100 Days in Deadland
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Buddy read -- 100 Days in Deadland -- through part 1 (spoilers)



~Teresa~

~Teresa~

~Teresa~

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~Teresa~

I'm trying to "stay in the moment" but I am really dreading the thought of work tomorrow.
As much as I love the holidays, there is a sense of entitlement that some customers have which ruin the enjoyment for the remaining customers and the employees. I could elaborate more but this is not the place for such rants ..."
GOOD GOD!!! I sooooo feel you on this one! We'll get it done, slowly but surely. I think it'll be a quick read based on what I've read so far! Enjoy your days off, Tammy!

Never read it. Never really wanted to either.
I'm almost done with the first part of this book, and I'm enjoying it quite a bit. I'm finding it almost effortless to read. Some books can be almost a pain to slog through (e.g. Darlings of Decay).
I went to college at Iowa State University, just north of Des Moines a ways. And have a lot of relatives that own farms, in the Northwest corner of Iowa.
My mom sold off the last of her Iowa farm land last year. Even had a few big wind turbines on the property. I assume their "whoosh...whoosh...whoosh" would attract zombies (or be a white noise to cover other noises?). Hmmm. :)
I wonder how adaptable their collected energy would be to power a farm, versus a fuel-powered generator?

Many get put on non-productive land.
A farmer would be foolish to let them put it on land that was high-yielding and easy to harvest.
But, then again, maybe this particular farmer is getting paid by Uncle Sam to NOT plant crops as well. :)


So far, I'm happy with the characters that are developing, but Tammy always analyzes them more than I do. I'm not so good at reading between the lines on characters.

So far, I'm happy with the characters that are developing, but Tammy always analyzes..."
I think of Tammy as a deconstructionist. And she's good, too. I miss a lot of the stuff she picks up on.
***Anyway...about the book...I love it so far! I'm done with the first assignment. What do you guys think so far? I love Clutch so much; I think I have a Jenni style crush! I think its cool that he has taken Cash under his wing. Not sure how likely this scenario of a number cruncher randomly escaping a zed city with only her wits and a 'wet floor' sign to aid her. Blind luck has her run into an uber soldier who just so happens to have a farm and is a prepper. JACKPOT!!! I think I'll be done with this one way before our schedule; its really reeled me in!

Clutch is your classic guy with a soft heart that tries to look like he's bad ass. Something must have happened to make him withdraw from society. Broken heart, maybe? A "Dear John" letter from a sweetheart?
That was quite a scene at the end of LUST.

"Cash will be continuing her journey. Only this time, she'll have the seven deadly sins of Purgatory to deal with. No release date has been set yet as I'm still working out the high-level story, but you'll definitely see it in the first half of 2014."

I must be enjoying the book too much. I haven't highlighted a single one. :)

And I'm probably getting to used to British zombie books, where a phrase like that is common and acceptable. For example, something like:
"I've been in hospital"
I got schooled on colloquialisms recently. For example, I guess in Western Maryland, they sometimes omit the words "to be" so that "This needs to be painted" becomes "This needs painted" or "That needs fixed".
But I don't think they have a place in normal writing, since your audience should be wider than a region where the colloquialism would make sense.

I don't have a problem with that phrase at all. After they put down Alan as a zombie, they found a bite on his ankle. She was imagining it happening to her.

So, maybe a slight continuity issue, between calf and ankle?

......With my teeth clenched tight, I took a cautious step over the body, part of me afraid that it would twist around and bite me in the ankle, just like Alan had been. As soon as I cleare..."
Yeah, I would take the typos as colloquialisms, because, as Randy says "For example, I guess in Western Maryland, they sometimes omit the words "to be" so that "This needs to be painted" becomes "This needs painted" or "That needs fixed"." This is also accurate in Northern WV. We VERY often omit the to-be. But I like it. Twain was the first to use real American dialects, and I like it when a book's language reflects the area it is taking place. It would be nigh on impossible for me to not write how I talk...which is what editors are for, I guess. I think you are bothered more by the turns of phrase that actual typos, because I haven't seen a typo one, and I am usually a grammar Nazi (not to mention I've been paid to edit books! I hope I'd notice mistakes...).
Also, I do have to disagree about Cash being whinny and Jenni like...believe me, when you reach the end, you'll see she's FAR from weak! Has she cut her hair yet? I think that takes guts, in a small way. She takes Clutch's initiative to be ready, and really runs with it. I think she is very ready to be the sole hero of our book, for sure! She is doing great making decisions on her own. Also, I highlighted the passage where she meets Jase and she introduces herself as Cash because "Mia Ryan no longer existed. Who I'd been died four days ago during the outbreak." I think she's 'strengthening up' REALLY damn quick!

"Frowning, I noticed his pants had been ripped, and I nudged the material aside to see a jagged wound in the shape of a hum..."
Maybe it is just you, but even so, don't shy away from speaking your mind! Pffft...like you would anyway! ;-) I've had some serious difficulty getting into the 'voice' of other books; that may be the case here...

"Cash will be continuing her journey. Only this time, she..."
Yup! I already saw that one, and approached the author about a possible sneak-peek since I'm enjoying this one so much. I LOVE what she's doing with this series. It is so much better than the "Pride and Prejudice and Zombies" type stuff, that's for sure! (Although I DO have a soft spot for those style books, I just wouldn't consider them literary.)
I did ask the author how closely this was supposed to be based on the Inferno. Her response was 3-4 times per chapter. She also said she was going to try and list parallels on her website. (I saw "Book Group Questions" and thought YAY! Then I noticed spoilers...proceeding to move it now!) I noticed, at the very end of Lust, when Cash put the girl down, her clothes were mentioned as shifting in the wind. Actually, the words were "She was nearly naked, her skin sallow. The wind flapped the tatters of clothing left on her." (pg. 111) This REALLY reminded me of the lovers in the lustful ring of hell, caught in that tornado type deal, reaching for each other, but never being able to touch their lover again. Just the wind, and the blowing fabric brought that memory quite freshly to my head. Maybe its just me. Also, the first night, Clutch and Cash stare out of an upstairs bedroom window, and that reminds me when Dante is standing in Limbo, looking down on the people born before Jesus, the great minds he couldn't fathom could be in 'hell'...it didn't seem fair to him. There was like a zone the 'limbo' folks were caught in; this is equivalent to Clutch's yard at this point, for me at least.

Wow. I see him more as her role model. Not anywhere near a pet.
To me, it makes perfect sense that she wants to stay rather than be on her own. That means she has to make herself useful to Clutch.
That's why I was a little worried about the LUST section.
As it is, the changes and training she's doing would help her to survive, even if/when Clutch kick her out on her own.
In a short time, her transformation has somewhat mirrored Carol's from The Walking Dead.

Clutch states that the visit to the drug store will be the one and only time they go there.
1. Why?
2. And, if so, why not do multiple trips into the store while you're there, getting as much plunder as you can?
That scene just didn't make sense to me.

......With my teeth clenched tight, I took a cautious step over the body, part of me afraid that it would twist around and bite me in the ankle, just like Al..."
Yeah kinda...but more of a self-imposed strength. An inner strength. Jenni's 'strength' was more bitterness, really. Cash's is 'kickassery' and she knows she needs it if she wants to survive. She definitely toughens up pretty quick, in my opinion...
Oh, and Tammy...I think you have what's called a 'book hangover.' You just finished a book you said you LOVED, so now, nothing will seem to measure up! ;-)

Clutch states that the visit to the drug store will be the one and only time they go there.
1. Why?
2. And, if so, why not do multiple trips i..."
I agree...that was odd. I know it is dangerous being 'out there,' but they should have wiped the place COMPLETELY out. My impression was that they were afraid of looters and less than friendly 'breathers' (humans lol). Still, they coulda done a more thorough wiping out of the store! Seems to me that they totally skedaddled as soon as the female zombie (Laura?) showed up. I would have retraced once before leaving to make sure all bases were covered!
Randy wrote: "In a short time, her transformation has somewhat mirrored Carol's from The Walking Dead ..."
DITTO!!!

If the store hadn't been looted before, there should be no worries about other looters.
I like the idea of entering through the loading docks. It's usually at the back and secluded so people (or zombies) wouldn't see you there.
And it's where all the "big packages" will be. Easier to grab cases of things, rather than clear a shelf into a basket.
Teresa wrote: "Seems to me that they totally skedaddled as soon as the female zombie (Laura?) showed up."
It sounded to me like that was the plan even BEFORE the female zombie "dropped" in.

~Teresa~


I don't consider it a cliche, as I would expect it. Just as I would expect murders. Just as I would expect looting.
I'm actually glad that zombie stories don't have as many rape scenes as I would expect if a real zombie apocalypse would occur.

Independent? No.
Capable? No.
Berated by Clutch? Yes
Given commands by Clutch? Yes"
She doesn't WANT to be independent. She wants to stay. It's safer for her there, than on her own. But without a lot more training, she's a liability to Clutch. She could be independently dead, if that was her wish.
She may not be capable, but she did initiate actions to try and be so. Clutch jumped in to help that training.
Berated? Of course. So she killed one zombie with a wet floor sign. How else was she qualified? Or worth Clutch's supplies? How many soldiers do you think get berated during training? It's an inherent part of the ritual.
Given commands? Of course. Isn't she giving commands to Jase? Does that make him her pet? They've established an informal command structure.
I saw a lot of growth in her. She started out panicked and pleading. Now she's becoming capable of defending herself AND giving orders to those less qualified. I think she's learned a lot since page 1.
How much did Clutch need to learn?
"I knew Clutch stood at my back. I had a protector, something this girl had never had."
A simple fact. How many times would she have died without Clutch having been there?
When she is trained and capable, I expect her to be protecting Clutch's backside as well. Jase will have to learn as well.

How many rapes are there after say an earthquake? tsunami? Hurricane? Volcano eruptions?"
Who to report them to? Who would investigate them? What evidence would be collected? How could any be prosecuted? The "authorities" are a bit busy with other things.
Do Google searches on:
Katrina rape (e.g. "Katrina: "Rape, murder, beatings" in Astrodome")
Haiyan rape (e.g. "Haiyan survivors report rape, looting, starvation, brutality")
Haiti rape (e.g. "Rape flourishes in rubble of Haitian earthquake")
Tsunami rape (e.g. "Rapists, abusers prey on disaster victims - Asia tsunami")
Even:
Rape in the military (e.g. "An Epic Tragedy Enabled By Poor Governance")


And yes, I feel bad because I'm pretty much the one that set the schedule up, because with this half-wit I'm trying to work around, my schedule is a WRECK lately and I was worried about having time. Now, here it is, day one of discussion, and I'm a few pages from being done with the second reading assignment! I'm just going to keep plugging along and posting in the appropriate spots, because I've noticed that if I set the book down for a few days til its time to read again, I have to back-track. I'm just plowing along, and I figure I'll be done entirely by Tuesday or so. But I have a sneaking suspicion that you guys will end up reading ahead, too!

So no, you AREN'T the odd man out; Randy & I just seem to be enjoying the story a little more than you- which is why we do these buddy reads!!! I love and value your opinion!!! It oftentimes makes me look at things in a different way. So keep at it...speak your mind, lady!!! I DO have one little request...can you either message me a book or post one here that you feel has a strong female lead that isn't dependant on a man? It WOULD be a refreshing change of pace...
And about that author...WOW!! I wouldn't have even offered to take down the review for the first book! That's INSANE...it makes an author look petty to attack a bad review. I have an author friend on here, and the other day, one of his works got SLAMMED...and he promptly responded, telling the girl 'Thank you for the honest review...what do you think I can do to improve? What DIDN'T you like, specifically?' He was very professional about it, and i liked that he asked her specifically what she didn't like because the review was vaguer than vague! Anyway, I am REALLY interested in a zombie book recommendation from you that has earned your 5 stars! I wanna know what Tammy likes! I know what you DON'T like, but don't have a real grasp of what you ARE looking for in a good book. Anyways, hang in there...I am betting this next section will have you changing your mind.
~Teresa~

Gotta say, I find it curious that there aren't more rape scenes in zombie lit - when civilization crashes, many people resort to their base instincts - rape and looting are unfortunately a part of that. The scene at the end of the Lust circle was actually pretty tame.
Tammy - wow - reviews are personal opinions. I know you have no problems stating how you feel. When I write a book review on GR, I really write it for myself - to remind me what I liked or didn't like about it, etc. I've only done two read-for-reviews, and was actually very self-conscious writing those reviews. I agree with your indignation when the author contacted you to change your review. Not cool at all, in my opinion.

Before I started reading, I thought I might dislike the book, simply for the fact that the author styled it after "The Inferno." Seeing the structural parallels of both books sets my mind at ease - and makes it kind of cool. The different types of sinners in each of Dante's circles, and the matching parallel themes in "100 Days." I can dig that. Not too pretentious, not too over the top.
Can I say that I was more upset when Betsey the dog died than by anything else so far?

Clutch is Dante’s Virgil, the Roman poet who guides the author of “The Inferno” through the different circles of Hell. Here, Clutch guides our narrator Cash through the new, unknown landscape of a zombified world. He’s an ‘expert’ resident, if you will, because he’s a prepper. Limbo is that in-between place, where the non-Christian righteous reside, according to Dante. You’re just kinda stuck on the threshold, which bears the famous quote, “Abandon all hope…” I smiled to see Cash recall this quote as she is arriving to Clutch’s new domain. She knows the world has changed and this is a different landscape. Nothing will be the same.
Lust is lust. Giving in to the basic, animalistic urges for sex. Dante’s first circle is filled with sex sinners. The second chapter here ends with the rescue (well, a mercy killing, really) of a female sex slave. The common theme of sex frames the two stories together.

If we can 'zombify' "Alice in Wonderland," "Pride and Prejudice" and "Sherlock Holmes", why can't we zombify "The Inferno"? At least here, we don't have Virgil and Dante running around with zombies....
Say now, there's an idea for someone's book.... ;)
Gotcha on the cooking references - Clutch is a prepper, and I noticed that a lot of preppers seem to write books about cooking. I noted the detailed descriptions of Cash's steak cooking - top and bottom only but not the sides. I wonder if the author is a prepper as well?

Truthfully, I don't read fan reviews when I read a book - so I don't know if they promised gold on this one. (I've found that if I read something I don't like in a fan review, then I usually end up not finishing the book, which sucks!)
The cover page that promises "A Journey Through Dante's Inferno with a Shambling Twist..."
Well, this could be hyperbole on the author's part or it could be tongue-in-cheek. I sure haven't spotted anything of a farce in this so far...anyone else seen anything? But I do think it's too early in the book to pass final judgment.
Hey I tried to send you a recommendation on a necromancer book the other day but couldn't do it. I'll try to look up the title and put it in here.


That is just one example that I have had of an author behaving badly.
I could give you horror stories of being hunted down off amazon to goodreads and heckled by that authors fans.
I ki..."
WOW...just WOW to this whole post. Good lord! Now I know why you have your profile set to private! I am soooo sorry you have had to put up with that harassment. TOTALLY uncalled for and completely unprofessional. Every author I know would beg their fans not to harass another reader's review like that...
Netanella wrote: "Can I say that I was more upset when Betsey the dog died than by anything else so far? ..."
Oh!!! I forgot about that! Yes, that was too sad! :-(


"Dante’s situation is meant to represent that of the whole human race.
For this reason, Dante the character does not emerge as a particularly well-defined individual; although we know that he has committed a never-specified sin and that he participates in Florentine politics, we learn little about his life on Earth. His traits are very broad and universal: often sympathetic toward others, he nonetheless remains capable of anger; he weeps at the sight of the suffering souls but reacts with pleasure when one of his political enemies is torn to pieces....Dante fears danger but shows much courage: horrified by Hell, he nevertheless follows his guide, Virgil, through its gates. He also proves extremely emotional, as shown by his frequent fainting when he becomes overly frightened or moved."
***Also, both !00 Days and The Inferno begin on the eve of Good Friday, and both Dante and Cash are the same age in the story. Virgil gives Dante a glimpse at Beatrice, and I correlate this to Cash's call to her parents 'just to hear their voice on the machine.'
Here, this may help us: http://www.sparknotes.com/poetry/infe...
But it is explicitly stated that The Inferno is anti-climactic...after all, it IS part of the entire 'trilogy,' The Divine Comedy. I think what we are going to see are over-arching themes about humanity in general, ESPECIALLY in the face of tribulation. So I DO think this will be a 'personal' quest. We shall see!
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This buddy read has been broken up into four parts:
Part 1: Beginning, LIMBO, & LUST (113 pgs).
Part 2: HUNGER, GREED, & WRATH (116 pgs).
Part 3: ARROGANCE & VIOLENCE (86 pgs).
Part 4: MALICE & BETRAYAL, plus the afterword and end material (121 pgs)
The planned discussion schedule:
Part 1: Starting on November 16th.
Part 2: Starting on November 19th.
Part 3: Starting on November 22nd.
Part 4: Starting on November 25th.
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