#71 – He will definitely need more protection built into it.
#73 – LMBO!
#74 – ZOMG! Not again!?
#75 – Yes, ♥Murphy♥.
@Lisa Kay#64 - You need to get more shapeshifters beneath your belt ;0)
Just a quick reply to some of the questions coz' of got to take the dog for a walk (he's squeaking at me):#85. Absolutely did not see that one coming...shocker!
#92. Maybe Harry will discard the Winter Mantle next Halloween
#95. GOD! I hope not! No, no, no!
Lauren wrote: "@Lisa Kay#64 - You need to get more shapeshifters beneath your belt ;0)"
I do! LOL! I have
on my iPod/Touch ready to listen to this month... but I do need something else beside werewolves... and the Psy-Changling series.
Trying to play catch up...Discussion Questions for Chapters 18-25
26. Ack! Redcap and buddies on Jet Skis; for once Harry’s affect on technology pays off. LOL! But, Molly sleeping before Harry got to the Water Beetle and then again afterwards. Anything we need to worry about there?
LMBO - I guess any old mode of transport will do for the bad guys. Harry's effect on technology came in mighty handy there. I think the over-use of magic must have tired Molly out. I still think that something's going on with her and am still concerned over her relationship with Lea although I can't connect it yet.
27. BOOK QUOTE:
He snorted. “You mean, would I like to follow you around, wondering what the hell is going on because you won’t tell me everything, then get in a fight with something that is going to leave me in intensive care?”
“Uh-hun,” I said, nodding, “pretty much.”
“Yeah,” he said. “Okay.”
LOL! Love Thomas and Harry together.
Love the sibling interaction! Harry and Thomas make quite a pair.
28. Uh oh. Scary Lara Raith has been rejected by another man: Baron John Marcone. This has to have pissed her off. Still, she’s joined forces with him at the Brighter Future Society (AKA the Chicago Alliance) – against the Fomor (an ancient race of water-dwelling creatures). [Just getting my facts straight; seems like I need to read some of the short stories in-between the regular novels in this series.] Anyway, Lara wants into politics – and “total control.” That can’t be good, either. I think Harry needs to move her up his “To Do” list.
I agree. Lara spent too many years in the shadow of her father. Now she's front and center and will likely stop at nothing in order to get everything she wants. I think she may need to need to be moved up rather high on the "To Do" list.
29. Fix, the Summer Knight and Harry’s counterpart, has given Harry a deadline to get out of town: High Noon. (BTW, I had to look up Von Clausewitz; his magnum opus was On War.) I can’t say I blame Fix for no longer trusting Harry, despite Harry’s reassurances. What about Molly overhearing Harry & Thomas conversation? Does Harry have a choice? Comments.
As the Summer Knight, I think Fix had to play it the way he did. Even though Fix knew Harry (key word here is "knew"), Fix can't know now whether the mantle of the Winter Knight has changed Harry, so I think he's playing it safe by issuing the ultimatum.
30. Man-oh-man! Harry’s instructions to Cat Sith have to be very, very specific. What do you think? By swiping the doorman, was he playing ‘cat and mouse’ with Harry, or being the ‘perfect gentleman’?
Oh I think Cat Sith is definitely playing 'cat and mouse' with Harry, and we all know who the mouse is. However, Cath Sith is fae and has to follow Mab's instructions, but if there's wiggle room in Harry's instructions, any fae will use that to their advantage.
31. Could you guess from the “Doughnut Man” reference who Harry was meeting at Mac’s? What did you think of Harry’s conversation with Donar Vadderung (AKA Odin, the Allfather)? And his last cryptic comment? Does it make sense that Harry has to be the one to do it, since it is Harry’s island?
I was glad to here that Odin has faith that Harry can handle the situation. Harry has a bond with the island, therefore, this is his responsibility.
32. While I did enjoy Thomas clarifying to Molly that he wasn’t Harry’s ‘flunky’ but his ‘thug,’ what about that interesting observation of Thomas’ about Harry looking at Molly like she is ‘prey’? What of Harry’s feelings of possessiveness, lust, territoriality that all go with the mantel of the Winter Knight? Will he be able to control these? Thoughts.
It takes a predator to recognize another predator. It's not surprising that Thomas sees the predator in Harry, well maybe not so much Harry, but Harry the Winter Knight.
The mantle of the Winter Knight is really coming through in Harry; I just hope he can continue to control his thoughts and feelings. I can only imagine the internal control he has to draw on in order to maintain his ability to not act on them.
33. Sharkface (AKA “Spanky”) calls to Harry while he’s on Accorded Neutral Ground. That in itself seems suspicious. And all that mist? (Plus – ugh – no eyes!) What did you thing of the psychic assault and what was with Harry’s fist turning to ice?
The mist was definitely creepy. The physic assault even creepier. Harry's fist turning to ice - priceless. I actually thought is was a very cool benefit of being the Winter Knight.
34. Okay, so here’s what we know:
a) Sharkface is an Outsider.
b) There are more of these super-mega-überaliens (at least three).
c) Harry is clueless as to their motivation for plans of a jailbreak at the Well.
d) It knew Mac?
Any theories on all these?
I'm very curious about Mac. I hope that we find out more about him, maybe not in this book, but at some time in the future.
35. Harry meets with Lily, the Summer Lady, at the Botanic Gardens of Chicago and he once more starts challenging Lloyd Slate-like urges; he suppresses them, but Lily still notices. Here I’ll admit I’m really confused; why didn’t Lily detect the parasite in Harry’s brain? Is Harry’s different? Not a poison – a ‘spiritual malady’ or ‘mental plague’ – like what affected Victor Sells (Storm Front), Agent Denton (Fool Moon), and Leonid Kravos (Grave Peril)?
I thought that was strange too. If the parasite is as dangerous as we were previously led to believe, I would have thought that Lily would have been able to sense it.
36. Maeve shows up?! MAEVE shows up?! Yes, I’m incredulous. I don’t trust her AT ALL. Together she and Lily say that Mab is infected by this ‘contagion’ – remember, supposedly they can’t lie – and that Mab is set on destroying the mortal world! In addition, it all involves Harry’s island. Plus, Mab has spread this contagion to Lea, Harry’s godmother, during her imprisonment in Arctis Tor. Hmmm… What do you think?
Agreed! I don't trust her either. I don't know how's she's doing it, but Maeve has to be lying.
37. Then Ace shows up and clubs Harry. What a place to stop. (hide spoiler)]
"Oh boy, howdy," as Mel from the Virgin River series would say.
Lisa Kay wrote: "Lauren wrote: "@Lisa Kay#64 - You need to get more shapeshifters beneath your belt ;0)"
I do! LOL! I have
on my iPod/Touch ready to listen to this month... but I do..."Funny, I'm listening to
next. This series it different. First person narration but the heroine is not the same in all the books.
Harry & Thomas Fan Art:
What some people are posting for...
Dresden Files Casting-Thomas Raith
Matt Bomer
Thoughts?
Joann#29 – Totally agree with you.
#30 – LMBO! True.
#33 – Yes, definitely pretty cool (pun intended **hee hee**)
#37 – FOFLMBO!
Lauren wrote: "Funny, I'm listening to Stolen next. This series it different. First person narration but the heroine is not the same in all the books."Really? I didn't know that about the series. Very interesting.
Discussion Questions for Chapters 44-53 76. Do you think Cat Sith will be able to fight the “infection”?
If he is alive (I think he is) Mab will help him fight it! It seems if they catch it soon enough they can get rid of it.But I'm not sure if we'd see it in book .
77. Who summoned the Outsiders?
I want to say Maeve but that’s too easy. I’m guessing someone else probably a wizard summoned them
78. What do you think of Sharkface’s comment that Harry has always been a puppet? Also the fact that he wants Harry to stand aside?
The Outsider treatment of Harry is a bit weird . They could have killed a few times so far but they didn’t . They don’t want to kill him ,they want to have him on their side
79. Harry ends up naked again! Just like the early books. LOL! He’s right: It is a good thing that Mab trained him to fight naked. Still, do you know why dressing on Harry’s leg stayed and didn't vanish with the rest of his clothing?
I just kept picturing a tall naked man doing all those stuff and I loled a lot! Yes finally something good from Mab!
My theory is that it was bloody and Harry's blood is a part of island Orrr JB forgot about it ;)
80. Harry handed Fix, the Summer Knight, a powerful weapon. Do you think he can be trusted with the knowledge of the existence of Harry’s daughter?
Fix has always been a good guy but now he has lost all of his friends , he might do something rash .I hope he doesn't though.
81. What did you think of how Harry changed once he let Winter in? A full on predator with ice claws! Yikes!
Eepp , I didn’t like it , I hope he never does it again!
82. Speaking of predator – do you remember the movie by the same name, The Predator? When Arnold Schwarzenegger’s character, Dutch, applies mud to fool the Predator hunting him? JB does like his movie references. LOL!
really ?I've seen that movie but I can't remember that scene.
Thanks for the visual ;)
83. Now that we know Sarrisa is Mab’s daughter (and Maeve’s twin), could Redcap have killed her – without any consequences – at Harry’s birthday party?
I don’t think so , I’m thinking it was an empty threat. He wouldn’t have done it Mab would
have retaliated ,maybe not then and there but soon after
84. Murphy killed Maeve – not Harry. Is this going to cause her problems? Will Fix hold a grudge? Or is it going cause Harry problems because he didn’t do as Mab ordered?
I’m sure there are consequences this is not going pass easily. Harry didn't get off killing Aurora easily either
85. Were you as shocked as I was when Maeve killed Lily, the Summer Lady? Or did you see it coming?
Yes ,shocked !!! I didn’t see it coming at all! I'm curios about Titania'a reaction to what happened and Lily's death and Sarissa being the Summer Lady
86. Whoa. What does Molly’s new role mean for her? How will her parents react to the news? More important: Is Molly going to be another Maeve in a few years? Earlier in the book, Molly called Lea “Auntie.” (That didn't sound good to me.)
End of her life as she knows it!! Lily wasn't happy with being the summer lady ,I don't think molly would be either .If Bob said is right ,she's going to be another Maeve. Michael and charity will love her no matter what
The photo : I can't remember the different vision Harry saw in that soulgaze ,was the winter lady one of them? In this image it seems that it was .
87. What did you think of Mab and Harry’s discussion about power, influence, Harry’s mentoring of Molly? Well, Mab is right about one thing: Molly out of the reach of the White Council, right? Or were they much of a threat to her anymore?
I don't agree with Mab about Harry's mentoring at all!
88. An important thing the adversary, AKA Nemesis, seems to allow is for the fae to be able to lie. Lily wasn’t really detecting the contagion, and Mab says even the Gatekeeper’s methods for detection aren’t 100%. This can’t be good. Also, one theory is this mind infection could be controlling the members of the Black Council.
Meeeep
89. We now have the answer as to why Grimalkin spoke for Mab in Small Favor; she was grief-stricken over Maeve. We know that a lot happened way back at Bianca’s Masquerade Ball. Morgana’s Athame was given – or traded – to Lea; it was tainted. (As in Morgan le Fay.) No wonder people reread these books. Comments.
Yes I'm thinking when can I start again
90. Do you think Mab truly respects Harry now, or is that only because Demonreach is over his shoulder?
It seems that she does and it's not because of Demonreach
91. As she walks away, Mab reminds Harry she was once mortal, too. What is your guess? Was she a changeling like Sarissa, or a mortal wizard like Molly?
I think either a normal human or a mortal wizard
92. BOOK QUOTE: “Many, many mantles are worn—or discarded—on Halloween, wizard.” Comments? What about the meaning of that additional cryptic comment made by Kringle about masks and mantles, inferring no difference between them? Is this a flicker of hope that Harry and Molly may cast aside theirs mantles?
There were a lot about mantles and masks in this book.I'm thinking it's going to play a big part in the future books. Molly and Harry can't turn into another Maeve and slate ,what would be the point of story? I hope they can get rid of the mantles instead of resisting the change
93. Just a comment about what happened in the book: I think that, despite the insult Harry dealt the Erlking in Dead Beat, the Erlking Likes Harry. And Kringle likes him, too. (BTW: Kringle and Erlking are anagrams!) He tells Harry that his dart wound contained Hawthorn wood, which grows hot and “doesn't care for creatures of Winter.” But what about Harry seeing Vadderung’s “wolfish features” lurking inside Kringle? Here is what ShoSho found on the Internet about Odin and Santa:
During the Christianization of Germanic Europe, this figure may have absorbed elements of the god Odin, who was associated with the Germanic pagan midwinter event of Yule and led the Wild Hunt, a ghostly procession through the sky. Over time, traits of this character and the British folklore character Father Christmas merged to form the modern Santa Claus known today.
Very very interesting about them names being anagrams.I bet Jim Butcher put those names in there on purpose and he is going to use it to show us Odin , santa and Erlking are more related that meets the eyes!
94. What did Mac mean by, “I’m out”? And his wound regenerating? Is he an Outsider who made his home on Earth? If so, is it possible there are other Outsiders living on Earth – in hiding?
I thought of that too ,it is very likely . We’ve been told again and again that he is just a human but I don’t think he is . He healed fast . the outsider talked to him as if he knew him so it is very likely that he is an ex-outsider !
95. Should Karrin and Harry either “get it on” – or just forget about it!? Is it getting boring, frustrating, or are you enjoying it? Do you think JB is “preparing” the way for Harry and Molly to be together, now that she’s the Winter Lady?
It is getting boring and frustrating for me ! I think he is , if Harry hadn’t talked about sex and screaming with Karrin at the end ,I definitely would have said they won’t ever get together .There was the other conversation with Molly about their first time .JB has left possibilities for both relationships !
96. Apparently the parasite in Harry’s head is NOT the Nemesis, which is a relief. Still, what the hell is it? Could it be Lasciel? Hopefully, Harry will get it out in the next installment.
Yes I keep going back to Lash too. Well not Lash herself but something like her.
99. A Question from Gisela: The revelation of the war Mab is fighting on the Outer Walls opens up a new story arc. What do you think will happen next?
Very hard to predict . I'm sure Harry will visit with Rashid ,his being starborn will come into play more.We might finally get to know more about the outsider and white council will get involved
I posted my answers to last set question and the answers for the one to last set is on page 2.It's 4 am here and I've got a really bad cold and soar throat and can't sleep. Isn't that great?!
I love those fan arts
ShoSho#92 - Ditto!
#94 - I'm betting he's "He Who Walks Besides" - because Sharkface called him Walker in the pub.
#95 - Nah! It isn't bothering me. I kind of like it.
#96 - Yes, either her or something like her.
Feel better!
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